Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.

Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638

D.Flynn wrote:
> Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
Lame gimmick; boxing is on life support.

On Sep 14, 2:29 am, Anthony Williams <TruthSee...@swbell.net> wrote:
> D.Flynn wrote:
> > Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> > four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> > Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
> >  http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
> Lame gimmick; boxing is on life support.

This doesn't make any sense to me. The typical boxing card has what?
2-3 fights, each scheduled for 12 rounds? In a 3 hour PPV, how can
you work the fights?

1 Boxing match - 12 rounds - time allotment, 1 hour (intros, 36
minutes fighting, 12 minutes rest, official decision)

Non-title MMA match - 30 minutes (intros, 15 minutes fighting, 3
minutes between round, official decision)

Title MMA - - 45 minutes (intros, 25 minutes fighting, 5 minutes
between round, official decision)

That's 2 hours and 15 minutes for 3 fights. You sneak another non MMA
fight in there, and you have a 4 fight card, that's anchored with 1
boxing match. What MMA fan will pay $50 for 3 fights, and an
irrelevant (to an MMA fan) boxing match? And what boxing fan will pay
$50 for 1 boxing match, and 3 irrelevant MMA matches?

I guess they are assuming the markets converge quite a bit, but I
don't see it. Unless they have a large pre-lim card, and insert them
into the PPV as fights are stopped before going to decision. But then
you have a lot of people that are being paid that won't necessarily
make TV.

Am I missing something? How do you maximize the fights available, and
appeal to both markets?

yugffuts wrote:
> Anthony Williams <TruthSee...@swbell.net> wrote:
> > D.Flynn wrote:
> > > Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to
> > > present four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2
> > > mma.
> >
> > > Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
> >
> > > http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
> >
> > Lame gimmick; boxing is on life support.
>
> This doesn't make any sense to me. The typical boxing card has what?
> 2-3 fights, each scheduled for 12 rounds? In a 3 hour PPV, how can
> you work the fights?
>
> 1 Boxing match - 12 rounds - time allotment, 1 hour (intros, 36
> minutes fighting, 12 minutes rest, official decision)
>
> Non-title MMA match - 30 minutes (intros, 15 minutes fighting, 3
> minutes between round, official decision)
>
> Title MMA - - 45 minutes (intros, 25 minutes fighting, 5 minutes
> between round, official decision)
>
> That's 2 hours and 15 minutes for 3 fights. You sneak another non MMA
> fight in there, and you have a 4 fight card, that's anchored with 1
> boxing match. What MMA fan will pay $50 for 3 fights, and an
> irrelevant (to an MMA fan) boxing match? And what boxing fan will pay
> $50 for 1 boxing match, and 3 irrelevant MMA matches?
>
> I guess they are assuming the markets converge quite a bit, but I
> don't see it. Unless they have a large pre-lim card, and insert them
> into the PPV as fights are stopped before going to decision. But then
> you have a lot of people that are being paid that won't necessarily
> make TV.
>
> Am I missing something? How do you maximize the fights available, and
> appeal to both markets?

Actually, a PPV boxing card usually has 4 or 5 bouts, with only the
last 2 being 12-round title bouts. The first 2 or 3 are only 4, 6 or 8
rounds- and often there's a quick KO. So they have other short "fill in"
bouts to take up the time so that those last 2 title bouts take place
after 10:30 PM ET. The card (if the 2 title bouts go the distance) ends
around 12:30-1 A.M. ET.

On Sep 14, 4:36 pm, yugffuts <tomcarie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2:29 am, Anthony Williams <TruthSee...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> > D.Flynn wrote:
> > > Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> > > four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> > > Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
> > >  http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
> > Lame gimmick; boxing is on life support.
>
> This doesn't make any sense to me.  The typical boxing card has what?
> 2-3 fights, each scheduled for 12 rounds?  In a 3 hour PPV, how can
> you work the fights?

The typical boxing ppv has 3-4 bouts but not all are 12 rounders. As
mma fights are usually shorter they could make a card w/two boxing and
three mma matchups.


 What MMA fan will pay $50 for 3 fights, and an
> irrelevant (to an MMA fan) boxing match?  And what boxing fan will pay
> $50 for 1 boxing match, and 3 irrelevant MMA matches?

During the last 2 decades tens of millions of boxing fans have shelled
out $ for ppvs w/crappy undercards that they cared nothing for. While
I'm no expert on mma I'm sure they've also had ppvs where some of the
buyers were only interested in the main event.

So if de la Hoya matches a great mma main event w/a great boxing
match, it should sell w/fans of both sports regardless of the
undercard.

"yugffuts" <tomcariello@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f31d96c5-ab81-4967-b258-c4dfdc2029d4@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>1 Boxing match - 12 rounds - time allotment, 1 hour (intros, 36
minutes fighting, 12 minutes rest, official decision)<

Close, but there are actually 11 minutes between rounds.

