http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/913623C7D43A2BE9862574D3000F23EE?OpenDocument

General manager John Mozeliak declined to discuss details but
confirmed negotiating with Lohse's representative. Multiple sources
indicated that the deal could be similar to the four-year, $48 million
contract signed by Carlos Silva with Seattle last winter, and that the
average annual value of Lohse's deal will exceed $10 million.

The Cardinals have scheduled a news conference for 4:30 p.m. today
(FSN Midwest).

==========

This is just horrible news. Lohse will be 30 next season; he's a
league average starting pitcher coming off his best season (113 ERA+),
who regressed to his usual form in the second half. And they're going
to pay him $12 million per season? I'm beginning to lose faith in
Mozieliak's judgment.

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"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote in message
news:5392e4dherv55uja5rku3c1h6sd633jnck@4ax.com...
> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/913623C7D43A2BE9862574D3000F23EE?OpenDocument
>
> General manager John Mozeliak declined to discuss details but
> confirmed negotiating with Lohse's representative. Multiple sources
> indicated that the deal could be similar to the four-year, $48 million
> contract signed by Carlos Silva with Seattle last winter, and that the
> average annual value of Lohse's deal will exceed $10 million.
>
> The Cardinals have scheduled a news conference for 4:30 p.m. today
> (FSN Midwest).
>
> ==========
>
> This is just horrible news. Lohse will be 30 next season; he's a
> league average starting pitcher coming off his best season (113 ERA+),
> who regressed to his usual form in the second half. And they're going
> to pay him $12 million per season? I'm beginning to lose faith in
> Mozieliak's judgment.
>

12M/year is more like what I was thinking. That's a horrible contract over
4 years. That makes Jason Marquis' contract with the Cubs look like a
steal. LOL.

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:08:09 -0500, "Eric Margheim"
<nospam***emargheim@centurytel.net> gave us:
>"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>news:5392e4dherv55uja5rku3c1h6sd633jnck@4ax.com...
>> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/913623C7D43A2BE9862574D3000F23EE?OpenDocument

>> General manager John Mozeliak declined to discuss details but
>> confirmed negotiating with Lohse's representative. Multiple sources
>> indicated that the deal could be similar to the four-year, $48 million
>> contract signed by Carlos Silva with Seattle last winter, and that the
>> average annual value of Lohse's deal will exceed $10 million.

>> The Cardinals have scheduled a news conference for 4:30 p.m. today
>> (FSN Midwest).

>> ==========

>> This is just horrible news. Lohse will be 30 next season; he's a
>> league average starting pitcher coming off his best season (113 ERA+),
>> who regressed to his usual form in the second half. And they're going
>> to pay him $12 million per season? I'm beginning to lose faith in
>> Mozieliak's judgment.

>12M/year is more like what I was thinking. That's a horrible contract over
>4 years. That makes Jason Marquis' contract with the Cubs look like a
>steal. LOL.

Apparently, it's "only" $41 million. "His new deal contract calls for
a $1.25 million signing bonus and salaries of $7,125,000 next year,
$8,875,000 in 2009 and $11,875,000 in each of the final two seasons.
He also gets a full no-trade clause."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cardinals-lohse&prov=ap&type=lgns

Still terrible.

--
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grime, slim, smegma, sludge, disease, funk, pus,
STDs, cooties, and other filth, I'll risk being a
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In article <5392e4dherv55uja5rku3c1h6sd633jnck@4ax.com>,
Lance Freezeland <freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote:

> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/913623C7D4
> 3A2BE9862574D3000F23EE?OpenDocument
>
> General manager John Mozeliak declined to discuss details but
> confirmed negotiating with Lohse's representative. Multiple sources
> indicated that the deal could be similar to the four-year, $48 million
> contract signed by Carlos Silva with Seattle last winter, and that the
> average annual value of Lohse's deal will exceed $10 million.
>
> The Cardinals have scheduled a news conference for 4:30 p.m. today
> (FSN Midwest).
>
> ==========
>
> This is just horrible news. Lohse will be 30 next season; he's a
> league average starting pitcher coming off his best season (113 ERA+),
> who regressed to his usual form in the second half. And they're going
> to pay him $12 million per season? I'm beginning to lose faith in
> Mozieliak's judgment.
>
> --
> Lance
>

Lohse was basically signed for the going rate for starting pitchers.
Mo is simply a realist.

