There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for the
sake of change.
For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
ball tradition to an end.

Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
professional team sports...

First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
thrown pitch or play ball.

Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a probation
period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties including
game forfeiture.

However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved in
a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.

Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated score
is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...

a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides with
a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the over
aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
penalties.

IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the issue
and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
credibility to the game.

And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling balls
and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly the
way the rule book states.

On Oct 12, 10:08 pm, "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote:
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly the
> way the rule book states.

dude,switch to decaf .

"Judge Dread" <dred@hell.net> wrote in message news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> the
> way the rule book states.
>
>
>

This rule is way too complicated. If a batter is hit intentionally by a
pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat (at
full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck. That would
pretty much end the problem right there.

"Judge Dread" <dred@hell.net> wrote in message news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>


..................or, don't hug the plate! Pitchers should never throw at
the head. But backing the guy off the plate is a big part of baseball.

On Oct 12, 10:08 pm, "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote:
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly the
> way the rule book states.

You are definitely a Democrat.

On Oct 12, 10:25 pm, "mr. nads" <crazed...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote in messagenews:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org....
> > There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> > the
> > sake of change.
> > For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> > ball tradition to an end.
>
> > Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> > professional team sports...
>
> > First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> > to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> > thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> > Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> > ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> > required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> > error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> > said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> > participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> > probation
> > period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> > including
> > game forfeiture.
>
> > However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> > in
> > a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> > panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> > Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> > inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> > just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> > score
> > is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> > a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> > with
> > a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> > over
> > aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> > unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> > player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> > penalties.
>
> > IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> > issue
> > and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> > appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> > time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> > credibility to the game.
>
> > And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> > policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> > balls
> > and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> > the
> > way the rule book states.
>
> This rule is way too complicated.  If a batter is hit intentionally by a
> pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat (at
> full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck.  That would
> pretty much end the problem right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based
exactly the
way the rule book states.


Uh, can we ask all politicians to follow that thing called
the Constitution "exactly as it is stated"?

"Judge Dread" <dred@hell.net> wrote in message news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
the
> way the rule book states.
===================================================
One little problem. How do you define "intent"? Batters hang right over
the plate. They are allowed to wear hockey pads...meant to deflect 120 mph
hard rubber discs, and helmets. Pitchers must pitch inside to be
successful. None are THAT accurate. Guys get hit. Always will. Your plan
sucks

On Oct 13, 12:22 am, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 10:25 pm, "mr. nads" <crazed...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote in messagenews:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> > > There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> > > the
> > > sake of change.
> > > For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> > > ball tradition to an end.
>
> > > Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> > > professional team sports...
>
> > > First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> > > to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> > > thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> > > Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> > > ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> > > required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> > > error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> > > said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> > > participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> > > probation
> > > period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> > > including
> > > game forfeiture.
>
> > > However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> > > in
> > > a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> > > panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> > > Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> > > inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> > > just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> > > score
> > > is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> > > a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> > > with
> > > a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> > > over
> > > aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> > > unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and ifa
> > > player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> > > penalties.
>
> > > IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> > > issue
> > > and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> > > appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players.It is
> > > time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> > > credibility to the game.
>
> > > And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> > > policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> > > balls
> > > and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> > > the
> > > way the rule book states.
>
> > This rule is way too complicated.  If a batter is hit intentionally by a
> > pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat (at
> > full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck.  That would
> > pretty much end the problem right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based
> exactly the
> way the rule book states.
>
> Uh, can we ask all politicians to follow that thing called
> the Constitution "exactly as it is stated"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

constitution exatly as its stated???
you've obviously never read it.
its not that long. you should
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

"Judge Dread" <dred@hell.net> wrote in message news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> the
> way the rule book states.
>
>
>

Hogwash.. well at least most of it. Who are they going to hire to determine
"intent"? A Psychic?

I DO agree with the need for more consistency in calling balls and strikes
and I've been frustrated at the lack of that in MLB. How many jobs out there
allow for such freedom at your job? In my job I have some of that freedom to
"wing it" so to speak but there are many aspects of my job that "require" me
to do things by the book. I don't have the link for the MLB rule book in
front of me but if I recall it correctly the strike zone requires the ball
to cross over the plate in a range between the hitters kness and the uniform
letters. I think having to guess what a particular strike zone is going to
be on a particular night hinders the game as a whole.

