Game Comments: Tampa Bay 9/21/08
http://chicagobearsfanforum.com/blog/?p=296

Offense

1. The Bucs were, like everyone else, trying to stop the run first, today and daring Orton to pass. Lots of eight men in the box. We should get used to it.
2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third down. How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play in the face of it so often, I don't know. But they'd better look at it closely.
3. I thought it was great to see an actual well-executed screen play. Too bad it was immediately followed by a terrible interception on an attempted middle screen.
4. It was an uneven day in terms of play calling today. There were stretches like the series leading to the Bears second field goal. In that one, they were calling everything right and caught the Bucs in the wrong defense constantly. And then there were curious calls like the empty backfield on third and one. That was followed by a delayed handoff/draw play on the next third and one. Odd choices.
5. Orton was being baited into changing the play at the line again. It wasn't as bad as last week but it was still noticeable.
6. I think Ron Turner asks Kyle Orton to do things that he's not good at too often. Orton is a lot like Griese and they have similar weaknesses. But while the Bucs try to get Griese open passes over the middle, his strength, Turner constantly asks Orton to hit receivers deep and outside the numbers. Admittedly he hit some of those today but Orton isn't Grossman and he can't be asked to do that as often. Turner has to find ways to get receivers open deep over the middle like Tampa does.
7. Watching Brandon Lloyd in the preseason, I knew this day would come. It was just a matter of time before he broke out. Nice work today.

Defense

1. Brian Griese does a pretty nice job selling those play action fakes. He had me fooled more than once from the stands.
2. No Brandon McGowan meant less nickel and lots of Hunter Hillenmeyer in coverage. He did a nice job.
3. Lance Briggs had a very nice game. He was all over.
4. Want to know why the Bucs basically did whatever they wanted on offense in the last 5 minutes? The Bear defense was totally exhausted. Hands on hips. Heavy breathing in some cases. I don't know what the time of possession numbers look like but it wasn't so lopsided at that point that I thought you could blame the offense. In any case, even considering Tillman's brain cramp, this was the biggest reason for the team's downfall. A less tired defense would have stopped the game winning drive and, indeed, would have stopped the game in the fourth quarter.

Miscellaneous

1. It was a good thing the returner slipped on the initial kickoff return. He had lots of room to the left.
2. The Bears seemed to spend a good part of the day in decent field position, a nice improvement from last week.
3. Turnovers killed the Bears. No matter how many the defense gets, the Bear offense simply can't do this. Their margin for error is simply too small.
4. I'm not blaming the referees but the call in overtime which resulted in the continuation of Tampa Bay's game winning drive was a travesty of justice. To call a penalty on one Bear player in that situation and not recognize that both sides were throwing fists was just awful.
5. It's a little tough to tell what caused all of the fights and the chippy play. But since Tommie Harris was at the bottom of the pile much of the time, including the last fateful scrum, I'm going to guess that Tampa Bay was trying to cut him at the knees. If that's true, it explains a lot about Charles Tillman's penalty in over time.
6. Having said that... [head shake] what a terrible way to lose a game. Isn't anyone out there thinking with anything above their testicles? How can you get in a fight in a sitatution like that? How can you let yourself lose a game like that? Such lack of discipline is inexcusable. This loss was well deserved.

--
Appreciation is a wonderful thing: It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well.
-- Voltaire

