Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
so far.

On 17 Sep, 10:41, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> so far.

Oarsport will be offering finance in the next few weeks on our range
of WinTech self-bailing boats and for those wanting a package of
WinTech boat/C2 oars/NK electronics in one hit. I will announce here
when this is available.

Andrew Wilson,
Oarsport Ltd. Nottingham.
0115 981 8184
www.oarsport.co.uk

On Sep 17, 9:41 pm, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> so far.

Have you asked them directly either by phone or e-mail?
W

On Sep 17, 9:20 pm, wmart...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 17, 9:41 pm, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> > manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> > look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> > so far.
>
> Have you asked them directly either by phone or e-mail?
> W

No I havent yet, I was mostly just curious if anyone had any
experience if getting finance whe buying a single scull!

>Oarsport will be offering finance in the next few weeks on our range
>of WinTech self-bailing boats and for those wanting a package of
>WinTech boat/C2 oars/NK electronics in one hit. I will announce here
>when this is available.


Thanks for the message Andrew, ill keep an eye out for that! Unless im
able to sort something out in the meantime.

On Sep 18, 7:54 am, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 9:20 pm, wmart...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Sep 17, 9:41 pm, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> > > manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> > > look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> > > so far.
>
> > Have you asked them directly either by phone or e-mail?
> > W
>
> No I havent yet, I was mostly just curious if anyone had any
> experience if getting finance whe buying a single scull!
>
> >Oarsport will be offering finance in the next few weeks on our range
> >of WinTech self-bailing boats and for those wanting a package of
> >WinTech boat/C2 oars/NK electronics in one hit.  I will announce here
> >when this is available.
>
> Thanks for the message Andrew, ill keep an eye out for that! Unless im
> able to sort something out in the meantime.

I'm guessing that probably the only way you could finance a single
would be to take out a personal loan with the bank as you would if you
were buying a car for example

however given the turmoil in the banking industry at the moment you
will be lucky to get approval for a loan for a packet of staples :-)

good luck let us know how you get on

On Sep 17, 10:41 am, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> so far.

I do finance for my boats. You trailed one of them and as you like my
boats contact me direct.

Gunther
CRS -BHD Ltd.

crs_rowing@btinternet.com wrote:
> On Sep 17, 10:41 am, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
>> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
>> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
>> so far.
>
> I do finance for my boats. You trailed one of them and as you like my
> boats contact me direct.
>
> Gunther
> CRS -BHD Ltd.

A search at Companies House:
http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation". It shows
no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd. Nor does a search of proposed company
names provide enlightenment. There is an architectural services company
in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.

Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
"CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies House?

Thanks -
Carl

--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
> crs_row...@btinternet.com wrote:
> > On Sep 17, 10:41 am, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> >> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> >> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> >> so far.
>
> > I do finance for my boats. You trailed one of them and as you like my
> > boats contact me direct.
>
> > Gunther
> > CRS -BHD Ltd.
>
> A search at Companies House:
>    http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
> shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation".  It shows
> no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd.  Nor does a search of proposed company
> names provide enlightenment.  There is an architectural services company
> in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>
> Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
> provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
> "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies House?
>
> Thanks -
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Douglas Racing Shells        -
>      Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
> Write:   Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
> Find:    http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
> Email: c...@carldouglas.co.uk  Tel: +44(0)1932-570946  Fax: -563682
> URLs:  www.carldouglas.co.uk(boats) &www.aerowing.co.uk(riggers)

I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Best regards,

Gunther Borutta
CRS – BHD Ltd.

crs_rowing@btinternet.com wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:

>> A search at Companies House:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
>> shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation". It shows
>> no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd. Nor does a search of proposed company
>> names provide enlightenment. There is an architectural services company
>> in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>>
>> Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
>> provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
>> "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies House?

>
> I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
> Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
> statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
> The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Maybe not, but the fact that Companies House can't find a "limited"
company means a lot. And as to slander (you probably mean libel),
establishing the truth of what was uttered is a complete defence.

You can easily stop this thread dead: explain what kind of an entity
"CRS-BHD Ltd" is, and how (if at all) it relates to the liquidated
company called CRS Cambridge Racing Shells.

