Goodbye
Yep, Mets are from the Bizarro World where up is down, in is out.
Jerry Manuel gets a 2 year contract for blowing a lead in the last 2
weeks of the season!
Maybe if he finished in last place he'd have gotten a 10 year deal!
Hello

In article
<c59d17ac-eb4f-42f8-b41c-2b5f5a359315@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
RWF <fwdixon@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Goodbye
> Yep, Mets are from the Bizarro World where up is down, in is out.
> Jerry Manuel gets a 2 year contract for blowing a lead in the last 2
> weeks of the season!
> Maybe if he finished in last place he'd have gotten a 10 year deal!
> Hello

And Omar gets 4 years for the missing the playoffs with the largest
payroll in the NL, for not addressing aged ball players who get hurt,
for not addressing a weak bull pen (and worse, getting rid of productive
players who could have helped), for his handling the managership (both
the firing of Willie and its timing) and the fact this team does not
rise to the occasion.

Bizarro world indeed.

h

On Oct 6, 6:45�am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Goodbye
> Yep, Mets are from the Bizarro World where up is down, in is out.
> Jerry Manuel gets a 2 year contract for blowing a lead in the last 2
> weeks of the season!
> Maybe if he finished in last place he'd have gotten a 10 year deal!
> Hello

How did Jerry Manuel blow the lead?

On Oct 6, 8:45 am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Goodbye
> Yep, Mets are from the Bizarro World where up is down, in is out.
> Jerry Manuel gets a 2 year contract for blowing a lead in the last 2
> weeks of the season!
> Maybe if he finished in last place he'd have gotten a 10 year deal!
> Hello

If Jerry had managed the whole season, given his win rate after taking
over the team, they would have had about 96 wins, 4th best in the
majors and way out in front in the NL East. There's reason to believe
they would have likely folded in the playoffs, wilting the way they
did with the season on the line. Nevertheless, he provided an almost
immediate boost to this team. Unless you have proven top level manager
in line to take his place, a fairly modest 2 year contract seems like
a no brainer.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:08:16 -0700, JEK wrote:

> If Jerry had managed the whole season, given his win rate after taking
> over the team, they would have had about 96 wins, 4th best in the
> majors and way out in front in the NL East.

Nothing Manuel did would have changed the first half of the season.

Ruben

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On Oct 6, 2:19 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:

> How did Jerry Manuel blow the lead?

Did you even check the standings for the last month of the season,
Mary?
If the Mutts had won, you'd be blowing off about what a wonderful
manager Manuel is.

"Ruben" <ruben@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.10.06.22.53.10.670424@www2.mrbrklyn.com...
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:08:16 -0700, JEK wrote:
>
>> If Jerry had managed the whole season, given his win rate after taking
>> over the team, they would have had about 96 wins, 4th best in the
>> majors and way out in front in the NL East.
>
> Nothing Manuel did would have changed the first half of the season.
>
> Ruben
>

We'll never know, but I disagree. I think this team would have had a better
April and May if Willie were trashed in October last year. It would have
sent a message, and the team would not have had to deal with the collapse
talk as much as they did, and have to listen to Willie spin as much as he
did in spring training.

Would they still have blown 29 saves? Probably! <g> Still, you can say it
would have made no difference, I can say it would have, but the bottom line
is that no one can say for sure one way or another.

LGM 2009

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:22:00 -0700, RWF wrote:

>
> On Oct 6, 2:19 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> How did Jerry Manuel blow the lead?
>
> Did you even check the standings for the last month of the season,
> Mary?
> If the Mutts had won, you'd be blowing off about what a wonderful
> manager Manuel is.


You know what they say about opinions...

Next he'll tell you Manuel was supposed go out an pitch from the ballpen...

Ruben

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On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:24:19 -0400, Element wrote:

> We'll never know, but I disagree. I think this team would have had a better
> April and May if Willie were trashed in October last year.

You could look at the calender and you can see that the team was beginning
to improve up until the day they canned Randolph. As he started to
stretch the starting pitching, the pitchers responded.