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:07:38 -0500, Tom Shannon <tshanno@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Game Comments: Tampa Bay 9/21/08
>http://chicagobearsfanforum.com/blog/?p=296
>
>Offense
>
> 1. The Bucs were, like everyone else, trying to stop the run first, today and daring Orton to pass. Lots of eight men in the box. We should get used to it.
> 2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third down. How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play in the face of it so often, I don't know. But they'd better look at it closely.
> 3. I thought it was great to see an actual well-executed screen play. Too bad it was immediately followed by a terrible interception on an attempted middle screen.
> 4. It was an uneven day in terms of play calling today. There were stretches like the series leading to the Bears second field goal. In that one, they were calling everything right and caught the Bucs in the wrong defense constantly. And then there were curious calls like the empty backfield on third and one. That was followed by a delayed handoff/draw play on the next third and one. Odd choices.
> 5. Orton was being baited into changing the play at the line again. It wasn't as bad as last week but it was still noticeable.
> 6. I think Ron Turner asks Kyle Orton to do things that he's not good at too often. Orton is a lot like Griese and they have similar weaknesses. But while the Bucs try to get Griese open passes over the middle, his strength, Turner constantly asks Orton to hit receivers deep and outside the numbers. Admittedly he hit some of those today but Orton isn't Grossman and he can't be asked to do that as often. Turner has to find ways to get receivers open deep over the middle like Tampa does.
> 7. Watching Brandon Lloyd in the preseason, I knew this day would come. It was just a matter of time before he broke out. Nice work today.
>
>Defense
>
> 1. Brian Griese does a pretty nice job selling those play action fakes. He had me fooled more than once from the stands.
> 2. No Brandon McGowan meant less nickel and lots of Hunter Hillenmeyer in coverage. He did a nice job.
> 3. Lance Briggs had a very nice game. He was all over.
> 4. Want to know why the Bucs basically did whatever they wanted on offense in the last 5 minutes? The Bear defense was totally exhausted. Hands on hips. Heavy breathing in some cases. I don't know what the time of possession numbers look like but it wasn't so lopsided at that point that I thought you could blame the offense. In any case, even considering Tillman's brain cramp, this was the biggest reason for the team's downfall. A less tired defense would have stopped the game winning drive and, indeed, would have stopped the game in the fourth quarter.
>
>Miscellaneous
>
> 1. It was a good thing the returner slipped on the initial kickoff return. He had lots of room to the left.
> 2. The Bears seemed to spend a good part of the day in decent field position, a nice improvement from last week.
> 3. Turnovers killed the Bears. No matter how many the defense gets, the Bear offense simply can't do this. Their margin for error is simply too small.
> 4. I'm not blaming the referees but the call in overtime which resulted in the continuation of Tampa Bay's game winning drive was a travesty of justice. To call a penalty on one Bear player in that situation and not recognize that both sides were throwing fists was just awful.
> 5. It's a little tough to tell what caused all of the fights and the chippy play. But since Tommie Harris was at the bottom of the pile much of the time, including the last fateful scrum, I'm going to guess that Tampa Bay was trying to cut him at the knees. If that's true, it explains a lot about Charles Tillman's penalty in over time.
> 6. Having said that... [head shake] what a terrible way to lose a game. Isn't anyone out there thinking with anything above their testicles? How can you get in a fight in a sitatution like that? How can you let yourself lose a game like that? Such lack of discipline is inexcusable. This loss was well deserved.

Synopsis:
Sucked. Expect a lot of it this year.

Tom Shannon wrote:
> Game Comments: Tampa Bay 9/21/08
> http://chicagobearsfanforum.com/blog/?p=296
>
> Offense
>
> 1. The Bucs were, like everyone else, trying to stop the run first, today and daring Orton to pass. Lots of eight men in the box. We should get used to it.


NERD: That's true, because your QBs REALLY REALLY suck shit.




> 2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third down. How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play in the face of it so often, I don't know. But they'd better look at it closely.



NERD: Could be they're not very smart. Could be they're just not very
good. Probly a little of both.




> 3. I thought it was great to see an actual well-executed screen play. Too bad it was immediately followed by a terrible interception on an attempted middle screen.



NERD: LOL! Man, that was HILARIOUS.





> 4. It was an uneven day in terms of play calling today. There were stretches like the series leading to the Bears second field goal. In that one, they were calling everything right and caught the Bucs in the wrong defense constantly. And then there were curious calls like the empty backfield on third and one. That was followed by a delayed handoff/draw play on the next third and one. Odd choices.



NERD: Basically their OC isn't very good.




> 5. Orton was being baited into changing the play at the line again. It wasn't as bad as last week but it was still noticeable.



NERD: Yeah, that's bad, because he sucks shit. He's also not very smart.




> 6. I think Ron Turner asks Kyle Orton to do things that he's not good at too often. Orton is a lot like Griese and they have similar weaknesses. But while the Bucs try to get Griese open passes over the middle, his strength, Turner constantly asks Orton to hit receivers deep and outside the numbers. Admittedly he hit some of those today but Orton isn't Grossman and he can't be asked to do that as often. Turner has to find ways to get receivers open deep over the middle like Tampa does.



NERD: He probably doesn't really have any good players to work with.





> 7. Watching Brandon Lloyd in the preseason, I knew this day would come. It was just a matter of time before he broke out. Nice work today.



NERD: Good luck with that.




> Defense
>
> 1. Brian Griese does a pretty nice job selling those play action fakes. He had me fooled more than once from the stands.


NERD: He sucks, but he's not nearly as abysmal as your current QBs.




> 2. No Brandon McGowan meant less nickel and lots of Hunter Hillenmeyer in coverage. He did a nice job.



