Spotted the following in a BBC article
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466.jpg
(full article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)

Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
too!

Cheers,

MSJ

On Sep 9, 4:30 pm, MSJ <mike...@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote:
> Spotted the following in a BBC articlehttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466...
> (full article athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>
> Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
> too!
>
> Cheers,
>
> MSJ

awesome gasket on that bloke's neck - waterproof?

Richard

On Sep 9, 4:45 pm, rdupa...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:30 pm, MSJ <mike...@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Spotted the following in a BBC articlehttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466...
> > (full article athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>
> > Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
> > too!
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > MSJ
>
> awesome gasket on that bloke's neck - waterproof?
>
> Richard

PS - the gel who did the captions for the full article, I don't think
they'd shown her the pix?

R

"MSJ" <mikes-j@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8353d7c9-5c88-40d4-b146-eeb5316db20d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> Spotted the following in a BBC article
> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466.jpg
> (full article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>
> Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
> too!

The oarlock looks fixed. I found that interesting since
swivel oarlocks had been used for a long time, though
maybe not universally? Maybe he's simply testing his
camera tech on an old boat.

The camera is amazingly small. I thought all film cameras
of that era were about the size of a VW.

The article about Ertl was fascinating.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7595908.stm

Mike Sullivan wrote:
> "MSJ" <mikes-j@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8353d7c9-5c88-40d4-b146-eeb5316db20d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>> Spotted the following in a BBC article
>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466.jpg
>> (full article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>>
>> Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
>> too!
>
> The oarlock looks fixed. I found that interesting since
> swivel oarlocks had been used for a long time, though
> maybe not universally? Maybe he's simply testing his
> camera tech on an old boat.
>
> The camera is amazingly small. I thought all film cameras
> of that era were about the size of a VW.
>
> The article about Ertl was fascinating.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7595908.stm
>
>

Nowt wrong with fixed pins. And since they make the oars self-squaring,
they ensure that every blade squares together. In the UK there were
still a few crews using fixed pins, some with excellent results, up to
~1960.

That rigger frame is quite something. Conceived without the
intervention of engineering design. A bit here, a bit there & then why
not stick another bit in here - oh, there's a bit more space here too so
put in one more. Now that looks really elegant! Did they weave it?

Wouldn't the camera have been clockwork-driven?

Underwater filming could have been very handy for studying blade/water
interactions & flow around the boat (not that it was done). While they
didn't have neutrally-buoyant polystyrene beads to act as flow tracers,
they could have done pretty well with many other kinds of suspended
particles.

How comforting it is to learn that, after it all went pear-shaped for
him & his political buddies with the end of WWII, Ertl was able to make
a swift escape with to a safe & sympathetic haven in S. America. Ahhh!

Carl

--
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"Carl Douglas" <carl@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ga6hb5$cfd$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Mike Sullivan wrote:
>> "MSJ" <mikes-j@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:8353d7c9-5c88-40d4-b146-eeb5316db20d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>> Spotted the following in a BBC article
>>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466.jpg
>>> (full article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>>>
>>> Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
>>> too!
>>
>> The oarlock looks fixed. I found that interesting since
>> swivel oarlocks had been used for a long time, though
>> maybe not universally? Maybe he's simply testing his
>> camera tech on an old boat.
>>
>> The camera is amazingly small. I thought all film cameras
>> of that era were about the size of a VW.
>>
>> The article about Ertl was fascinating.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7595908.stm
>
> Nowt wrong with fixed pins. And since they make the oars self-squaring,
> they ensure that every blade squares together. In the UK there were still
> a few crews using fixed pins, some with excellent results, up to ~1960.

Explain that, please, what do you mean by 'self-squaring'?

looking at the oarlock, it appears symmetrical, and the vertical surfaces
appear somewhat rounded rather than flat.

I was looking around for fixed pin photos, bumped into this
instead:

http://www.rowinghistory.net/images/Equipment/Davis%20209,960a.jpg

US patent for sliding rigger racing shell. 1878.