In the end, what was he supposed to do? He had to throw Heilman out
there, and Wagner, just as Manuel did.

The one big difference was that Delgado came alive, but he was also
showing signs of life. They couldn't win with the peices they had, and
Randolph had to use them...and so did Jerry.

I'm not sold on this guy. I'd had like to have seen Oberkfeld possibly
take over and I wouldn't be suprised one bit if he ends up being the
Manager before the Manuel contract runs out.

Ruben

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"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
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On Oct 6, 5:22�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2:19�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > How did Jerry Manuel blow the lead?
>
> Did you even check the standings for the last month of the season,
> Mary?
> If the Mutts had won, you'd be blowing off about what a wonderful
> manager Manuel is.

What the fuck are you mumbling about? And who do you think you're
talking to?

On Oct 6, 9:05 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:

> What the fuck are you mumbling about?  And who do you think you're
> talking to?

I'm talking to you, dickhead.

On Oct 6, 7:34�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 9:05�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > What the fuck are you mumbling about? �And who do you think you're
> > talking to?
>
> I'm talking to you, dickhead.

I ask you how Manuel blew the lead, you reply: "Did you even check
the standings for the last month of the season,
Mary?"

That would be a non-responsive, shit for brains, except for the part
about "Mary" which would just be dead wrong. You're mumbling like a
drunk in an alley. Sober up before you post.

[Default] On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT), RWF
<fwdixon@hotmail.com> escribió:

>On Oct 6, 2:19 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:

>> How did Jerry Manuel blow the lead?

>Did you even check the standings for the last month of the season,
>Mary?

Did you bother to check the standings when Manuel took over
the team, Sally?

>If the Mutts had won, you'd be blowing off about what a wonderful
>manager Manuel is.

And if they'd won one more game, whiny little dopes like you wouldn't
have anything to bitch about.

-- EAQDEU®

26*!! 26*!! 26*!!

On Oct 7, 12:30 am, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 7:34 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 6, 9:05 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > What the fuck are you mumbling about? And who do you think you're
> > > talking to?
>
> > I'm talking to you, dickhead.
>
> I ask you how Manuel blew the lead, you reply:  "Did you even check
> the standings for the last month of the season,
> Mary?"
>
> That would be a non-responsive, shit for brains, except for the part
> about "Mary" which would just be dead wrong.  You're mumbling like a
> drunk in an alley.  Sober up before you post.

Well, only to a low-grade moron like you would that answer seem non-
responsive.
A check of the September standings find the Mutts going from
contenders to zeroes. If the manager is to be praised for winning,
even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
manager must take the blame for losing.
But logic doesn't seem to be your strong point, does it, Mary?

In article <p6ple4158ngrsudmt6sblv3a9u2rrtvue3@4ax.com>,
El Abogado Que Delira En Usenet® <siempredelirando@googlelaw.net>
wrote:

> And if they'd won one more game, whiny little dopes like you wouldn't
> have anything to bitch about.
>
> -- EAQDEU®

I disagree. One more game and we would have still trailed the Phils and
still not even backed in as a WC. We would have needed two wins for that.

And, some of us whiney little dopes posted before the debacle unfolded
that not winning the division after having a three game lead in
September would still be failure.

It was.

harlan

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:27:59 -0400, Harlan Lachman wrote:

>
> And, some of us whiney little dopes posted before the debacle unfolded
> that not winning the division after having a three game lead in
> September would still be failure.
>
> It was.

No, it wasn't. They cleaned up on the crap teams and stubled against
Florida and Chicago, and frankly, I had a strong feeling that was going to
happen.

And as a FACT, the Vegas odds for the Mets when they were 3 games up at
were only SLIGHTLY in the Mets favor to make the playoffs.

So somebody seemed to know something all the whining bastards didn't know.