NERD: Former Packer!




> 3. Lance Briggs had a very nice game. He was all over.



NERD: Not unlike his ferrari. LOL.




> 4. Want to know why the Bucs basically did whatever they wanted on offense in the last 5 minutes? The Bear defense was totally exhausted. Hands on hips. Heavy breathing in some cases. I don't know what the time of possession numbers look like but it wasn't so lopsided at that point that I thought you could blame the offense. In any case, even considering Tillman's brain cramp, this was the biggest reason for the team's downfall. A less tired defense would have stopped the game winning drive and, indeed, would have stopped the game in the fourth quarter.



NERD: Yeah, their conditioning is poor. That's probably also why
they're so injury prone.




> Miscellaneous
>
> 1. It was a good thing the returner slipped on the initial kickoff return. He had lots of room to the left.



NERD: Yeah, special teams suck shit, because you don't have very good
players. Not much depth.




> 2. The Bears seemed to spend a good part of the day in decent field position, a nice improvement from last week.



NERD: I wouldn't get too used that that.




> 3. Turnovers killed the Bears. No matter how many the defense gets, the Bear offense simply can't do this. Their margin for error is simply too small.



NERD: Well they do totally suck shit. You're really going to have to
get some halfway decent players.




> 4. I'm not blaming the referees but the call in overtime which resulted in the continuation of Tampa Bay's game winning drive was a travesty of justice. To call a penalty on one Bear player in that situation and not recognize that both sides were throwing fists was just awful.
> 5. It's a little tough to tell what caused all of the fights and the chippy play. But since Tommie Harris was at the bottom of the pile much of the time, including the last fateful scrum, I'm going to guess that Tampa Bay was trying to cut him at the knees. If that's true, it explains a lot about Charles Tillman's penalty in over time.
> 6. Having said that... [head shake] what a terrible way to lose a game. Isn't anyone out there thinking with anything above their testicles? How can you get in a fight in a sitatution like that? How can you let yourself lose a game like that? Such lack of discipline is inexcusable. This loss was well deserved.



NERD: Very unprofessional. They allowed themselves to get jobbed.
Not long before they just give up on the season.

davis' drop really hurt. the penalty on tillman was truly a poor call. we
prolly win w/o those 2. the noncall of the horsecollar on lloyd was curtous
as was lovie's, our catatonic hc, lack of a challenge on the bucs fumble on
the ko return. we're supposed to be deep in the defensive trenches, where
was it. i'd like to see some more of jamar williams. orton is way too
inconsistent w/ his accuracy. lots of scapegoats in this game
"Tom Shannon" <tshanno@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:878wtldufp.fsf@gmail.com...
> Game Comments: Tampa Bay 9/21/08
> http://chicagobearsfanforum.com/blog/?p=296
>
> Offense
>
> 1. The Bucs were, like everyone else, trying to stop the run first,
> today and daring Orton to pass. Lots of eight men in the box. We should
> get used to it.
> 2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third
> down. How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play in
> the face of it so often, I don't know. But they'd better look at it
> closely.
> 3. I thought it was great to see an actual well-executed screen play.
> Too bad it was immediately followed by a terrible interception on an
> attempted middle screen.
> 4. It was an uneven day in terms of play calling today. There were
> stretches like the series leading to the Bears second field goal. In that
> one, they were calling everything right and caught the Bucs in the wrong
> defense constantly. And then there were curious calls like the empty
> backfield on third and one. That was followed by a delayed handoff/draw
> play on the next third and one. Odd choices.
> 5. Orton was being baited into changing the play at the line again. It
> wasn't as bad as last week but it was still noticeable.
> 6. I think Ron Turner asks Kyle Orton to do things that he's not good at
> too often. Orton is a lot like Griese and they have similar weaknesses.
> But while the Bucs try to get Griese open passes over the middle, his
> strength, Turner constantly asks Orton to hit receivers deep and outside
> the numbers. Admittedly he hit some of those today but Orton isn't
> Grossman and he can't be asked to do that as often. Turner has to find
> ways to get receivers open deep over the middle like Tampa does.
> 7. Watching Brandon Lloyd in the preseason, I knew this day would come.
> It was just a matter of time before he broke out. Nice work today.
>
> Defense
>
> 1. Brian Griese does a pretty nice job selling those play action fakes.
> He had me fooled more than once from the stands.
> 2. No Brandon McGowan meant less nickel and lots of Hunter Hillenmeyer
> in coverage. He did a nice job.
> 3. Lance Briggs had a very nice game. He was all over.
> 4. Want to know why the Bucs basically did whatever they wanted on
> offense in the last 5 minutes? The Bear defense was totally exhausted.
> Hands on hips. Heavy breathing in some cases. I don't know what the time
> of possession numbers look like but it wasn't so lopsided at that point
> that I thought you could blame the offense. In any case, even considering
> Tillman's brain cramp, this was the biggest reason for the team's
> downfall. A less tired defense would have stopped the game winning drive
> and, indeed, would have stopped the game in the fourth quarter.
>
> Miscellaneous
>
> 1. It was a good thing the returner slipped on the initial kickoff
> return. He had lots of room to the left.
> 2. The Bears seemed to spend a good part of the day in decent field
> position, a nice improvement from last week.
> 3. Turnovers killed the Bears. No matter how many the defense gets, the
> Bear offense simply can't do this. Their margin for error is simply too
> small.
> 4. I'm not blaming the referees but the call in overtime which resulted
> in the continuation of Tampa Bay's game winning drive was a travesty of
> justice. To call a penalty on one Bear player in that situation and not
> recognize that both sides were throwing fists was just awful.
> 5. It's a little tough to tell what caused all of the fights and the
> chippy play. But since Tommie Harris was at the bottom of the pile much
> of the time, including the last fateful scrum, I'm going to guess that
> Tampa Bay was trying to cut him at the knees. If that's true, it explains
> a lot about Charles Tillman's penalty in over time.
> 6. Having said that... [head shake] what a terrible way to lose a
> game. Isn't anyone out there thinking with anything above their
> testicles? How can you get in a fight in a sitatution like that? How can
> you let yourself lose a game like that? Such lack of discipline is
> inexcusable. This loss was well deserved.
>
> --
> Appreciation is a wonderful thing: It makes what is excellent in others
> belong to us as well.
> -- Voltaire
>