I'd enjoy seeing more punchouts and defense than I would more home runs.
Unfortunately MLB doesn't currently see it that way.

In news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org,
Judge Dread <dred@hell.net> mused:
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change
> only for the sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the
> (retaliation) bean ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in
> all of professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by
> contract) to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or
> other player with a thrown pitch or play ball.

You'll virtually never be able to amassed conclusive enough evidence
to prove that a player intentionally threw at another player
sufficient to void a contract. Secondly, this puts pitchers in more
contract danger than other players. Thirdly, if you're going to do
that, then yoou should also include spikes up slides into any base.

> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out
> and be required to approach the struck play, shake hands and
> apologize for their error...

[snip. that does it for me.]

In news:gcubk8$cgo$1@registered.motzarella.org,
mr. nads <crazedcal@hotmail.com> mused:

> This rule is way too complicated. If a batter is hit
> intentionally by a pitch, then the batter should be able to hit
> the pitcher with his bat (at full swing I might add) on the same
> spot that he was struck. That would pretty much end the problem
> right there.

In all seriousness, I've never understood why, if a bat slips out of
the batters hands and goes straight to the pitchers head, the batter
is not only fined and otherwise sanctioned, but that it's regarded
as poor sportsmanship. I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally
threw at my head, and I survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very
next pitch. Not a bad reputation to have, IMO.

>You'll virtually never be able to amassed conclusive enough evidence
>sufficient to void a contract. Secondly, this puts pitchers in more
>contract danger than other players. Thirdly, if you're going to do
>that, then you should also include spikes up slides into any base.

if a struck batter has previously been in some type of episode or
confrontation it would mean more to the reviewing panel

as for the spikes first slides, it would be up to the offended defenseman to
file a grievance with he review panel

Maybe this is not the best plan even if there is a " best plan" but IMO
something needs to be done about the beanball, there is no place in
professional sports for playground retaliation.

The way the game is played now, when a pitcher strikes a batter there no
recognition by the pitcher, in no other sport, or walk of life for that
matter where one individual accidentally injures another without
acknowledging it and apologize for it.

In news:gcvffo$r2l$1@aioe.org,
Judge Dread <dred@hell.net> mused:
>> You'll virtually never be able to amassed conclusive enough
>> evidence sufficient to void a contract. Secondly, this puts
>> pitchers in more contract danger than other players. Thirdly,
>> if you're going to do that, then you should also include spikes
>> up slides into any base.
>
> if a struck batter has previously been in some type of episode or
> confrontation it would mean more to the reviewing panel
>
> as for the spikes first slides, it would be up to the offended
> defenseman to file a grievance with he review panel

Then it'll never happen. You're asking a player to refrain for
taking up his beef with another player on the field, and, instead,
file a grievance against him? Never happen on multiple levels.
First, it'd be seen as cowardly, and the unmanly thing to do, and
second, the union would never in a million years allow it. Any guy
filling such a grievance would be ostracized for ever.

> Maybe this is not the best plan even if there is a " best plan"
> but IMO something needs to be done about the beanball, there is
> no place in professional sports for playground retaliation.

I agree that there's no place for bean balls, but I don't know that
there's any way to change things.

> The way the game is played now, when a pitcher strikes a batter
> there no recognition by the pitcher, in no other sport, or walk
> of life for that matter where one individual accidentally
> injures another without acknowledging it and apologize for it.

"MuahMan" <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:05ee07e0-14b0-4dc6-90c2-2139af736ff4@u28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 12, 10:08 pm, "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote:
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> the
> way the rule book states.

You are definitely a Democrat.

Whats up with bringing OT stuff into the topic? Who gives a shit if someone
is a democrat or republican? Both parties lost their way many many years
ago. Why limit yourself by putting an "R", "D", or "I" on yourself?

ALL politicians are crooks, especially the higher ups.

<HUGE SNIP>

To me the warning rule is flawed. If the ump knows a pitcher threw at a guy
or thinks he knows enough to give a warning, he ought to have the option to
toss him right there. Why give him a free shot and handcuff the other team?
If he just thinks the game may get out of hand, and isn't sure if a pitch
was intentional, then he should have the option of a warning too.