Ruben

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On Oct 7, 6:22�am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:30�am, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 7:34 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 6, 9:05 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What the fuck are you mumbling about? And who do you think you're
> > > > talking to?
>
> > > I'm talking to you, dickhead.
>
> > I ask you how Manuel blew the lead, you reply: �"Did you even check
> > the standings for the last month of the season,
> > Mary?"
>
> > That would be a non-responsive, shit for brains, except for the part
> > about "Mary" which would just be dead wrong. �You're mumbling like a
> > drunk in an alley. �Sober up before you post.
>
> Well, only to a low-grade moron like you would that answer seem non-
> responsive.
> A check of the September standings find the Mutts going from
> contenders to zeroes. If the manager is to be praised for winning,
> even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
> manager must take the blame for losing.
> But logic doesn't seem to be your strong point, does it, Mary?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in the ass.


"If the manager is to be praised for winning,
even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
manager must take the blame for losing."

Um, no, moron. It doesn't. If, for example, the manager changed the
line-up to a more productive one. If he changed the bullpen-use
strategy to one that worked better. If he benched a non-productive
player for one who came through when needed. Then, he would be
praised for winning.

If, for example, the bullpen closer was lost to injury. If a major
player stopped hitting. If players made stuopid moves on the
basepaths and in the field. How would any of this be the manager's
fault?

Of course, following this reasoning actually takes, uh, reasoning.
Which you are not capable of.

Go home. Your village is missing its idiot and is very sad that they
dont have to kick around anymore. They replaced you with a bag of cow
shit.

[Default] On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:27:59 -0400, Harlan Lachman
<hlachman@verizon.net> escribió:

>In article <p6ple4158ngrsudmt6sblv3a9u2rrtvue3@4ax.com>,
> El Abogado Que Delira En Usenet® <siempredelirando@googlelaw.net>
> wrote:
>
>> And if they'd won one more game, whiny little dopes like you wouldn't
>> have anything to bitch about.
>>
>> -- EAQDEU®
>
>I disagree. One more game and we would have still trailed the Phils and
>still not even backed in as a WC.

One more win would have given this deeply flawed team a shot at the
postseason, which is as much as it deserved.

>We would have needed two wins for that.

I doubt that even two more wins would have been enough to satisfy the
whiny dope contingent. Some people always need something to bitch
about.

>And, some of us whiney little dopes posted before the debacle unfolded
>that not winning the division after having a three game lead in
>September would still be failure.

>It was.

No, it wasn't. The problem is that too many Met fans fancy
themselves as martyrs, and they tend to revel in the team's failures.
If that's the camp you want to associate yourself with, then enjoy...
or don't, as the case may be.

-- EAQDEU®

26*!! 26*!! 26*!!

In article <juone45ritafrp7kv8t36avi3dlf6d4mk7@4ax.com>,
El Abogado Que Delira En Usenet® <siempredelirando@googlelaw.net>
wrote:

> [Default] On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:27:59 -0400, Harlan Lachman
> <hlachman@verizon.net> escribió:
>
> >In article <p6ple4158ngrsudmt6sblv3a9u2rrtvue3@4ax.com>,
> > El Abogado Que Delira En Usenet® <siempredelirando@googlelaw.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> And if they'd won one more game, whiny little dopes like you wouldn't
> >> have anything to bitch about.
> >>
> >> -- EAQDEU®
> >
> >I disagree. One more game and we would have still trailed the Phils and
> >still not even backed in as a WC.
>
> One more win would have given this deeply flawed team a shot at the
> postseason, which is as much as it deserved.

We agree on all that was deserved.
>
> >We would have needed two wins for that.
>
> I doubt that even two more wins would have been enough to satisfy the
> whiny dope contingent. Some people always need something to bitch
> about.

Well, it wouldn't have satisfied me. I thought we should have won the
division.

>
> >And, some of us whiney little dopes posted before the debacle unfolded
> >that not winning the division after having a three game lead in
> >September would still be failure.
>
> >It was.
>
> No, it wasn't. The problem is that too many Met fans fancy
> themselves as martyrs, and they tend to revel in the team's failures.
> If that's the camp you want to associate yourself with, then enjoy...
> or don't, as the case may be.

