Jones

Is there a way to just dump this guy.

What a waste of $, bench space, air

On Apr 21, 6:24 pm, "Amish" <Am...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there a way to just dump this guy.
>
> What a waste of $, bench space, air

That would require ned and mccourt to admit they don't have a clue of
how to build a winning team. Somehow I don't think they'll be doing
that anytime soon. : ^(

I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process with
all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be playing
in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
ingredients will all come together.

On 4/23/08 12:06 PM, in article
[email]4d984530-5193-4524-8d5a-1605fbc2dc70@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com[/email], "Mike De
Leon" <lazlo98@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 6:24 pm, "Amish" <Am...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Is there a way to just dump this guy.
>>
>> What a waste of $, bench space, air
>
> That would require ned and mccourt to admit they don't have a clue of
> how to build a winning team. Somehow I don't think they'll be doing
> that anytime soon. : ^(

"David Fishman" <David0270@charter.net> wrote in message
news:C4351337.100A6%David0270@charter.net...
>I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process with
> all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be playing
> in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
> ingredients will all come together.
>
I Agree. It's going to take some time to change the culture of this
clubhouse. There's a reason that some franchises remain losers for decades
and it has a lot to do with the attitude on that bench and in that
clubhouse. You don't change that overnight. Add to that you have a bunch of
young players adjusting to a new manager and a new manager adjusting to an
environment almost the opposite of what he had in NY and it's understandable
that they're playing out of synch right now. Torre is a good manager and
will have no interference from McCourt who had no street cred at all. It may
not even come together this season, but I'm confident it will eventually.
Having said that, I reserve the right to complain:-)

S.





> On 4/23/08 12:06 PM, in article
> [email]4d984530-5193-4524-8d5a-1605fbc2dc70@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com[/email], "Mike
> De
> Leon" <lazlo98@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 21, 6:24 pm, "Amish" <Am...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a way to just dump this guy.
>>>
>>> What a waste of $, bench space, air
>>
>> That would require ned and mccourt to admit they don't have a clue of
>> how to build a winning team. Somehow I don't think they'll be doing
>> that anytime soon. : ^(

"David Fishman" <David0270@charter.net> wrote in message
news:C4351337.100A6%David0270@charter.net...
>I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process with
> all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be playing
> in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
> ingredients will all come together.

If he had worked a little harder in the off season he might not have "lost"
his swing. I think he is just having trouble seeing the ball over the belly

"Sam Culotta" <culotta_art@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hTPPj.5963$Ux4.4958@trnddc07...
>
> "David Fishman" <David0270@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:C4351337.100A6%David0270@charter.net...
>>I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process with
>> all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be
>> playing
>> in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
>> ingredients will all come together.
>>
> I Agree. It's going to take some time to change the culture of this
> clubhouse. There's a reason that some franchises remain losers for decades
> and it has a lot to do with the attitude on that bench and in that
> clubhouse. You don't change that overnight. Add to that you have a bunch
> of young players adjusting to a new manager and a new manager adjusting to
> an environment almost the opposite of what he had in NY and it's
> understandable that they're playing out of synch right now. Torre is a
> good manager and will have no interference from McCourt who had no street
> cred at all. It may not even come together this season, but I'm confident
> it will eventually.
> Having said that, I reserve the right to complain:-)
>
> S.

Well, I sort of agree. But it is also a continuing built-in excuse. We
changed managers, so everyone has to get used to him. We changed the
players, so we need to evaluate them, oops we changed managers again, give
him some time, oops we changed this...

It is a PR game. When a team wants to win, they stick with whom they got and
build. Alston 25 years, LaSorda 20 +? years etc. When you don't want to win,
you make massive changes and call it rebuilding. But if you make excuses and
call it rebuilding, you folks fork over the money. If they told you the
truth, that they don't want to win and are just making a buck, you wouldn't
give them your money.

And before you say it, I stopped. I no longer own a TV, I didn't buy access
the Dodgers via the net. I only listen on radio.

On Apr 23, 4:24 pm, David Fishman <David0...@charter.net> wrote:
> I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process with
> all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be playing
> in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
> ingredients will all come together.

Rebuilding?!? How do you figure, Kemp was starting in RF last year
untill he got hurt. Granted Ethier wasn't starting, at the start of
the season but did start in RF after Kemp went down after running into
the RF scoreboard and then platooned with him when he came back. Loney
was brought up 2-3 weeks after he asked for a trade and started at
first and Marting started the whole way behind the plate. With the
exception of JP, AJ and Gonzo, it's essentially the same team. So why
did they do so much better last year than this? I'm willing to give
torre some time but if the DBacks continue their hot streak regardless
of how hot the Dodgers get they'll be out of it. Too, I don't think
torre is really all that as far as a manager, he failed at his 3 other
stints as an NL manager. Then we've got another idiotic signing in AJ
that's almost as bad as the JP signing, granted if the rest were
swinging the bat with any consistantsy it wouldn't matter and he could
hit 8th. They're playing terribly but it's not because it's a re-
building year.