--

Henry Law Manchester, England

crs_rowing@btinternet.com wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
>> crs_row...@btinternet.com wrote:
>>> On Sep 17, 10:41 am, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
>>>> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
>>>> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
>>>> so far.
>>> I do finance for my boats. You trailed one of them and as you like my
>>> boats contact me direct.
>>> Gunther
>>> CRS -BHD Ltd.
>> A search at Companies House:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
>> shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation". It shows
>> no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd. Nor does a search of proposed company
>> names provide enlightenment. There is an architectural services company
>> in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>>
>> Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
>> provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
>> "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies House?
>>
>> Thanks -
>> Carl
>>
>> --
>> Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
>> Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
>> Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
>> Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
>> Email: c...@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
>> URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk(boats) &www.aerowing.co.uk(riggers)
>
> I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
> Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
> statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
> The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gunther Borutta
> CRS – BHD Ltd.


--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

Henry Law wrote:
> crs_rowing@btinternet.com wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> A search at Companies House:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
>>> shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation". It shows
>>> no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd. Nor does a search of proposed company
>>> names provide enlightenment. There is an architectural services company
>>> in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>>>
>>> Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
>>> provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
>>> "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies House?
>
>>
>> I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
>> Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
>> statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
>> The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
>
> Maybe not, but the fact that Companies House can't find a "limited"
> company means a lot. And as to slander (you probably mean libel),
> establishing the truth of what was uttered is a complete defence.
>
> You can easily stop this thread dead: explain what kind of an entity
> "CRS-BHD Ltd" is, and how (if at all) it relates to the liquidated
> company called CRS Cambridge Racing Shells.
>

The only one to make unfounded claims has been Gunther who, for example,
libelled Du Pont by falsely denigrating their excellent product, Kevlar
(TM), on his 2KV website.

Gunther -
There's no need to get so excited. If your supposed company really does
exist, you have only to explain how & where it is registered & why it
does not show at Companies House. If you can show that it's entirely
kosher, that'll be fine. Otherwise, you have a real problem.

BTW, it is my understanding (& you are most welcome to correct me if you
can) that your past business ventures in rowing have proven somewhat
costly to others. If so, wouldn't it be better to use any spare funds
you might possess in defraying their losses before starting to offer
finance to others.

Meanwhile, it's a very tedious habit of yours to start spitting tacks
whenever I ask legitimate questions of you.

Cheers -
Carl

--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

Well, it is the first news from CRS in years. Always interrested in
new players on the spot, but CRS Netherlands has only the "coming soon
- see our English site".
ofcourse this is not the only sign of vitality, but "dead sites" are
no good sign. Photoshopped pictures neigther; I can see a man in a
stiff boat but what is the weight of a man without a shadow?
Bernard

Carl Douglas wrote:
> Henry Law wrote:
>> crs_rowing@btinternet.com wrote:
>>> On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> A search at Companies House:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
>>>> shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation". It shows
>>>> no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd. Nor does a search of proposed company
>>>> names provide enlightenment. There is an architectural services
>>>> company
>>>> in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>>>>
>>>> Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
>>>> provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
>>>> "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies
>>>> House?
>>
>>>
>>> I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
>>> Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
>>> statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
>>> The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
>>
>> Maybe not, but the fact that Companies House can't find a "limited"
>> company means a lot. And as to slander (you probably mean libel),
>> establishing the truth of what was uttered is a complete defence.
>>
>> You can easily stop this thread dead: explain what kind of an entity
>> "CRS-BHD Ltd" is, and how (if at all) it relates to the liquidated
>> company called CRS Cambridge Racing Shells.
>>
>
> The only one to make unfounded claims has been Gunther who, for example,
> libelled Du Pont by falsely denigrating their excellent product, Kevlar
> (TM), on his 2KV website.
>
> Gunther -
> There's no need to get so excited. If your supposed company really does
> exist, you have only to explain how & where it is registered & why it
> does not show at Companies House. If you can show that it's entirely
> kosher, that'll be fine. Otherwise, you have a real problem.
>
> BTW, it is my understanding (& you are most welcome to correct me if you
> can) that your past business ventures in rowing have proven somewhat
> costly to others. If so, wouldn't it be better to use any spare funds
> you might possess in defraying their losses before starting to offer
> finance to others.
>
> Meanwhile, it's a very tedious habit of yours to start spitting tacks
> whenever I ask legitimate questions of you.
>
> Cheers -
> Carl
>

I was going to mention this months ago, but it seemed unfair to kick
someone while they were down. However, since CRS (or its [re]incarnation
CRS-BHD) is apparently still 'up', I'll tell you now.