"Judge Dread" <dred@hell.net> wrote in message news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> the
> way the rule book states.
>
>
Sounds like the real answer is to have Congress insist on a "special
prosecutor" to determine if there has been any wrong doing each time a
batter gets hit.

> I DO agree with the need for more consistency in calling balls and strikes
> and I've been frustrated at the lack of that in MLB. How many jobs out
> there allow for such freedom at your job? In my job I have some of that
> freedom to "wing it" so to speak but there are many aspects of my job that
> "require" me to do things by the book. I don't have the link for the MLB
> rule book in front of me but if I recall it correctly the strike zone
> requires the ball to cross over the plate in a range between the hitters
> kness and the uniform letters. I think having to guess what a particular
> strike zone is going to be on a particular night hinders the game as a
> whole.
>
> I'd enjoy seeing more punchouts and defense than I would more home runs.
> Unfortunately MLB doesn't currently see it that way.

Amen brother! I don't really think baseball would be served poorly by a
uniform strike zone that matches the rules. You may get a few more K's as
hitters adjust but a lot of hitters like the ball high anyway.

>

>> The way the game is played now, when a pitcher strikes a batter
>> there no recognition by the pitcher, in no other sport, or walk
>> of life for that matter where one individual accidentally
>> injures another without acknowledging it and apologize for it.

Do you remember a playoff game not long ago, I think the Dodgers were
involved, when the opposing manager had his team go out and shake the hands
of their opponents? I was all for that. Take the competition apart on the
field and then show sportsmanship and no hard feelings afterwards.

I never understood why that manager was lambasted for that and why MLB said
you can't do that anymore.

"AllYou!" <idaman@conversent.net> wrote in message
news:E4GdnRBmhfRsp27VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@posted.choiceonecommunications...
> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head, and I
> survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a bad
> reputation to have, IMO.

If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

"Ironside" <old_ironside@SPAMREALLYSUXhotmail.com.REMOVECAPSTOREPLY> wrote
in message news:KYLIk.3255$as4.2486@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "AllYou!" <idaman@conversent.net> wrote in message
> news:E4GdnRBmhfRsp27VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@posted.choiceonecommunications...
>> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head, and I
>> survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a bad
>> reputation to have, IMO.
>
> If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

Which would result in ball one. You'd either have to walk him or have a bat
thrown at you. He wins either way. Besides, he'd likely face you again.

> <HUGE SNIP>
>
> To me the warning rule is flawed. If the ump knows a pitcher threw at
> a guy or thinks he knows enough to give a warning, he ought to have
> the option to toss him right there. Why give him a free shot and
> handcuff the other team? If he just thinks the game may get out of
> hand, and isn't sure if a pitch was intentional, then he should have
> the option of a warning too.

Nothing prevents an ump from issuing a warning at any time for any reason.
He is likewise NOT required to eject a pitcher AFTER said warning if he
doesn't think the pitcher deliberately hit the batter. We just saw an
example of that quite recently.

Ironside wrote:
> "AllYou!" <idaman@conversent.net> wrote in message
> news:E4GdnRBmhfRsp27VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@posted.choiceonecommunications...
>> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head, and I
>> survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a bad
>> reputation to have, IMO.
>
> If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

Why not hit a batter if he had 3 balls and first base is open...if you
really want to?

"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gd029l$mov$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> <HUGE SNIP>
>>
>> To me the warning rule is flawed. If the ump knows a pitcher threw at
>> a guy or thinks he knows enough to give a warning, he ought to have
>> the option to toss him right there. Why give him a free shot and
>> handcuff the other team? If he just thinks the game may get out of
>> hand, and isn't sure if a pitch was intentional, then he should have
>> the option of a warning too.
>
> Nothing prevents an ump from issuing a warning at any time for any reason.
> He is likewise NOT required to eject a pitcher AFTER said warning if he
> doesn't think the pitcher deliberately hit the batter. We just saw an
> example of that quite recently.
..

True. However, my point was that they have to give the warning to the first
pitcher involved, even if was obvious the pitch was intentional. He should
have the option of ejecting him right there. I could be wrong but I don't
think umps have that option. They have to warn and then they can eject or
not as they see fit.