I am not a martyr. I root for a team whose commitment to winning is
suspect. Keeping Randolph this year after the worst collapse in history,
then keeping Manuel after another collapse, and getting in bed with Omar
for the next four years after he failed to provide for a bull pen or
depth makes me wonder.

Why was a 2 year commitment OK for Manuel but not for Omar?

harlan
>
> -- EAQDEU®
>
> 26*!! 26*!! 26*!!

On Oct 6, 8:59 pm, Ruben <ru...@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:24:19 -0400, Element wrote:
> > We'll never know, but I disagree. I think this team would have had a better
> > April and May if Willie were trashed in October last year.
>
> You could look at the calender and you can see that the team was beginning
> to improve up until the day they canned Randolph.  As he started to
> stretch the starting pitching, the pitchers responded.
>
> In the end, what was he supposed to do?  He had to throw Heilman out
> there, and Wagner, just as Manuel did.
>
> The one big difference was that Delgado came alive, but he was also
> showing signs of life.  They couldn't win with the peices they had, and
> Randolph had to use them...and so did Jerry.
>
> I'm not sold on this guy.  I'd had like to have seen Oberkfeld possibly
> take over and I wouldn't be suprised one bit if he ends up being the
> Manager before the Manuel contract runs out.
>
> Ruben
>

I agree that Delgado was the main reason why the Mets were even in the
playoff hunt. But Jerry Manuel from the beginning of the season could
have made a difference. Huge difference? we'll never know. But once
Willie was fired, he was instrumental in relaxing the players. Manuel
also went "Back to Basics" on the field. How much did the Mets defense
improved with Jerry? He benched Castillo (something Willie wouldn't
have done it), sent msgs to players like Castro who had nagging
injuries, really did not let Maine get into a game during the stretch
(probably saving his future). He played the best hand and didn't care
about contracts.

Again, the intangible values is what got him the contract extension.

LGM 2009!!

Met-in-PR


> --http://www.mrbrklyn.com- Interesting Stuffhttp://www.nylxs.com- Leadership Development in Free Software
>
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world  - RISafir 1998
>
> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>
> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
>
> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
> You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt.  I guess you missed that one."
>
> © Copyright for the Digital Millennium

On Oct 7, 2:15 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 6:22 am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 12:30 am, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 6, 7:34 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 6, 9:05 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > What the fuck are you mumbling about? And who do you think you're
> > > > > talking to?
>
> > > > I'm talking to you, dickhead.
>
> > > I ask you how Manuel blew the lead, you reply: "Did you even check
> > > the standings for the last month of the season,
> > > Mary?"
>
> > > That would be a non-responsive, shit for brains, except for the part
> > > about "Mary" which would just be dead wrong. You're mumbling like a
> > > drunk in an alley. Sober up before you post.
>
> > Well, only to a low-grade moron like you would that answer seem non-
> > responsive.
> > A check of the September standings find the Mutts going from
> > contenders to zeroes. If the manager is to be praised for winning,
> > even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
> > manager must take the blame for losing.
> > But logic doesn't seem to be your strong point, does it, Mary?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in the ass.
>
> "If the manager is to be praised for winning,
>  even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
>  manager must take the blame for losing."
>
> Um, no, moron.  It doesn't.  If, for example, the manager changed the
> line-up to a more productive one.  If he changed the bullpen-use
> strategy to one that worked better.  If he benched a non-productive
> player for one who came through when needed.  Then, he would be
> praised for winning.
>
> If, for example, the bullpen closer was lost to injury.  If a major
> player stopped hitting.  If players made stuopid moves on the
> basepaths and in the field.  How would any of this be the manager's
> fault?
>
> Of course, following this reasoning actually takes, uh, reasoning.
> Which you are not capable of.
>
> Go home.  Your village is missing its idiot and is very sad that they
> dont have to kick around anymore.  They replaced you with a bag of cow
> shit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh my, Mary seems to be upset that I pointed out her stupidity.
Poor Mary.

[Default] On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:15 -0400, Harlan Lachman
<hlachman@verizon.net> escribió:

>Well, it wouldn't have satisfied me. I thought we should have won the
>division.