Last year, CRS lent us one of its boats for a month, and I wrote about
my experiences on this group. Overall, I liked it, but there were a few
small issues - not trivial, but within reason for an
early-production-run demonstration boat. Mr Borutta took offence at my
article.
So far, I don't really have any complaints - after all, Mr Borutta has
put a lot of work into designing the CRS range of boats, and I'm sure I
would be annoyed if someone had criticised my work. What really made me
angry, however, was the route he took to try and rectify the situation.
I always post under my own name, using a real (and unobfuscated) email
address. Anyone who disagrees with the opinions I express here is
welcome to voice that disagreement, either publicly on r.s.r or
privately via email. However, he did not take either of these routes.
Instead, he rang up our coach and demanded that I retract the offending
article. After I explained that this was technically impossible, I was
given a "clarification" article which I posted here verbatim, after
which I was forbidden from having anything to do with r.s.r or any other
online forum on pain of being excluded from the squad.
Other people might disagree with me here, but I do not consider
blackmail to be a legitimate business practice and therefore, despite
the many merits of their boats, I was glad to hear that CRS was in
liquidation.

Chris

P.S. I suppose that, since trialling started today, I'm now risking
getting kicked out of this year's squad. (You must admit, Gunther has
impeccable timing). However, new entrants will still be accepted for a
couple of weeks - does anyone know of any good disguises that won't fall
off during an erg test?

Oh, altough living in Holland and verry keen on all dutch rowing news
I missed the following news
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/Boat-thefts-scupper-top-team39s.2133491.jp
I only have seen Dutch national team rowers in Empachers, Filippi,
Hudson, Carl Douglas and Wintech (juniors) boats.
Quite amazing this news never reached Dutch rowers.

>
> I was going to mention this months ago, but it seemed unfair to kick
> someone while they were down. However, since CRS (or its [re]incarnation
> CRS-BHD) is apparently still 'up', I'll tell you now.
>
> Last year, CRS lent us one of its boats for a month, and I wrote about
> my experiences on this group. Overall, I liked it, but there were a few
> small issues - not trivial, but within reason for an
> early-production-run demonstration boat. Mr Borutta took offence at my
> article.
> So far, I don't really have any complaints - after all, Mr Borutta has
> put a lot of work into designing the CRS range of boats, and I'm sure I
> would be annoyed if someone had criticised my work. What really made me
> angry, however, was the route he took to try and rectify the situation.
> I always post under my own name, using a real (and unobfuscated) email
> address. Anyone who disagrees with the opinions I express here is
> welcome to voice that disagreement, either publicly on r.s.r or
> privately via email. However, he did not take either of these routes.
> Instead, he rang up our coach and demanded that I retract the offending
> article. After I explained that this was technically impossible, I was
> given a "clarification" article which I posted here verbatim, after
> which I was forbidden from having anything to do with r.s.r or any other
> online forum on pain of being excluded from the squad.
> Other people might disagree with me here, but I do not consider
> blackmail to be a legitimate business practice and therefore, despite
> the many merits of their boats, I was glad to hear that CRS was in
> liquidation.
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. I suppose that, since trialling started today, I'm now risking
> getting kicked out of this year's squad. (You must admit, Gunther has
> impeccable timing). However, new entrants will still be accepted for a
> couple of weeks - does anyone know of any good disguises that won't fall
> off during an erg test?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

chris

I find this post quite shocking. I am not privy to whats happened to
CRS and appalled by the actions of this Borutta guy BUT I would if I
where at your club I'd have some big issues about your coach. Voicing
opinions on boats or boat builders should not have any influence as to
your status in a rowing squad - surely the only opinion there is
whether you can or cannot move a boat.