Am 21 Sep 2008, Tom Shannon schrieb:




> 2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third
> down. How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play
> in the face of it so often, I don't know.

Lack of talent.


--
barutanseijin@gmail.com

On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
> davis' drop really hurt.  the penalty on tillman was truly a poor call. we
> prolly win w/o those 2.  the noncall of the horsecollar on lloyd was curtous
> as was lovie's, our catatonic hc, lack of a challenge on the bucs fumble on
> the ko return.  we're supposed to be deep in the defensive trenches, where
> was it.  i'd like to see some more of jamar williams.  orton is way too
> inconsistent w/ his accuracy.  lots of scapegoats in this game"Tom Shannon" <tsha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:878wtldufp.fsf@gmail.com...
>
>
>
> > Game Comments: Tampa Bay 9/21/08
> >http://chicagobearsfanforum.com/blog/?p=296
>
> > Offense
>
> >   1. The Bucs were, like everyone else, trying to stop the run first,
> > today and daring Orton to pass.  Lots of eight men in the box.  We should
> > get used to it.
> >   2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third
> > down.  How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play in
> > the face of it so often, I don't know.  But they'd better look at it
> > closely.
> >   3. I thought it was great to see an actual well-executed screen play.
> > Too bad it was immediately followed by a terrible interception on an
> > attempted middle screen.
> >   4. It was an uneven day in terms of play calling today.  There were
> > stretches like the series leading to the Bears second field goal.  Inthat
> > one, they were calling everything right and caught the Bucs in the wrong
> > defense constantly.  And then there were curious calls like the empty
> > backfield on third and one.  That was followed by a delayed handoff/draw
> > play on the next third and one.  Odd choices.
> >   5. Orton was being baited into changing the play at the line again. It
> > wasn't as bad as last week but it was still noticeable.
> >   6. I think Ron Turner asks Kyle Orton to do things that he's not good at
> > too often.  Orton is a lot like Griese and they have similar weaknesses.
> > But while the Bucs try to get Griese open passes over the middle, his
> > strength, Turner constantly asks Orton to hit receivers deep and outside
> > the numbers.  Admittedly he hit some of those today but Orton isn't
> > Grossman and he can't be asked to do that as often.  Turner has to find
> > ways to get receivers open deep over the middle like Tampa does.
> >   7. Watching Brandon Lloyd in the preseason, I knew this day would come.
> > It was just a matter of time before he broke out.  Nice work today.
>
> > Defense
>
> >   1. Brian Griese does a pretty nice job selling those play action fakes.
> > He had me fooled more than once from the stands.
> >   2. No Brandon McGowan meant less nickel and lots of Hunter Hillenmeyer
> > in coverage.  He did a nice job.
> >   3. Lance Briggs had a very nice game.  He was all over.
> >   4. Want to know why the Bucs basically did whatever they wanted on
> > offense in the last 5 minutes?  The Bear defense was totally exhausted.
> > Hands on hips.  Heavy breathing in some cases.  I don't know what the time
> > of possession numbers look like but it wasn't so lopsided at that point
> > that I thought you could blame the offense.  In any case, even considering
> > Tillman's brain cramp, this was the biggest reason for the team's
> > downfall.  A less tired defense would have stopped the game winning drive
> > and, indeed, would have stopped the game in the fourth quarter.
>
> > Miscellaneous
>
> >   1. It was a good thing the returner slipped on the initial kickoff
> > return.  He had lots of room to the left.
> >   2. The Bears seemed to spend a good part of the day in decent field
> > position, a nice improvement from last week.
> >   3. Turnovers killed the Bears.  No matter how many the defense gets, the
> > Bear offense simply can't do this.  Their margin for error is simply too
> > small.
> >   4. I'm not blaming the referees but the call in overtime which resulted
> > in the continuation of Tampa Bay's game winning drive was a travesty of
> > justice.  To call a penalty on one Bear player in that situation and not
> > recognize that both sides were throwing fists was just awful.
> >   5. It's a little tough to tell what caused all of the fights and the
> > chippy play.  But since Tommie Harris was at the bottom of the pile much
> > of the time, including the last fateful scrum, I'm going to guess that
> > Tampa Bay was trying to cut him at the knees.  If that's true, it explains
> > a lot about Charles Tillman's penalty in over time.
> >   6. Having said that...  [head shake]  what a terrible way to lose a
> > game.  Isn't anyone out there thinking with anything above their
> > testicles?  How can you get in a fight in a sitatution like that?  How can
> > you let yourself lose a game like that?  Such lack of discipline is
> > inexcusable.  This loss was well deserved.
>
> > --
> > Appreciation is a wonderful thing: It makes what is excellent in others
> > belong to us as well.
> >            -- Voltaire- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pocketing that flag was unforgivable. 1 look at the replay was enough
to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home. Throw the
flag, take a chance on getting the ball. There was absolutely no
excuse to hold onto that thing, a chance at the ball in the red zone
is worth 1 time out, every time. Even the refs were waiting for the
flag, they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
recovered the ball. They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it. We need a
better head coach.