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"Eddie Gaedel" <edg51@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:edg51-AAAA63.17532530092008@news.kc.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <5392e4dherv55uja5rku3c1h6sd633jnck@4ax.com>,
> Lance Freezeland <freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/913623C7D4
>> 3A2BE9862574D3000F23EE?OpenDocument
>>
>> General manager John Mozeliak declined to discuss details but
>> confirmed negotiating with Lohse's representative. Multiple sources
>> indicated that the deal could be similar to the four-year, $48 million
>> contract signed by Carlos Silva with Seattle last winter, and that the
>> average annual value of Lohse's deal will exceed $10 million.
>>
>> The Cardinals have scheduled a news conference for 4:30 p.m. today
>> (FSN Midwest).
>>
>> ==========
>>
>> This is just horrible news. Lohse will be 30 next season; he's a
>> league average starting pitcher coming off his best season (113 ERA+),
>> who regressed to his usual form in the second half. And they're going
>> to pay him $12 million per season?

$8.25 mil. in '09 with a lower total of $41 million over
the 4 yrs.

"According to the Associated Press, Lohse's deal is
significantly backloaded and pays him $7.125 million in 2009 with a $1.25
million signing bonus, with his base salary climbing to $11.875 million in
2011 and 2012. That structure could conceivably allow the Cardinals to be
more aggressive in the near term than if Lohse were making $10 million each
year."

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080929&content_id=3572845&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl


>> I'm beginning to lose faith in Mozieliak's judgment.
>>
>> --
>> Lance
>>
>
> Lohse was basically signed for the going rate for starting pitchers.
> Mo is simply a realist.

True.

"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote in message
news:f465e4tr4ibrt83ekh65c0mhpmaloisofp@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:08:09 -0500, "Eric Margheim"
> <nospam***emargheim@centurytel.net> gave us:
>>"Lance Freezeland" <freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote in
>>message
>>news:5392e4dherv55uja5rku3c1h6sd633jnck@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/913623C7D43A2BE9862574D3000F23EE?OpenDocument
>
>>> General manager John Mozeliak declined to discuss details but
>>> confirmed negotiating with Lohse's representative. Multiple sources
>>> indicated that the deal could be similar to the four-year, $48 million
>>> contract signed by Carlos Silva with Seattle last winter, and that the
>>> average annual value of Lohse's deal will exceed $10 million.
>
>>> The Cardinals have scheduled a news conference for 4:30 p.m. today
>>> (FSN Midwest).
>
>>> ==========
>
>>> This is just horrible news. Lohse will be 30 next season; he's a
>>> league average starting pitcher coming off his best season (113 ERA+),
>>> who regressed to his usual form in the second half. And they're going
>>> to pay him $12 million per season? I'm beginning to lose faith in
>>> Mozieliak's judgment.
>
>>12M/year is more like what I was thinking. That's a horrible contract
>>over
>>4 years. That makes Jason Marquis' contract with the Cubs look like a
>>steal. LOL.
>
> Apparently, it's "only" $41 million. "His new deal contract calls for
> a $1.25 million signing bonus and salaries of $7,125,000 next year,
> $8,875,000 in 2009 and $11,875,000 in each of the final two seasons.
> He also gets a full no-trade clause."
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cardinals-lohse&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> Still terrible.

This is almost the same contract Suppan got from the Brewers (that the
Cardinals wouldn't go for) a year ago. The Cardinals have more money
available now that a few of the big contracts - Izzy, Encarnacion, Mulder (I
can't imagine they'll pick up the option) are done, and Lohse did have a
better year in 2008 than Suppan had in 2007. Still, I wonder how it makes
Adam Wainwright (4 years, $15M) feel.

Status of Cards' player contracts can be found here:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/st-louis-cardinals_111971260115041890.html

AJM