Baron to Portland?

If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
lineup.......

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> lineup.......

I doubt they would do that.
I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up young
talent for in a sign and trade.
They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old and he
does not fit the "culture".


--
Laurel T
"I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> > lineup.......
>
> I doubt they would do that.
> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up young
> talent for in a sign and trade.
> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old and he
> does not fit the "culture".
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
> Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
matter.

On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> > lineup.......
>
> I doubt they would do that.
> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up young
> talent for in a sign and trade.
> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old and he
> does not fit the "culture".
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
> Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
there, but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one. Did I
misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott. That
said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
>>> lineup.......
>>
>> I doubt they would do that.
>> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up
>> young talent for in a sign and trade.
>> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old
>> and he does not fit the "culture".
>>

>
> Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
> there,

Even with Mile's retirement last two years coming off the cap they are at
the escrow limit this year and likely over next year.
Then they have Raef's last year on his big contract which was part of the
price of the pick that turned into Roy, and Francis's buy-out ending. They
have other smaller ending contracts as RFAs next year so may be able to drop
2 max
contracts under the cap for '09.

If not traded Jack, Webster and Frye will be restricted FAs with 12.2 total
in qualifying offers.
The rest signed for 09-10 add up to 27.8 mil.

>but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.

He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
goes as planned...
He needs to go to a mature current top contender.

> Did I
> misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
> along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
> think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
> Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
> players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
> shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
> by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
> accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott.

Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market, they want
boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland because he was
going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and Nate, Allen and KP...


>That
> said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
> with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
> if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
> they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.
>

They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick if he had
waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to Roy as the lead
guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into a better role player by
developing his defense, and he has bought into it.
And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has to be
moved this summer.


--
Laurel T
The invention of basketball was not an
accident. It was developed to meet a
need. Those boys simply would not play
"Drop the Handkerchief"
James Naismith

On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> >>> lineup.......
>
> >> I doubt they would do that.
> >> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up
> >> young talent for in a sign and trade.
> >> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old
> >> and he does not fit the "culture".
>
> > Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
> > there,
>
> Even with Mile's retirement last two years coming off the cap they are at
> the escrow limit this year and likely over next year.
> Then they have Raef's last year on his big contract which was part of the
> price of the pick that turned into Roy, and Francis's buy-out ending. They
> have other smaller ending contracts as RFAs next year so may be able to drop
> 2 max
> contracts under the cap for '09.
>
> If not traded Jack, Webster and Frye will be restricted FAs with 12.2 total
> in qualifying offers.
> The rest signed for 09-10 add up to 27.8 mil.
>
> >but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> > a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
> goes as planned...
> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> > Did I
> > misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
> > along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
> > think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
> > Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
> > players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
> > shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
> > by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
> > accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott.
>
> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market, they want
> boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland because he was
> going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and Nate, Allen and KP...

That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
own...


>
> >That
> > said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
> > with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
> > if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
> > they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.
>
> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick if he had
> waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to Roy as the lead
> guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into a better role player by
> developing his defense, and he has bought into it.
> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has to be
> moved this summer.

No PG??? That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
a good fit..

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market,
>> they want boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
>> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland
>> because he was going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and
>> Nate, Allen and KP...
>
> That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
> wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
> he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
> own...

Whatever the reason your take makes even less sense. =)
You do not give up on a game early in the second quarter down about 16
and sit two starters the remainder of the game to rest them.
.....and at the time they were promoting Baron for the all-star game.

>>
>> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick
>> if he had waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to
>> Roy as the lead guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into
>> a better role player by developing his defense, and he has bought
>> into it.
>> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has
>> to be moved this summer.
>
> No PG??? >That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
> a good fit..

Thay have 4 now but certainly could use a better one if they are not going
to start Rudy.
Roy is also a PG. He runs the point in the fourth and Blake's role most of
the
game is bring the ball up and hand it to Roy.


--
Laurel T
"A good point guard and scorer should go
hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
Frank Layden

On May 1, 8:55 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market,
> >> they want boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
> >> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland
> >> because he was going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and
> >> Nate, Allen and KP...
>
> > That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
> > wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
> > he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
> > own...
>
> Whatever the reason your take makes even less sense. =)
> You do not give up on a game early in the second quarter down about 16
> and sit two starters the remainder of the game to rest them.
> ....and at the time they were promoting Baron for the all-star game.