"m60" <r.grigutis@insightbb.com> writes:

> davis' drop really hurt.

Very disappointing. I had Davis pegged as the one who was going to be
the one to make those plays this year.

Tom S.

Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something.
- Pancho Villa

Barutan Seijin <barutanseijin@gmail.com> writes:

> Am 21 Sep 2008, Tom Shannon schrieb:
>
>
>
>
>> 2. Everyone in the stadium knew when Tampa Bay was blitzing on third
>> down. How the Bears so consistently failed to execute a decent play
>> in the face of it so often, I don't know.
>
> Lack of talent.

I don't think so. I mean, I agree with the lack of talent. I just
don't think it was the major factor here.

Corners have to back off in situations like that. Short slants like
the ones the Bucs ran in those situations can go for 8 or 9 yards.
Something about the offense wasn't in sync.

Tom S.

Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something.
- Pancho Villa

> 6. Having said that... [head shake] what a terrible way to lose a
> game. Isn't anyone out there thinking with anything above their
> testicles? How can you get in a fight in a sitatution like that? How can
> you let yourself lose a game like that? Such lack of discipline is
> inexcusable. This loss was well deserved.
>


I could not agree more with that last line.

Anybody with more than a casual interest in the NFL knows that every rule
change for the past ten years has been in favor of the offense. Once a
receivers get five yards past the line he has a goddam halo around him.

So what do the Bears do about that? They overpay veteran linebackers and
refuse to aquire a decent quarterback or any decent wide receivers.

The Bears are very deserving of every loss they get due to their fucked up
way of running a team. Their idea of a first round draft pick is some guy
who cannot make it through the first day of practice and even if he comes
back and eventually plays a down he will still suck.

If the Bears had drafted Joe Flacco they could be looking at a playoff berth
and be set at quarterback for the next ten years or so. But the Bears do
not draft players like Flacco because their agents demand some incredible
contract right up front.

It is the Bears money and if they do not want to guarantee 30 million
dollars or whatever the fuck it is for a top rated prospect I really cannot
argue with how they allocate their own money. I would just like to point
out that somehow the other 31 teams in the NFL do not seem to have those
reservations about rookies. The Lions paid Calvin Johnson, the Vikings paid
Adrian Peterson, the Packers paid Aaron Rodgers even knowing that he would
be benched for a couple of seasons.