This is a team that, once Wagner went down. couldn't be trusted to
hold a three-run lead in the ninth inning, a problem which persisted
for the last six weeks of the season. How do you figure that a
team with such an obvious, glaring weakness should be good enough
to win a division, let alone accomplish anything in the postseason?

>I am not a martyr. I root for a team whose commitment to winning is
>suspect.

A team whose commitment to winning is suspect doesn't go out and
commit over $100 million to a Johan Santana. If you want to
question their judgment, that's one thing, but to suggest that they
aren't committed to winning is unfair and short-sighted.

>Keeping Randolph this year after the worst collapse in history,

That was a judgment call, and in retrospect, probably a bad one. That
said, my thought at the time was that he deserved another chance.

>then keeping Manuel after another collapse,

This was not a 2007-style collapse. Manuel took over a team that
was dead in the water and brought it back into contention, despite a
series of crippling injuries to his pitching staff. The fact that
those injuries proved too much to overcome in the end doesn't change
the fact that under Manuel, the team played at a near .600 pace and
displayed an energy and a resilience that we didn't see under his
predecessor earlier in the season.

If you were that dissatisfied with Manuel, though, who would you have
brought in as manager? And please, for the love of God, don't say
Bobby Valentine.

>and getting in bed with Omar
>for the next four years after he failed to provide for a bull pen or
>depth makes me wonder.

I'll blame Omar for the pitifully weak bench that the Mets had
assembled at the start of the season, but if we're going to do that,
we also have to give him credit for finding guys like Tatis, Murphy
and Evans to plug the holes as the year went along. As for the
bullpen, of course it was an epic disaster this season, but should
Minaya really have foreseen that previously-reliable relievers like
Heilman and Feliciano would implode completely, or that Billy Wagner
would break down in August? Heilman's utter disintegration, in
particular, probably did more to undermine this team's chances than
anything else this season.

>Why was a 2 year commitment OK for Manuel but not for Omar?

Because in Omar's case, there's more of a track record to assess,
and the fact is that he's made this a much better organization than it
was when he took over. Think back to what this organization looked
like in 2004 -- an aging Mike Piazza at first base, Richard Hidalgo
and Mike Cameron in the outfield, Kaz Matsui at short, and relics like
Al Leiter and Tom Glavine carrying the starting rotation. Today,
incredibly, the Mets have four starters under the age of 30, they've
managed to hold on to cornerstone players like Reyes and Wright
while adding players like Delgado, Beltran and Santana to the mix, ,
and the minor league system is the strongest it's been in several
years. We can all point to various mistakes he's made, and there
have been plenty of them, but this is still a solid organization that
should be a consistent contender for years to come, and I don't
think anyone could have said that about the Mets back in 2004.
And Minaya is the guy who made it happen.

-- EAQDEU®

26*!! 26*!! 26*!!

On Oct 7, 7:33�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2:15�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 6:22 am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 7, 12:30 am, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 6, 7:34 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 6, 9:05 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > What the fuck are you mumbling about? And who do you think you're
> > > > > > talking to?
>
> > > > > I'm talking to you, dickhead.
>
> > > > I ask you how Manuel blew the lead, you reply: "Did you even check
> > > > the standings for the last month of the season,
> > > > Mary?"
>
> > > > That would be a non-responsive, shit for brains, except for the part
> > > > about "Mary" which would just be dead wrong. You're mumbling like a
> > > > drunk in an alley. Sober up before you post.
>
> > > Well, only to a low-grade moron like you would that answer seem non-
> > > responsive.
> > > A check of the September standings find the Mutts going from
> > > contenders to zeroes. If the manager is to be praised for winning,
> > > even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
> > > manager must take the blame for losing.
> > > But logic doesn't seem to be your strong point, does it, Mary?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in the ass.
>
> > "If the manager is to be praised for winning,
> > �even a shithead like you would have to allow that it follows that the
> > �manager must take the blame for losing."
>
> > Um, no, moron. �It doesn't. �If, for example, the manager changed the
> > line-up to a more productive one. �If he changed the bullpen-use
> > strategy to one that worked better. �If he benched a non-productive
> > player for one who came through when needed. �Then, he would be
> > praised for winning.
>
> > If, for example, the bullpen closer was lost to injury. �If a major
> > player stopped hitting. �If players made stuopid moves on the
> > basepaths and in the field. �How would any of this be the manager's
> > fault?
>
> > Of course, following this reasoning actually takes, uh, reasoning.
> > Which you are not capable of.
>
> > Go home. �Your village is missing its idiot and is very sad that they
> > dont have to kick around anymore. �They replaced you with a bagof cow
> > shit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh my, Mary seems to be upset that I pointed out her stupidity.
> Poor Mary.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Clearly, you're a masocist who just loves getting his ass kicked, and
who keeps coming back for more and more. Unfortunately for you,
though, you're a repetitively boring, moronic asshole and I've lost
interest in beating you black and blue.