I would urge you this to bring this to the attention of the committee
of your rowing club, if I were on the committtee I'd be questioning
whether I'd like such an individual coaching at the club I'm a member
of

if though the attitude and actions of this coach which frankly stink
are sanctioned by the committee, I'd be looking to row elsewhere

martin

C.J. Kerr wrote:
> Carl Douglas wrote:
>> Henry Law wrote:
>>> crs_rowing@btinternet.com wrote:
>>>> On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A search at Companies House:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
>>>>> shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation". It shows
>>>>> no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd. Nor does a search of proposed company
>>>>> names provide enlightenment. There is an architectural services
>>>>> company
>>>>> in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
>>>>> provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability
>>>>> company
>>>>> "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies
>>>>> House?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
>>>> Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
>>>> statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
>>>> The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
>>>
>>> Maybe not, but the fact that Companies House can't find a "limited"
>>> company means a lot. And as to slander (you probably mean libel),
>>> establishing the truth of what was uttered is a complete defence.
>>>
>>> You can easily stop this thread dead: explain what kind of an entity
>>> "CRS-BHD Ltd" is, and how (if at all) it relates to the liquidated
>>> company called CRS Cambridge Racing Shells.
>>>
>> The only one to make unfounded claims has been Gunther who, for
>> example, libelled Du Pont by falsely denigrating their excellent
>> product, Kevlar (TM), on his 2KV website.
>>
>> Gunther -
>> There's no need to get so excited. If your supposed company really
>> does exist, you have only to explain how & where it is registered &
>> why it does not show at Companies House. If you can show that it's
>> entirely kosher, that'll be fine. Otherwise, you have a real problem.
>>
>> BTW, it is my understanding (& you are most welcome to correct me if
>> you can) that your past business ventures in rowing have proven
>> somewhat costly to others. If so, wouldn't it be better to use any
>> spare funds you might possess in defraying their losses before
>> starting to offer finance to others.
>>
>> Meanwhile, it's a very tedious habit of yours to start spitting tacks
>> whenever I ask legitimate questions of you.
>>
>> Cheers -
>> Carl
>>
>
> I was going to mention this months ago, but it seemed unfair to kick
> someone while they were down. However, since CRS (or its [re]incarnation
> CRS-BHD) is apparently still 'up', I'll tell you now.
>
> Last year, CRS lent us one of its boats for a month, and I wrote about
> my experiences on this group. Overall, I liked it, but there were a few
> small issues - not trivial, but within reason for an
> early-production-run demonstration boat. Mr Borutta took offence at my
> article.
> So far, I don't really have any complaints - after all, Mr Borutta has
> put a lot of work into designing the CRS range of boats, and I'm sure I
> would be annoyed if someone had criticised my work. What really made me
> angry, however, was the route he took to try and rectify the situation.
> I always post under my own name, using a real (and unobfuscated) email
> address. Anyone who disagrees with the opinions I express here is
> welcome to voice that disagreement, either publicly on r.s.r or
> privately via email. However, he did not take either of these routes.
> Instead, he rang up our coach and demanded that I retract the offending
> article. After I explained that this was technically impossible, I was
> given a "clarification" article which I posted here verbatim, after
> which I was forbidden from having anything to do with r.s.r or any other
> online forum on pain of being excluded from the squad.
> Other people might disagree with me here, but I do not consider
> blackmail to be a legitimate business practice and therefore, despite
> the many merits of their boats, I was glad to hear that CRS was in
> liquidation.
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. I suppose that, since trialling started today, I'm now risking
> getting kicked out of this year's squad. (You must admit, Gunther has
> impeccable timing). However, new entrants will still be accepted for a
> couple of weeks - does anyone know of any good disguises that won't fall
> off during an erg test?

Very interesting & highly disturbing, Chris.

I too have been on the sharp end of some deeply unsubtle attempts to
force me off what Gunther regards as his own grass. Not being a
university student whose sport & studies could be compromised by their
saying the truth (shades of January 2001, at another old university, for
those who know my meaning), I had no compunction in telling certain
individuals to go hang.

And I recall a long conversation with a trade victim of his (not me!)
whom he was shafting financially (just as CRS was starting to slide
under the waves) by claiming that the spec. of the aluminium used in
fittings supplied to Gunther's own specification was inferior. This,
according to Gunther's unfounded claim, resulted in greater flexibility
in those fittings. Anyone who knows their metallurgy knows that all
alloys of aluminium have closely similar tensile moduli, but very
different ultimate & proof strengths. Thus the flexibility of an
aluminium alloy structure depends only on design, & using the wrong
alloy or grade will result in permanent deformation at a lower loading,
not the greater flexibility alleged by Gunther & again to me in writing
by a commercial partner of his.