Imagine what the Bears would be if they had Johnson, Peterson, and Rodgers
starting the next game. 4-0, that is what they would look like.

Makes me mad but I guess it makes the Bears happy to have Lance Briggs as
their best player. You tell me just exactly how many games Lance Briggs is
going to win for them. None. The other teams can go over him or around him
at will.

"Benjamin" <benjamin1.49.27@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>Pocketing that flag was unforgivable. 1 look at the replay was enough
>to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home. Throw the
>flag, take a chance on getting the ball. There was absolutely no
>excuse to hold onto that thing, a chance at the ball in the red zone
>is worth 1 time out, every time. Even the refs were waiting for the
>flag, they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
>recovered the ball. They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
>they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it. We need a
>better head coach.

They showed it on the big jumbotrons 4-5 times. Stop action, reverse action,
pause, different angles. All Lovie had to do was look up.

bbison wrote:
> "Benjamin" <benjamin1.49.27@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8076e483-1c55-4d41-8295-3c2bc0896166@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>> Pocketing that flag was unforgivable. 1 look at the replay was enough
>> to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home. Throw the
>> flag, take a chance on getting the ball. There was absolutely no
>> excuse to hold onto that thing, a chance at the ball in the red zone
>> is worth 1 time out, every time. Even the refs were waiting for the
>> flag, they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
>> recovered the ball. They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
>> they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it. We need a
>> better head coach.
>
> They showed it on the big jumbotrons 4-5 times. Stop action, reverse action,
> pause, different angles. All Lovie had to do was look up.
>
>

I guess the excuse is that Lovie has lost his last few challenges
so he has lost the courage to attempt them now. The bigger
offense to me is that he took a knee at the end of the first
half. Ten out of ten times he is going to take a knee in that
situation because nothing good can come of it. At least that
what was reported in the papers this morning.

Now wait a minute here. Wasn't there a great coach who once said
that every play is designed to score a touchdown? Why don't you
run a play and try to score some points?

The thing that drives me crazy about Lovie and this coaching
staff is that they have no killer instinct. They get an opponent
down, but they don't put them away. Why can't they get that one
more score, that one last first down? Because they don't have a
pair of cajones among the whole lot of them.

Love is becoming just like Jauron. The team is going to be just
good enough to lose competitively because all the coach wants to
do is play it safe. Fer gawd's sake, grow some balls!

"Frank Sereno" <fserenonospam@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0YSBk.1361$c45.1164@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
> bbison wrote:
>> "Benjamin" <benjamin1.49.27@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8076e483-1c55-4d41-8295-3c2bc0896166@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> Pocketing that flag was unforgivable. 1 look at the replay was enough
>>> to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home. Throw the
>>> flag, take a chance on getting the ball. There was absolutely no
>>> excuse to hold onto that thing, a chance at the ball in the red zone
>>> is worth 1 time out, every time. Even the refs were waiting for the
>>> flag, they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
>>> recovered the ball. They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
>>> they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it. We need a
>>> better head coach.
>>
>> They showed it on the big jumbotrons 4-5 times. Stop action, reverse
>> action, pause, different angles. All Lovie had to do was look up.
>>
>>
>
> I guess the excuse is that Lovie has lost his last few challenges so he
> has lost the courage to attempt them now. The bigger offense to me is
> that he took a knee at the end of the first half. Ten out of ten times he
> is going to take a knee in that situation because nothing good can come of
> it. At least that what was reported in the papers this morning.
>
> Now wait a minute here. Wasn't there a great coach who once said that
> every play is designed to score a touchdown? Why don't you run a play and
> try to score some points?
>
> The thing that drives me crazy about Lovie and this coaching staff is that
> they have no killer instinct. They get an opponent down, but they don't
> put them away. Why can't they get that one more score, that one last
> first down? Because they don't have a pair of cajones among the whole lot
> of them.
>
> Love is becoming just like Jauron. The team is going to be just good
> enough to lose competitively because all the coach wants to do is play it
> safe. Fer gawd's sake, grow some balls!

If Lovie Smith had Joe Flacco playing quarterback instead of that guy they
have the Bears would be 3-0 right now.

The Bears ownership/management refuses to go for a big name, big money
player in the draft.

If you do not understand that your opinion is worthless.

The Bears suck in the talent level. Any of the eleven players the other
team lines up can be any of the Bears eleven players.

