the starting staff

They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a ballgame
(meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after 5+. If this
keeps up the bullpen will burn out.

"Huis Clos" <friggatroyd@friggatroyd.com> wrote in message
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> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
> staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a
> ballgame (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after
> 5+. If this keeps up the bullpen will burn out.



A lot of teams have that problem, especially early in the year.
I'm predicting a high scoring four game series vs the Tigers.





>

"Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Huis Clos" <friggatroyd@friggatroyd.com> wrote in message
> news:gsCNj.50$dq6.31@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
>> staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a
>> ballgame (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after
>> 5+. If this keeps up the bullpen will burn out.
>
>
>
> A lot of teams have that problem, especially early in the year.
> I'm predicting a high scoring four game series vs the Tigers.
>

The Tiggers (remember Tigger?) don't have quite the pitching staff they used
to, and I don't like their bullpen. The Jays have a good chance to take 3 of
4. These are really the kinds of series the Jays should feast on if they
hope to make the postseason.

"Huis Clos" <friggatroyd@friggatroyd.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Huis Clos" <friggatroyd@friggatroyd.com> wrote in message
>> news:gsCNj.50$dq6.31@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an
>>> into-the-middle-innings staff. None of them seems to have the capability
>>> to go deep into a ballgame (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight
>>> Litsch got pulled after 5+. If this keeps up the bullpen will burn out.
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot of teams have that problem, especially early in the year.
>> I'm predicting a high scoring four game series vs the Tigers.
>>
>
> The Tiggers (remember Tigger?) don't have quite the pitching staff they
> used to, and I don't like their bullpen. The Jays have a good chance to
> take 3 of 4. These are really the kinds of series the Jays should feast on
> if they hope to make the postseason.



....but, that Tigers' offense is going to win plenty of 11-9 games...




>
>

On Apr 17, 2:51*am, "Huis Clos" <friggatr...@friggatroyd.com> wrote:
> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
> staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a ballgame
> (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after 5+. If this
> keeps up the bullpen will burn out.

Gibbons doesn't have a clue how to manage relief pitchers. Once he
goes to the bullpen, he becomes a formula manager. changing pitchers,
even if they are pitching effectively, he changes them because they
throw with the wrong hand. He takes these match-ups to the extreme.
Not having enough middle relievers, or the not being willing to let
then pitch 2 or 3 innings, and having too many 1/3 or 2/3 of an inning
pitchers will burn out the bullpen. Sure the stats might support
pitcher/batter matchups sometimes, Gibbons thinks it might work
everytime. My guess, if the stat existed, it woud show that the more
pitchers used in a game increases the chance one of them will be cold
and blow the game

Chuck <barberphoto411@gmail.com> says:
>On Apr 17, 2:51*am, "Huis Clos" <friggatr...@friggatroyd.com> wrote:
>> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
>> staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a ballgame
>> (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after 5+. If this
>> keeps up the bullpen will burn out.

>Gibbons doesn't have a clue how to manage relief pitchers. Once he
>goes to the bullpen, he becomes a formula manager. changing pitchers,
>even if they are pitching effectively, he changes them because they
>throw with the wrong hand. He takes these match-ups to the extreme.

If he doesn't manage this way, he'll get blamed for the Jay's losses
by Ricciardi.

cordially, as always,

rm

"Chuck" <barberphoto411@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 17, 2:51 am, "Huis Clos" <friggatr...@friggatroyd.com> wrote:
> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
> staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a
> ballgame
> (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after 5+. If
> this
> keeps up the bullpen will burn out.

Gibbons doesn't have a clue how to manage relief pitchers. Once he
goes to the bullpen, he becomes a formula manager. changing pitchers,
even if they are pitching effectively, he changes them because they
throw with the wrong hand. He takes these match-ups to the extreme.
Not having enough middle relievers, or the not being willing to let
then pitch 2 or 3 innings, and having too many 1/3 or 2/3 of an inning
pitchers will burn out the bullpen. Sure the stats might support
pitcher/batter matchups sometimes, Gibbons thinks it might work
everytime. My guess, if the stat existed, it woud show that the more
pitchers used in a game increases the chance one of them will be cold
and blow the game

I think that last sentence is common sense.

On Apr 19, 2:02*am, Realto Margarino <r...@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> Chuck <barberphoto...@gmail.com> says:
>
> >On Apr 17, 2:51*am, "Huis Clos" <friggatr...@friggatroyd.com> wrote:
> >> They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
> >> staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a ballgame
> >> (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after 5+. Ifthis
> >> keeps up the bullpen will burn out.
> >Gibbons doesn't have a clue how to manage relief pitchers. Once he
> >goes to the bullpen, he becomes a formula manager. changing pitchers,
> >even if they are pitching effectively, he changes them because they
> >throw with the wrong hand. He takes these match-ups to the extreme.
>
> If he doesn't manage this way, he'll get blamed for the Jay's losses
> by Ricciardi.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

I think he'd get the blame regardless how he manages, when the team
loses.

On Apr 19, 8:03*am, "Huis Clos" <em...@skruud.com> wrote:
> "Chuck" <barberphoto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eed4bfa9-e327-4ead-a84b-31604e971bb9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 17, 2:51 am, "Huis Clos" <friggatr...@friggatroyd.com> wrote:
>
> > They're good, but except for Halladay, they're an into-the-middle-innings
> > staff. None of them seems to have the capability to go deep into a
> > ballgame
> > (meaning to the end of the 7th). Tonight Litsch got pulled after 5+. If
> > this
> > keeps up the bullpen will burn out.
>
> Gibbons doesn't have a clue how to manage relief pitchers. Once he
> goes to the bullpen, he becomes a formula manager. changing pitchers,
> even if they are pitching effectively, he changes them because they
> throw with the wrong hand. He takes these match-ups to the extreme.
> Not having enough middle relievers, or the not being willing to let
> then pitch 2 or 3 innings, and having too many 1/3 or 2/3 of an inning
> pitchers will burn out the bullpen. Sure the stats might support
> pitcher/batter matchups sometimes, Gibbons thinks it might work
> everytime. My guess, if the stat existed, it woud show that the more
> pitchers used in a game increases the chance one of them will be cold
> and blow the game
>
> I think that last sentence is common sense.

Managing that way would only make sense if he had a bullpen full of
stopper style relievers who challenge the hitter rather then finesse
the strike zone.