Dismissed.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:15 -0400, Harlan Lachman wrote:

> Well, it wouldn't have satisfied me. I thought we should have won the
> division.
>
>>

Tell me how that makes any sense. They didn't have a 2nd baseman, a LF,
no ballpen, and their number 2 starter went down. In addition to that,
their number 3 starter was being pushed past his endurance point and the
number 1 starter had to return on 3 days rest and the number 5 starter,
Martinez, wasn't returning from injury with any affectiveness.

Oh - their catcher sucks as well and their bunch was thinned out when they
lost Tatis.

In addition to that, the brewers has nearly a 70 POFf of making
the wildcard or playoffs just prior to the 3 games against Philidephia.

You should kiss the Brewers ASS for crashing so hard down the stretch
otherswise they'd had almost NO chance of winning.

I'm just sick of your whining. A whole season went buy and you enjoyed
NOTHING.

Enjoy what you got because by rights, in July they had NO SHOT at the
playoffs at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3474432
http://www.coolstandings.com/baseball_standings.asp?col=&sort=&sim=s&v=d&sn=2008&run=1928


You and Mets-in-PR can go fishing for another 39 year old OFer. That will
turn this team into a juganut.

bitch bitch bitch...that's all you hear. I hate it. Why do you even
watch? Your worse than a Yankee fan. You can't enjoy anything of the
sport unless your team sweeps into the playoffs in 12 straight wins.

Ruben

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:15 -0400, Harlan Lachman wrote:

> I root for a team whose commitment to winning is
> suspect.

The commitment is supsect? They just added 4 good near rookies to the
roster who all look like gamers and then added Santana as well.

Maybe if they go an sign another old fart or Barry Bonds even, then you'd
be satisfied.

Ruben

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"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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On Oct 7, 11:55 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> Clearly, you're a masocist who just loves getting his ass kicked, and
> who keeps coming back for more and more.  Unfortunately for you,
> though, you're a repetitively boring, moronic asshole and I've lost
> interest in beating you black and blue.

In other words, you know you're beaten and can't take any more of my
cutting wit, right Mary?

> Dismissed.

For more on Mr. Miller's problem visit: http://www.rightmansyndrome.com

On Oct 8, 5:35�am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 11:55�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Clearly, you're a masocist who just loves getting his ass kicked, and
> > who keeps coming back for more and more. �Unfortunately for you,
> > though, you're a repetitively boring, moronic asshole and I've lost
> > interest in beating you black and blue.
>
> In other words, you know you're beaten and can't take any more of my
> cutting wit, right Mary?
>
> > Dismissed.
>
> For more on Mr. Miller's problem visit:http://www.rightmansyndrome.com

Cutting wit? Jesus Christ, you are one stoopid son of a bitch.
You're half-right though. (Get it?)

Yep. Declare victory and move along. It's your only chance. Wait.
Scratch that. You don't have a chance in hell.

Fat, drunk, and stoopid is no way to go through life, son.

On Oct 8, 2:33 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:

> Fat, drunk, and stoopid is no way to go through life, son.

Well, you can loose weight and stop drinking but you'll always be
stupid, Mary!