Why is this so hard to understand?

On Sep 22, 3:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Frank Sereno" <fserenonos...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:0YSBk.1361$c45.1164@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > bbison wrote:
> >> "Benjamin" <benjamin1.49...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:8076e483-1c55-4d41-8295-3c2bc0896166@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com....
> >> On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
> >>> Pocketing that flag was unforgivable.  1 look at the replay was enough
> >>> to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home.  Throw the
> >>> flag,  take a chance on getting the ball.  There was absolutely no
> >>> excuse to hold onto that thing,  a chance at the ball in the red zone
> >>> is worth 1 time out,  every time.  Even the refs were waiting forthe
> >>> flag,  they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
> >>> recovered the ball.  They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
> >>> they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it.  We need a
> >>> better head coach.
>
> >> They showed it on the big jumbotrons 4-5 times. Stop action, reverse
> >> action, pause, different angles. All Lovie had to do was look up.
>
> > I guess the excuse is that Lovie has lost his last few challenges so he
> > has lost the courage to attempt them now.  The bigger offense to me is
> > that he took a knee at the end of the first half.  Ten out of ten times he
> > is going to take a knee in that situation because nothing good can comeof
> > it.  At least that what was reported in the papers this morning.
>
> > Now wait a minute here.  Wasn't there a great coach who once said that
> > every play is designed to score a touchdown? Why don't you run a play and
> > try to score some points?
>
> > The thing that drives me crazy about Lovie and this coaching staff is that
> > they have no killer instinct.  They get an opponent down, but they don't
> > put them away.  Why can't they get that one more score, that one last
> > first down?  Because they don't have a pair of cajones among the whole lot
> > of them.
>
> > Love is becoming just like Jauron.  The team is going to be just good
> > enough to lose competitively because all the coach wants to do is play it
> > safe.  Fer gawd's sake, grow some balls!
>
> If Lovie Smith had Joe Flacco playing quarterback instead of that guy they
> have the Bears would be 3-0 right now.
>
> The Bears ownership/management refuses to go for a big name, big money
> player in the draft.
>
> If you do not understand that your opinion is worthless.
>
> The Bears suck in the talent level.  Any of the eleven players the other
> team lines up can be any of the Bears eleven players.
>
> Why is this so hard to understand?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Bears would be better with Flacco, but having an old offensive
line blocking for him is still an issue.

GenPounder wrote:
> On Sep 22, 3:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Frank Sereno" <fserenonos...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:0YSBk.1361$c45.1164@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> bbison wrote:
>>>> "Benjamin" <benjamin1.49...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:8076e483-1c55-4d41-8295-3c2bc0896166@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> Pocketing that flag was unforgivable. 1 look at the replay was enough
>>>>> to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home. Throw the
>>>>> flag, take a chance on getting the ball. There was absolutely no
>>>>> excuse to hold onto that thing, a chance at the ball in the red zone
>>>>> is worth 1 time out, every time. Even the refs were waiting for the
>>>>> flag, they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
>>>>> recovered the ball. They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
>>>>> they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it. We need a
>>>>> better head coach.
>>>> They showed it on the big jumbotrons 4-5 times. Stop action, reverse
>>>> action, pause, different angles. All Lovie had to do was look up.
>>> I guess the excuse is that Lovie has lost his last few challenges so he
>>> has lost the courage to attempt them now. The bigger offense to me is
>>> that he took a knee at the end of the first half. Ten out of ten times he
>>> is going to take a knee in that situation because nothing good can come of
>>> it. At least that what was reported in the papers this morning.
>>> Now wait a minute here. Wasn't there a great coach who once said that
>>> every play is designed to score a touchdown? Why don't you run a play and
>>> try to score some points?
>>> The thing that drives me crazy about Lovie and this coaching staff is that
>>> they have no killer instinct. They get an opponent down, but they don't
>>> put them away. Why can't they get that one more score, that one last
>>> first down? Because they don't have a pair of cajones among the whole lot
>>> of them.
>>> Love is becoming just like Jauron. The team is going to be just good
>>> enough to lose competitively because all the coach wants to do is play it
>>> safe. Fer gawd's sake, grow some balls!
>> If Lovie Smith had Joe Flacco playing quarterback instead of that guy they
>> have the Bears would be 3-0 right now.
>>
>> The Bears ownership/management refuses to go for a big name, big money
>> player in the draft.
>>
>> If you do not understand that your opinion is worthless.
>>
>> The Bears suck in the talent level. Any of the eleven players the other
>> team lines up can be any of the Bears eleven players.
>>
>> Why is this so hard to understand?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The Bears would be better with Flacco, but having an old offensive
> line blocking for him is still an issue.