I wonder - did someone within the management or coaching structure of
Chris's club have a few quid riding on CRS before it fell.......?

It stinks.

I was also disturbed to hear, shortly after CRS went under, that someone
was going round offering supposedly new CRS boats for sale which, one
might have thought, ought to have been handed to the liquidator as
assets of the company.

BTW - did they ever find that missing trailer & CRS boat? I hope so,
since IME stolen boats do usually turn up again.

Carl
--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

On 20 Sep, 16:16, crs_row...@btinternet.com wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:00 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > crs_row...@btinternet.com wrote:
> > > On Sep 17, 10:41 am, Stelph <ste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Just out of curisoty, does anyone know if any of the boat
> > >> manufacturers offer finance deals on their range of boats? Ive had a
> > >> look at a couple of the UK manufacturers but I havent found anything
> > >> so far.
>
> > > I do finance for my boats. You trailed one of them and as you like my
> > > boats contact me direct.
>
> > > Gunther
> > > CRS -BHD Ltd.
>
> > A search at Companies House:
> >    http://tinyurl.com/3o7qj2
> > shows CRS Cambridge Racing Shells as being "in liquidation".  It shows
> > no such company as CRS-BHD Ltd.  Nor does a search of proposed company
> > names provide enlightenment.  There is an architectural services company
> > in Maidenhead, Berks, by the name of BHD Ltd.
>
> > Please explain the existence of & trading activities (including the
> > provision of credit facilities) by a supposed limited liability company
> > "CRS-BHD Ltd." since it appears not to be registered at Companies House?
>
> > Thanks -
> > Carl
>
> > --
> > Carl Douglas Racing Shells        -
> >      Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
> > Write:   Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
> > Find:    http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
> > Email: c...@carldouglas.co.uk  Tel: +44(0)1932-570946  Fax: -563682
> > URLs:  www.carldouglas.co.uk(boats) &www.aerowing.co.uk(riggers)
>
> I appreciate very much if you would mind your own business Mr.
> Douglas. You done a lot of damage to me in the past with slanderous
> statements you must be extremely worried about me as a competitor.
> The fact that you can’t find something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gunther Borutta
> CRS – BHD Ltd.

That's hilarious!

Now...if only one could buy a CD VIII...

Meanwhile, I guess I'd best keep saving up for that single ;)

Sarah

martin@tokyoleasing.co.uk wrote:
>> I was going to mention this months ago, but it seemed unfair to kick
>> someone while they were down. However, since CRS (or its [re]incarnation
>> CRS-BHD) is apparently still 'up', I'll tell you now.
>>
>> Last year, CRS lent us one of its boats for a month, and I wrote about
>> my experiences on this group. Overall, I liked it, but there were a few
>> small issues - not trivial, but within reason for an
>> early-production-run demonstration boat. Mr Borutta took offence at my
>> article.
>> So far, I don't really have any complaints - after all, Mr Borutta has
>> put a lot of work into designing the CRS range of boats, and I'm sure I
>> would be annoyed if someone had criticised my work. What really made me
>> angry, however, was the route he took to try and rectify the situation.
>> I always post under my own name, using a real (and unobfuscated) email
>> address. Anyone who disagrees with the opinions I express here is
>> welcome to voice that disagreement, either publicly on r.s.r or
>> privately via email. However, he did not take either of these routes.
>> Instead, he rang up our coach and demanded that I retract the offending
>> article. After I explained that this was technically impossible, I was
>> given a "clarification" article which I posted here verbatim, after
>> which I was forbidden from having anything to do with r.s.r or any other
>> online forum on pain of being excluded from the squad.
>> Other people might disagree with me here, but I do not consider
>> blackmail to be a legitimate business practice and therefore, despite
>> the many merits of their boats, I was glad to hear that CRS was in
>> liquidation.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> P.S. I suppose that, since trialling started today, I'm now risking
>> getting kicked out of this year's squad. (You must admit, Gunther has
>> impeccable timing). However, new entrants will still be accepted for a
>> couple of weeks - does anyone know of any good disguises that won't fall
>> off during an erg test?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> chris
>
> I find this post quite shocking. I am not privy to whats happened to
> CRS and appalled by the actions of this Borutta guy BUT I would if I
> where at your club I'd have some big issues about your coach. Voicing
> opinions on boats or boat builders should not have any influence as to
> your status in a rowing squad - surely the only opinion there is
> whether you can or cannot move a boat.
>
> I would urge you this to bring this to the attention of the committee
> of your rowing club, if I were on the committtee I'd be questioning
> whether I'd like such an individual coaching at the club I'm a member
> of
>