>Non-title MMA match - 30 minutes (intros, 15 minutes fighting, 3
minutes between round, official decision)<

Close again, but this one is just 2 minutes between rounds.

>Title MMA - - 45 minutes (intros, 25 minutes fighting, 5 minutes
between round, official decision)<

I'm beginning to see a pattern.

On Sep 13, 10:51 pm, "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote:
> Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
>  http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638

What the hell is boxing? I can't recall that term used where anyone
actually paid money to see in a long time? LMFAO!

"ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40958919-c4ef-4c70-8e93-71803c2734ba@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...


>What the hell is boxing? I can't recall that term used where anyone
>actually paid money to see in a long time? LMFAO!


It's a shame really. I like the sport and have some good memories watching
some of the Ali fights in the 70s, Hagler/Hearns/Leonard after that, and
then Roy Jones/Tyson after that. Evander Holyfield, while not one of the
all time greats, showed as much heart in his fight with Riddick Bowe as I've
ever seen. Even the cheesy weekly shows from the Blue Horizon were
entertaining.

I'm approaching the point where few things amaze me anymore, but I am amazed
that the sport of boxing has remained so corrupt, mismanaged, and organized
haphazardly for so long. Big time bouts, especially heavyweights with
iconic fighters such as Tyson in his prime, are events that bring in others
who don't even follow the sport. We've had big parties in the past centered
around big boxing matches.

I think boxing is still a legitimate and enternaing sport, but a boxing/MMA
card does seem gimmicky. It's nice to see some innovation, though, and I
hope it works.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:33:19 -0700 (PDT), ULB
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sep 13, 10:51 pm, "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote:
>> Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
>> four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>>
>> Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>>
>>  http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
>What the hell is boxing? I can't recall that term used where anyone
>actually paid money to see in a long time? LMFAO!

Are you looking for a definition of boxing or just trying to make some
obscure/esoteric point?

DCI

On Sep 18, 8:20 pm, ne...@millions.com wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:33:19 -0700 (PDT), ULB
>
> <ultralightbackpac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 13, 10:51 pm, "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> >> four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> >> Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
> >>  http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
> >What the hell is boxing?  I can't recall that term used where anyone
> >actually paid money to see in a long time?  LMFAO!
>
> Are you looking for a definition of boxing or just trying to make some
> obscure/esoteric point?
>
> DCI

Judging by his post I'd guess he's looking for an English language
instructor.

On Sep 18, 9:24 pm, "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 8:20 pm, ne...@millions.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:33:19 -0700 (PDT), ULB
>
> > <ultralightbackpac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On Sep 13, 10:51 pm, "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote:
> > >> Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> > >> four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> > >> Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
> > >>  http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
> > >What the hell is boxing?  I can't recall that term used where anyone
> > >actually paid money to see in a long time?  LMFAO!
>
> > Are you looking for a definition of boxing or just trying to make some
> > obscure/esoteric point?
>
> > DCI
>
> Judging by his post I'd guess he's looking for an English language
> instructor.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The fact is; Boxing is a much superior contest on every level. There
are probably millions of kids who have never seen anything but MMA –
and mixing in Boxing matches will give it the exposure it needs.

It takes much more character to stand toe to toe with a man for eight
or ten rounds than it does to take him to the floor. Even MMA fighters
acknowledge that.

The difference will become apparent over time. It’s a brilliant move
by De La Hoya. Great insight; great foresight.

www.BoxingArts.com

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Sequitorian
<Seq@sequitoria.com> wrote:


>
>The fact is; Boxing is a much superior contest on every level. There
>are probably millions of kids who have never seen anything but MMA –
>and mixing in Boxing matches will give it the exposure it needs.
>
>It takes much more character to stand toe to toe with a man for eight
>or ten rounds than it does to take him to the floor. Even MMA fighters
>acknowledge that.
>
>The difference will become apparent over time. It’s a brilliant move
>by De La Hoya. Great insight; great foresight.
>
>www.BoxingArts.com


Oscar De La Hoya is case of a young kid becoming a business phenom in
the community. What he has done with his earnings from boxing seems
incredible until you understand that he is rather intelligent, goal
oriented, and has good advisors in his corner.

If Mike Tyson had any smarts rather than a screwed up libido, what
could he have done with his rearned millions.

DCI

I dread posting this in both UFC & boxing, but...

http://www.mmanews.com/other/Affliction-Golden-Boy-Partnership-Not-So-Tight.html

"The idea of both sports on the same card was heavily criticized,
which Schaefer acknowledged was part of the decision. "We want to get
to know the MMA market better and truly evaluate if there are
synergies between the two sports," he said. "We are planning to do
some focus groups where we will ask boxing and MMA fans how they would
feel about it. '

So...they will do their market research AFTER signing the deal. The
incompetence is amazing.