>
> On 4/23/08 12:06 PM, in article
> 4d984530-5193-4524-8d5a-1605fbc2d...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Mike De
>
> Leon" <lazl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 6:24 pm, "Amish" <Am...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Is there a way to just dump this guy.
>
> >> What a waste of $, bench space, air
>
> > That would require ned and mccourt to admit they don't have a clue of
> > how to build a winning team. Somehow I don't think they'll be doing
> > that anytime soon. : ^(

"Mike De Leon" <lazlo98@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b0af5a45-f767-438b-be3b-0d11a3c05442@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 23, 4:24 pm, David Fishman <David0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process
>> with
>> all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be
>> playing
>> in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
>> ingredients will all come together.
>
> Rebuilding?!? How do you figure, Kemp was starting in RF last year
> untill he got hurt. Granted Ethier wasn't starting, at the start of
> the season but did start in RF after Kemp went down after running into
> the RF scoreboard and then platooned with him when he came back. Loney
> was brought up 2-3 weeks after he asked for a trade and started at
> first and Marting started the whole way behind the plate. With the
> exception of JP, AJ and Gonzo, it's essentially the same team. So why
> did they do so much better last year than this? I'm willing to give
> torre some time but if the DBacks continue their hot streak regardless
> of how hot the Dodgers get they'll be out of it. Too, I don't think
> torre is really all that as far as a manager, he failed at his 3 other
> stints as an NL manager. Then we've got another idiotic signing in AJ
> that's almost as bad as the JP signing, granted if the rest were
> swinging the bat with any consistantsy it wouldn't matter and he could
> hit 8th. They're playing terribly but it's not because it's a re-
> building year.

First off...I still haven't found any source on the net that says Looney
asked for a trade....and I have searched. You would think something like
that would have been reported. I don't know why your so stuck on the idea
that he did even though your only source is you think Ima said something
like that last year.
Secondly...which JP are you talking about? Juan Pierre was on the team last
year and wouldn't be an "exception". Third base is new, or was until Nomar
came back. The team is basically the same team except for AJ who does suck
big time.

AG

Well the Dodgers seem to have the market cornered on overweight non-
producers.

On Apr 24, 6:43 am, "AguaGirl" <some...@somewhere.net> wrote:
> "Mike De Leon" <lazl...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:b0af5a45-f767-438b-be3b-0d11a3c05442@t63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 4:24 pm, David Fishman <David0...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> I think Joe Torre and his staff need time. It's a rebuilding process
> >> with
> >> all of these young players and also Nomar and Jeff Kent may not be
> >> playing
> >> in '09. Andruw is also working hard to find his swing. Hopefully the
> >> ingredients will all come together.
>
> > Rebuilding?!? How do you figure, Kemp was starting in RF last year
> > untill he got hurt. Granted Ethier wasn't starting, at the start of
> > the season but did start in RF after Kemp went down after running into
> > the RF scoreboard and then platooned with him when he came back. Loney
> > was brought up 2-3 weeks after he asked for a trade and started at
> > first and Marting started the whole way behind the plate. With the
> > exception of JP, AJ and Gonzo, it's essentially the same team. So why
> > did they do so much better last year than this? I'm willing to give
> > torre some time but if the DBacks continue their hot streak regardless
> > of how hot the Dodgers get they'll be out of it. Too, I don't think
> > torre is really all that as far as a manager, he failed at his 3 other
> > stints as an NL manager. Then we've got another idiotic signing in AJ
> > that's almost as bad as the JP signing, granted if the rest were
> > swinging the bat with any consistantsy it wouldn't matter and he could
> > hit 8th. They're playing terribly but it's not because it's a re-
> > building year.
>
> First off...I still haven't found any source on the net that says Looney
> asked for a trade....and I have searched. You would think something like
> that would have been reported. I don't know why your so stuck on the idea
> that he did even though your only source is you think Ima said something
> like that last year.

Not looking in the right place. Too, it wasn't widely reported after
all Loney at the time was in the minors and it's not big news, except
to die hard fans who follow the minors league and know what he's been
doing. Too I already posted where I saw it, look at 'Ethier or Jones',
and said he requested the trade around the 5th of April but here's
another source, as you can see it wasposted on the 6th.

[url]http://umpbump.com/press/how-soon-is-too-soon/[/url]

Now frustrated with his inability to make the team, Loney has asked
to be traded. This whole thing is just like what happened with Ryan
Howard, who tore up the minor leagues for a couple of years before the
Phillies finally gave him a chance to play everyday. He was pissed
with the Phils for continually failing to put him on the major league
squad and asked to be traded.

Happy Now?

> Secondly...which JP are you talking about? Juan Pierre was on the team last
> year and wouldn't be an "exception". Third base is new, or was until Nomar
> came back. The team is basically the same team except for AJ who does suck
> big time.

JP was a starter last year, this year he's been replaced by AJ.
Haven't you noticed? ; ^) So with that exception and Dewitt starting
at 3B and AJ in CF it's the same team, the only thing that has changed
is on field management. So what re-building?

>
> AG