I am on the committee (as Secretary) and I do want "this individual" to
continue coaching. I was seriously annoyed by this incident, but
ultimately one of the most important aspects of being part of a squad is
putting aside grudges and resentment for the greater good. You say the
only important thing is whether I can or cannot move a boat - similarly,
the only (or at least most) important consideration when choosing a
coach is whether they can make you move the boat faster.

Chris

I am shocked, honestly. However I do wonder how seriously that threat
would have been taken. I'd be very surprised if there wouldn't have
been uproar had you been dropped for those comments - which wouldn't
have looked good for either the club or the HBRs... Given the comments
were balanced (I read them at the time) and online (so viewable) I
suspect the University would have had a problem not to have backed
your corner.


> Other people might disagree with me here, but I do not consider
> blackmail to be a legitimate business practice and therefore, despite
> the many merits of their boats, I was glad to hear that CRS was in
> liquidation.
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. I suppose that, since trialling started today, I'm now risking
> getting kicked out of this year's squad. (You must admit, Gunther has
> impeccable timing). However, new entrants will still be accepted for a
> couple of weeks - does anyone know of any good disguises that won't fall
> off during an erg test?

You could always grow a beard and dye your hair?

Sarah

Carl Douglas wrote:

>
> I wonder - did someone within the management or coaching structure of
> Chris's club have a few quid riding on CRS before it fell.......?
>

I don't think anyone goes into CULRC hoping to make a profit. I realise
that you know from bitter experience that many people high up in the
hierarchy of rowing administration could not be said to have the best
interests of others at heart, but the vast majority of people I have met
in rowing are at worst occasionally misguided, so one should not always
assume that venal self-interest lies behind all their actions.

Obviously I don't know the exact details of that phone conversation, but
I wouldn't be surprised if the contents of my posting were misrepresented.
AIUI, the issue as far as our coach was concerned was that I was being
ungrateful - CRS had lent us this boat for free and I had publicly made
disparaging remarks about it. This supposedly damaged the reputation of
the club, and since the club relies on the generosity of many people and
organisations and the cooperation of many more, a reputation for not
betraying others' generosity is very important to us. Perhaps he
overreacted, but his concerns were perfectly understandable.

Chris

Sarah F wrote:
> I am shocked, honestly. However I do wonder how seriously that threat
> would have been taken. I'd be very surprised if there wouldn't have
> been uproar had you been dropped for those comments - which wouldn't
> have looked good for either the club or the HBRs... Given the comments
> were balanced (I read them at the time) and online (so viewable) I
> suspect the University would have had a problem not to have backed
> your corner.
>
>

>
> You could always grow a beard and dye your hair?
>
> Sarah

Well, if I thought the threat was really serious I wouldn't have written
about it yesterday. Yes, I could have kicked up a fuss, but that would
have annoyed a lot of people and generally been counterproductive. As I
mentioned earlier, sometimes you just have to take one for the team.

Chris

bernard s wrote:
> Oh, altough living in Holland and verry keen on all dutch rowing news
> I missed the following news
> http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/Boat-thefts-scupper-top-team39s.2133491.jp
> I only have seen Dutch national team rowers in Empachers, Filippi,
> Hudson, Carl Douglas and Wintech (juniors) boats.
> Quite amazing this news never reached Dutch rowers.

Nor, it seems, was this loss registered with:
www.stolenboats.org.uk
the best-known of sites for lodging details of insured lost boats.

Were they ever recovered, Gunther, & if so, where are they now?

Cheers -
Carl

--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

The question that seems to have been deflected from though, is what is
CRS-BHD Ltd?

It's not a UK company, so what country is it registered in (if any)?

The next question is, if CRS is in liquidation, which it clearly is,
would be why is someone who was connected with it trading using a name
so similar as to suggest a connection with it?