They didn't sit him for the whole game. He got pulled, along with
most of the first unit, because they were on an extended roadie, and
they weren't performing well as a unit. The second unit played pretty
evenly so they got an extended look. Besides, that's Nellie mind
games, I don't understand how you pull one game out of an 82 game
schedule with a fantastic body of work and say "this guy doesn't fit
in". Is that how you advance your point? How about the times he
plays hurt, or has the flu and gets pumped with IVs all day so he can
play when they need him. Or his stellar off the court history with
extended charitable work in four cities (Charlotte, NO, LA, Oakland).
But in January Nellie sat him because Portland was kicking the shit
out of the Warriors, so he must not be the kind of guy that fits in
here. Unbelievable.



>
>
>
> >> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick
> >> if he had waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to
> >> Roy as the lead guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into
> >> a better role player by developing his defense, and he has bought
> >> into it.
> >> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has
> >> to be moved this summer.
>
> > No PG??? >That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
> > a good fit..
>
> Thay have 4 now but certainly could use a better one if they are not going
> to start Rudy.
> Roy is also a PG. He runs the point in the fourth and Blake's role most of
> the
> game is bring the ball up and hand it to Roy.

If Roy runs the point, then Rudy needs to be a good SG, and they also
need to keep Jack or get a speedy SG that can guard the Barbosa,
Ellis, Parker, Iverson types...Short of that, they're a pretty good
looking roster...


>
> --
> Laurel T
> "A good point guard and scorer should go
> hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
> Frank Layden

If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is actually one
of the good ones. My network is not that far removed from his and we
have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
the community and staying out of trouble..

Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 1, 8:55 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market,
>>>> they want boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
>>>> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland
>>>> because he was going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and
>>>> Nate, Allen and KP...
>>
>>> That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
>>> wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game),
>>> so he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on
>>> his own...
>>
>> Whatever the reason your take makes even less sense. =)
>> You do not give up on a game early in the second quarter down about
>> 16 and sit two starters the remainder of the game to rest them.
>> ....and at the time they were promoting Baron for the all-star game.
>
> They didn't sit him for the whole game.

Just half of it.... He averages 40 minutes he played 14.

> He got pulled, along with
> most of the first unit, because they were on an extended roadie,

They had played two at home on the 4th and 7th of Jan. and had a day off
before they played at Portland on the 9th.
Their next game was two days later at home against the grizz... can not tell
me that was any part of Davis playing 14 minutes

>and
> they weren't performing well as a unit.

No shit? That was my point. =) and where did Nellie apparently lay the
blame?
No defense, blazers had a 30 point quarter and Nellie sat Davis after 5
minutes and -13 of that.......
Warriors had a 17-8 run to start the 2nd, Davis came back in down by 7 half
way though the 2nd and they were -7 to be down 13 at the half. After half
time Davis played almost 2 minutes for another -8... and sat the rest of the
game.

>The second unit played pretty
> evenly so they got an extended look. Besides, that's Nellie mind
> games,

Lots of coaches sit players that are not playing defense...Nate often sat
Zach...did not work.

>I don't understand how you pull one game out of an 82 game
> schedule with a fantastic body of work and say "this guy doesn't fit
> in". Is that how you advance your point?

It was at the RG. You think it helped his perception in Portland?
The announcers talked about it, sportscenter talked about it...


> How about the times he
> plays hurt, or has the flu and gets pumped with IVs all day so he can
> play when they need him. Or his stellar off the court history with
> extended charitable work in four cities (Charlotte, NO, LA, Oakland).

Portland has players that do those things...'Sheed does all those things and
how did the portland media treat that?

> But in January Nellie sat him because Portland was kicking the shit
> out of the Warriors, so he must not be the kind of guy that fits in
> here. Unbelievable.

I was just saying his coaching problems seem to go past scott...mostly the
'does not fit in' is the long term for a guard at age 30.

>>
>>>> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick
>>>> if he had waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to
>>>> Roy as the lead guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster
>>>> into a better role player by developing his defense, and he has
>>>> bought into it.
>>>> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has
>>>> to be moved this summer.
>>
>>> No PG??? >That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would
>>> also be a good fit..
>>
>> Thay have 4 now but certainly could use a better one if they are not
>> going to start Rudy.
>> Roy is also a PG. He runs the point in the fourth and Blake's role
>> most of the
>> game is bring the ball up and hand it to Roy.
>
> If Roy runs the point, then Rudy needs to be a good SG, and they also
> need to keep Jack or get a speedy SG that can guard the Barbosa,
> Ellis, Parker, Iverson types...Short of that, they're a pretty good
> looking roster...

They also have Sergio...he does not guard anyone worth a damn.... which is
why he does not play...
I doubt they trade him though...he is part of getting Rudy to the NBA...


--
Laurel T
"Superstar- A player who hears what he
doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
-Unknown