On Oct 26, 1:03 am, yugffuts <tomcarie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I dread posting this in both UFC & boxing, but...
>
> http://www.mmanews.com/other/Affliction-Golden-Boy-Partnership-Not-So...
>
> "The idea of both sports on the same card was heavily criticized,
> which Schaefer acknowledged was part of the decision. "We want to get
> to know the MMA market better and truly evaluate if there are
> synergies between the two sports," he said. "We are planning to do
> some focus groups where we will ask boxing and MMA fans how they would
> feel about it. '
>
> So...they will do their market research AFTER signing the deal.  The
> incompetence is amazing.

So now Richard Schaeffer is backing off his plan to present a mixed
boxing/mma card because he was criticized by a few nay-sayers? What a
wuss.

Schaeffer could have made history and the ppv probably would have
made $ even if only due to curiosity.

"D.Flynn" <gunk7@msn.com> wrote in message
news:f6e2ec1c-4d5a-495a-9042-d90957068412@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638


No its not. You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage. The fights would
have to all either be in a cage or in the ring. Boxers don't fight in
cages, therefore the events will be held apart from each other. Jeesh!

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:52:37 -0500,
in article <Sx0Ok.6534$Ws1.6120@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <bjj@yahoo.com> wrote:

>No its not. You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage.


They're not really all that big. They could have them both in
the arena at the same time, or they could roll one out, and
another one in.

<ufc@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:7ilhg4hmfdqgh76cl1u1u01ld19v9r8f8f@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:52:37 -0500,
> in article <Sx0Ok.6534$Ws1.6120@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <bjj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>No its not. You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage.
>
>
> They're not really all that big. They could have them both in
> the arena at the same time, or they could roll one out, and
> another one in.

That's ridiculous. You obviously have never set up and tore down a ring or
the same with a cage. You need at least two hours and a clear path to the
stock area. Meanwhile you have a bunch of restless drunks to deal with.

On Oct 29, 1:52 pm, "Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f6e2ec1c-4d5a-495a-9042-d90957068412@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> > four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> > Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
> No its not.  You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage.  The fights would
> have to all either be in a cage or in the ring.  Boxers don't fight in
> cages, therefore the events will be held apart from each other.  Jeesh!

Why would they need a cage? Plenty of past mma bouts have taken place
in boxing rings.

"D.Flynn" <gunk7@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1899a26d-07d6-405d-87e7-6f14b1c79e28@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 29, 1:52 pm, "Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "D.Flynn" <gu...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f6e2ec1c-4d5a-495a-9042-d90957068412@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Oscar de la Hoya is teaming up w/Affliction. They're going to present
> > four ppv cards in '09 which will be 1/2 boxing and 1/2 mma.
>
> > Is this history in the making or just a lame gimmick?
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3585638
>
> No its not. You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage. The fights would
> have to all either be in a cage or in the ring. Boxers don't fight in
> cages, therefore the events will be held apart from each other. Jeesh!

Why would they need a cage? Plenty of past mma bouts have taken place
in boxing rings.

yeh which... funnily enough.. Affliction use.. I've been wondering that
thoughout this whole discussion trying to work out exactly what they're
talking about

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:26:13 -0500,
in article <HP9Ok.4795$as4.569@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <bjj@yahoo.com> wrote:

><ufc@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:7ilhg4hmfdqgh76cl1u1u01ld19v9r8f8f@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:52:37 -0500,
>> in article <Sx0Ok.6534$Ws1.6120@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> "Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <bjj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>No its not. You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage.
>>
>>
>> They're not really all that big. They could have them both in
>> the arena at the same time, or they could roll one out, and
>> another one in.
>
>That's ridiculous. You obviously have never set up and tore down a ring or
>the same with a cage. You need at least two hours and a clear path to the
>stock area. Meanwhile you have a bunch of restless drunks to deal with.


http://www.protecboxing.com/acatalog/PORTABLE_CAGE_RING.html

"Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <bjj@yahoo.com> writes:

> <ufc@invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:7ilhg4hmfdqgh76cl1u1u01ld19v9r8f8f@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:52:37 -0500,
>> in article <Sx0Ok.6534$Ws1.6120@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> "Jiu-Jitsu Bad Boy" <bjj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>No its not. You can't tear down a ring and put up a cage.
>>
>>
>> They're not really all that big. They could have them both in
>> the arena at the same time, or they could roll one out, and
>> another one in.
>
> That's ridiculous. You obviously have never set up and tore down a
> ring or the same with a cage. You need at least two hours and a clear
> path to the stock area. Meanwhile you have a bunch of restless drunks
> to deal with.

You never watched Spiderman 1?

Ever heard of a winch?

But why the cage? Lost at most of UFC it is, of course, nothing more
than hollow bravado and showing off. Cage indeed! It's more WWE than
WWE.