Why can the second guy that throws at a hitter be ejected but not the first
guy that started it?

In news:KYLIk.3255$as4.2486@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
Ironside <old_ironside@SPAMREALLYSUXhotmail.com.REMOVECAPSTOREPLY>
mused:
> "AllYou!" <idaman@conversent.net> wrote in message
> news:E4GdnRBmhfRsp27VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@posted.choiceonecommunications...
>> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head,
>> and I survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a
>> bad reputation to have, IMO.
>
> If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

Unless your career would end shortly thereafter, or mine, I'd get my
chance.

On Oct 13, 12:54 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 13, 12:22 am, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 10:25 pm, "mr. nads" <crazed...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote in messagenews:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> > > > There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> > > > the
> > > > sake of change.
> > > > For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> > > > ball tradition to an end.
>
> > > > Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> > > > professional team sports...
>
> > > > First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> > > > to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> > > > thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> > > > Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> > > > ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> > > > required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize fortheir
> > > > error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> > > > said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> > > > participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> > > > probation
> > > > period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> > > > including
> > > > game forfeiture.
>
> > > > However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> > > > in
> > > > a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> > > > panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> > > > Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> > > > inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> > > > just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> > > > score
> > > > is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> > > > a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> > > > with
> > > > a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> > > > over
> > > > aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> > > > unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> > > > player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> > > > penalties.
>
> > > > IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> > > > issue
> > > > and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> > > > appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> > > > time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> > > > credibility to the game.
>
> > > > And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> > > > policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> > > > balls
> > > > and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> > > > the
> > > > way the rule book states.
>
> > > This rule is way too complicated.  If a batter is hit intentionallyby a
> > > pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat(at
> > > full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck.  That would
> > > pretty much end the problem right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based
> > exactly the
> > way the rule book states.
>
> > Uh, can we ask all politicians to follow that thing called
> > the Constitution "exactly as it is stated"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> constitution exatly as its stated???
>  you've obviously never read it.
> its not that long. you shouldhttp://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Thanxx to Raymond for telling me, your dee-dee cat,
what I may or may not have read.

Raymonds is such a schmartties.

On Oct 13, 7:18 pm, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 13, 12:54 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 12:22 am, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 12, 10:25 pm, "mr. nads" <crazed...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Judge Dread" <d...@hell.net> wrote in messagenews:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> > > > > There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> > > > > the
> > > > > sake of change.
> > > > > For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> > > > > ball tradition to an end.
>
> > > > > Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in allof
> > > > > professional team sports...
>
> > > > > First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> > > > > to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other playerwith a
> > > > > thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> > > > > Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> > > > > ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out andbe
> > > > > required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> > > > > error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> > > > > said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> > > > > participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> > > > > probation
> > > > > period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> > > > > including
> > > > > game forfeiture.
>
> > > > > However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> > > > > in
> > > > > a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> > > > > panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> > > > > Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competitionfrom
> > > > > inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in myopinion
> > > > > just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> > > > > score
> > > > > is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> > > > > a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> > > > > with
> > > > > a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> > > > > over
> > > > > aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> > > > > unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> > > > > player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> > > > > penalties.
>
> > > > > IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye tothe
> > > > > issue
> > > > > and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> > > > > appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> > > > > time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> > > > > credibility to the game.
>
> > > > > And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strictpolicing
> > > > > policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> > > > > balls
> > > > > and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> > > > > the
> > > > > way the rule book states.
>
> > > > This rule is way too complicated.  If a batter is hit intentionally by a
> > > > pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat (at
> > > > full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck.  That would
> > > > pretty much end the problem right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based
> > > exactly the
> > > way the rule book states.
>
> > > Uh, can we ask all politicians to follow that thing called
> > > the Constitution "exactly as it is stated"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > constitution exatly as its stated???
> >  you've obviously never read it.
> > its not that long. you shouldhttp://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanxx to Raymond for telling me, your dee-dee cat,
> what I may or may not have read.
>
> Raymonds is such a schmartties.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


you obviously haven't read it
they had abortions back then but somehow they didn't think to ban
them.

and are we to go back to slavery? and blacks only being 3/5ths of a
human? that is clearly stated in it.
and lets not have women voting anymore.

the fact is they wrote it as a living document and even put in
provisions to change it as needed.