On Oct 8, 1:09�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2:33�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Fat, drunk, and stoopid is no way to go through life, son.
>
> Well, you can loose weight and stop drinking but you'll always be
> stupid, Mary!

Ah, the immortal "I know you are but what am I?" riposte, beloved by
third-graders and morons everywhere.

Never had an original thought penetrate the block of concrete you call
a brain, have you?

On Oct 8, 5:27 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 1:09 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 8, 2:33 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Fat, drunk, and stoopid is no way to go through life, son.
>
> > Well, you can loose weight and stop drinking but you'll always be
> > stupid, Mary!
>
> Ah, the immortal "I know you are but what am I?" riposte, beloved by
> third-graders and morons everywhere.

You should know, Mary!

On Oct 8, 5:12�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 5:27�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 8, 1:09 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 8, 2:33 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Fat, drunk, and stoopid is no way to go through life, son.
>
> > > Well, you can loose weight and stop drinking but you'll always be
> > > stupid, Mary!
>
> > Ah, the immortal "I know you are but what am I?" riposte, beloved by
> > third-graders and morons everywhere.
>
> You should know, Mary!

No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 8, 7:32 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:

> > You should know, Mary!
>
> No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can tell Miss Miller really means it because of all the
exclamation points!

On Oct 8, 6:20�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 7:32�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > You should know, Mary!
>
> > No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> You can tell Miss Miller really means it because of all the
> exclamation points!

You can tell Mister Fuckwit really means it because of all the
exclamation [sic] points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 8, 8:31 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 6:20 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 8, 7:32 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You should know, Mary!
>
> > > No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > You can tell Miss Miller really means it because of all the
> > exclamation points!
>
> You can tell Mister Fuckwit really means it because of all the
> exclamation [sic] points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really shouldn't refer to yourself as a fuckwit, Mary.
Do you even know what "sic" means?
Now go change your tampon.

On Oct 8, 7:46�pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:31�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 8, 6:20 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 8, 7:32 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > You should know, Mary!
>
> > > > No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > You can tell Miss Miller really means it because of all the
> > > exclamation points!
>
> > You can tell Mister Fuckwit really means it because of all the
> > exclamation [sic] points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> You really shouldn't refer to yourself as a fuckwit, Mary.
> Do you even know what "sic" means?
> Now go change your tampon.

No! You change your tampon
[sic]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 8, 9:51 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 7:46 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 8:31 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 8, 6:20 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 8, 7:32 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You should know, Mary!
>
> > > > > No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > You can tell Miss Miller really means it because of all the
> > > > exclamation points!
>
> > > You can tell Mister Fuckwit really means it because of all the
> > > exclamation [sic] points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > You really shouldn't refer to yourself as a fuckwit, Mary.
> > Do you even know what "sic" means?
> > Now go change your tampon.
>
> No!  You change your tampon
> [sic]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-

Poor Miss Miller, entered a battle of wits unarmed.
Next she'll hit me with her purse.

On Oct 9, 6:31�am, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 9:51�pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 7:46 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 8, 8:31 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 8, 6:20 pm, RWF <fwdi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 8, 7:32 pm, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > You should know, Mary!
>
> > > > > > No, you should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > > You can tell Miss Miller really means it because of all the
> > > > > exclamation points!
>
> > > > You can tell Mister Fuckwit really means it because of all the
> > > > exclamation [sic] points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > You really shouldn't refer to yourself as a fuckwit, Mary.
> > > Do you even know what "sic" means?
> > > Now go change your tampon.
>
> > No! �You change your tampon
> > [sic]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!��!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!�!�!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!�!!�!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!�!!!�!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-
>
> Poor Miss Miller, entered a battle of wits unarmed.
> Next she'll hit me with her purse.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Come back when you graduate from elementary school.

On Oct 9, 11:50 am, JohnJMiller <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:

> Come back when you graduate from elementary school.

Is that where you get all your boyfriends, Mary - from elementary
school?

I admit it!
I'm a big fruit, not to mention being a complete moron.
I once got arrested in the men's room of a rest stop on the NJ Turnpike for impersonating a urinal!