Mike Sullivan wrote:
> "Carl Douglas" <carl@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ga6hb5$cfd$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Mike Sullivan wrote:
>>> "MSJ" <mikes-j@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:8353d7c9-5c88-40d4-b146-eeb5316db20d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Spotted the following in a BBC article
>>>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466.jpg
>>>> (full article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>>>>
>>>> Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
>>>> too!
>>> The oarlock looks fixed. I found that interesting since
>>> swivel oarlocks had been used for a long time, though
>>> maybe not universally? Maybe he's simply testing his
>>> camera tech on an old boat.
>>>
>>> The camera is amazingly small. I thought all film cameras
>>> of that era were about the size of a VW.
>>>
>>> The article about Ertl was fascinating.
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7595908.stm
>> Nowt wrong with fixed pins. And since they make the oars self-squaring,
>> they ensure that every blade squares together. In the UK there were still
>> a few crews using fixed pins, some with excellent results, up to ~1960.
>
> Explain that, please, what do you mean by 'self-squaring'?
>
> looking at the oarlock, it appears symmetrical, and the vertical surfaces
> appear somewhat rounded rather than flat.

Ah, but it's cunning! The button on the oar is not a complete loop, as
nowadays, and goes only part way around the oar-leather. The button
goes square across the flat back face of the loom & as it goes around
the corner onto the side which will be at the bottom of the oarlock when
squared, it turns away from the blade and towards the handle. As you
reach forward, the interaction of this turned part with the sill between
the thole pins causes the blade to turn onto the square. I'm sure David
Biddulph & others will be able to show you some photos.

>
> I was looking around for fixed pin photos, bumped into this
> instead:
>
> http://www.rowinghistory.net/images/Equipment/Davis%20209,960a.jpg
>
> US patent for sliding rigger racing shell. 1878.

A real originator was Davis who really advanced rowing equipment design.

FISA wouldn't have approved of him today.

Cheers -
Carl
--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

"Carl Douglas" <carl@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ga6nol$jbt$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Mike Sullivan wrote:
>> "Carl Douglas" <carl@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ga6hb5$cfd$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> Mike Sullivan wrote:
>>>> "MSJ" <mikes-j@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:8353d7c9-5c88-40d4-b146-eeb5316db20d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Spotted the following in a BBC article
>>>>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44983000/jpg/_44983274_boat_466.jpg
>>>>> (full article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7596021.stm)
>>>>>
>>>>> Early in boat filming from the 1936 Olympics - great looking rigger
>>>>> too!
>>>> The oarlock looks fixed. I found that interesting since
>>>> swivel oarlocks had been used for a long time, though
>>>> maybe not universally? Maybe he's simply testing his
>>>> camera tech on an old boat.
>>>>
>>>> The camera is amazingly small. I thought all film cameras
>>>> of that era were about the size of a VW.
>>>>
>>>> The article about Ertl was fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7595908.stm
>>> Nowt wrong with fixed pins. And since they make the oars self-squaring,
>>> they ensure that every blade squares together. In the UK there were
>>> still a few crews using fixed pins, some with excellent results, up to
>>> ~1960.
>>
>> Explain that, please, what do you mean by 'self-squaring'?
>>
>> looking at the oarlock, it appears symmetrical, and the vertical surfaces
>> appear somewhat rounded rather than flat.
>
> Ah, but it's cunning! The button on the oar is not a complete loop, as
> nowadays, and goes only part way around the oar-leather. The button goes
> square across the flat back face of the loom & as it goes around the
> corner onto the side which will be at the bottom of the oarlock when
> squared, it turns away from the blade and towards the handle. As you
> reach forward, the interaction of this turned part with the sill between
> the thole pins causes the blade to turn onto the square. I'm sure David
> Biddulph & others will be able to show you some photos.

wow. So you don't really have a feather-hand? You reach forward
with loose grip and the oar squares itself?

clever