The Bears didn't need a better quarterback to win the last game.
They needed the coaches to have enough will and/or courage to
take some chances, to go for the throat of an opponent instead of
going into a conservative shell when they get a lead.

GenPounder <darbygil@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sep 22, 3:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Frank Sereno" <fserenonos...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> If Lovie Smith had Joe Flacco playing quarterback instead of that guy they
>> have the Bears would be 3-0 right now.

> The Bears would be better with Flacco, but having an old offensive
> line blocking for him is still an issue.

The Bears had to take the left tackle. I won't comment on whether
they should have known that Williams medical issues were so serious.
In my experience, these back things aren't black and white issues.
But they had to take a left tackle. If nothing else, the problems
they are having right now without him tell you that anything else
would have been a serious mistake. The fact that they didn't finish
him for the year in the hopes that he'll get just a half of a season's
experience tells you that they recognize that.

Tom S.

I could prove God statistically.
- George Gallup

On Sep 23, 3:23 pm, Frank Sereno <fserenonos...@nospamsbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> GenPounder wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 3:27 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> "Frank Sereno" <fserenonos...@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:0YSBk.1361$c45.1164@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> >>> bbison wrote:
> >>>> "Benjamin" <benjamin1.49...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:8076e483-1c55-4d41-8295-3c2bc0896166@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Sep 21, 7:28 pm, "m60" <r.grigu...@insightbb.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Pocketing that flag was unforgivable.  1 look at the replay was enough
> >>>>> to make up the minds of most everybody sitting at home.  Throw the
> >>>>> flag,  take a chance on getting the ball.  There was absolutelyno
> >>>>> excuse to hold onto that thing,  a chance at the ball in the red zone
> >>>>> is worth 1 time out,  every time.  Even the refs were waiting for the
> >>>>> flag,  they purposefully DID NOT blow the whistle until the Bears
> >>>>> recovered the ball.  They were WAITING for that flag to come out so
> >>>>> they could make the correct call and Lovie choked on it.  We needa
> >>>>> better head coach.
> >>>> They showed it on the big jumbotrons 4-5 times. Stop action, reverse
> >>>> action, pause, different angles. All Lovie had to do was look up.
> >>> I guess the excuse is that Lovie has lost his last few challenges so he
> >>> has lost the courage to attempt them now.  The bigger offense to meis
> >>> that he took a knee at the end of the first half.  Ten out of ten times he
> >>> is going to take a knee in that situation because nothing good can come of
> >>> it.  At least that what was reported in the papers this morning.
> >>> Now wait a minute here.  Wasn't there a great coach who once said that
> >>> every play is designed to score a touchdown? Why don't you run a playand
> >>> try to score some points?
> >>> The thing that drives me crazy about Lovie and this coaching staff isthat
> >>> they have no killer instinct.  They get an opponent down, but they don't
> >>> put them away.  Why can't they get that one more score, that one last
> >>> first down?  Because they don't have a pair of cajones among the whole lot
> >>> of them.
> >>> Love is becoming just like Jauron.  The team is going to be just good
> >>> enough to lose competitively because all the coach wants to do is play it
> >>> safe.  Fer gawd's sake, grow some balls!
> >> If Lovie Smith had Joe Flacco playing quarterback instead of that guy they
> >> have the Bears would be 3-0 right now.
>
> >> The Bears ownership/management refuses to go for a big name, big money
> >> player in the draft.
>
> >> If you do not understand that your opinion is worthless.
>
> >> The Bears suck in the talent level.  Any of the eleven players the other
> >> team lines up can be any of the Bears eleven players.
>
> >> Why is this so hard to understand?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Bears would be better with Flacco, but having an old offensive
> > line blocking for him is still an issue.
>
> The Bears didn't need a better quarterback to win the last game.
>   They needed the coaches to have enough will and/or courage to
> take some chances, to go for the throat of an opponent instead of
> going into a conservative shell when they get a lead.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My wife doesn't know much about football but the comment she made to
me after the game was right on point:

"When was the last time the Bears defense lost them a game?"

Early in the game getting a TO in the red zone and only getting a
field goal hurt. You have to turn those into TDs. There are a lot of
things that are wrong with this team right now on both sides of the
ball. Lovie Smith is to blame but so is Angelo. He has made some
questionable decisions over the last few years with their draft picks.