We have been there. Vinny game 1 1999

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the rest
of the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injury to
his left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats’ 17-10 victory
over the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.

While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
conference that he had no update on the status of Brady’s injury, a
source close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage to
the knee. That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and
perhaps other ligament and cartilage damage.

“It’s bad,” a team source said. “We’re going to have to play without him.”

Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to wideout
Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground, lunged
forward and struck Brady’s leg, which buckled as he released the ball.

Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by
team officials, presumably to undergo tests.

Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in
his career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes
for 152 yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and
Matt Leinart at USC, hasn’t been a starting quarterback since high
school. He won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseason to
retain the job as Brady’s primary backup.

On Sep 7, 7:36 pm, Tutor <tu...@removethis.nac.net> wrote:
> We have been there.  Vinny game 1 1999
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=y....
>
> New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the rest
> of the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injury to
> his left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats’ 17-10 victory
> over the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.
>
> While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
> conference that he had no update on the status of Brady’s injury, a
> source close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage to
> the knee. That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and
> perhaps other ligament and cartilage damage.
>
> “It’s bad,” a team source said. “We’re going to have to play without him.”
>
> Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to wideout
> Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground, lunged
> forward and struck Brady’s leg, which buckled as he released the ball.
>
> Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by
> team officials, presumably to undergo tests.
>
> Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in
> his career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes
> for 152 yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and
> Matt Leinart at USC, hasn’t been a starting quarterback since high
> school. He won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseason to
> retain the job as Brady’s primary backup.

UPDATE: Silver’s report has been updated — the ACL tear is confirmed.

On Sep 7, 8:52 pm, Jetman <dosborn6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 7:36 pm, Tutor <tu...@removethis.nac.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > We have been there.  Vinny game 1 1999
>
> >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=y...
>
> > New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the rest
> > of the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injury to
> > his left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats’ 17-10 victory
> > over the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.
>
> > While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
> > conference that he had no update on the status of Brady’s injury, a
> > source close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage to
> > the knee. That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and
> > perhaps other ligament and cartilage damage.
>
> > “It’s bad,” a team source said. “We’re going to have to play without him.”
>
> > Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to wideout
> > Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground, lunged
> > forward and struck Brady’s leg, which buckled as he released the ball..
>
> > Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by
> > team officials, presumably to undergo tests.
>
> > Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in
> > his career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes
> > for 152 yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and
> > Matt Leinart at USC, hasn’t been a starting quarterback since high
> > school. He won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseason to
> > retain the job as Brady’s primary backup.
>
> UPDATE:  Silver’s report has been updated — the ACL tear is confirmed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
played against.

On Sep 7, 9:25 pm, JETSRUL...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 7, 8:52 pm, Jetman <dosborn6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 7:36 pm, Tutor <tu...@removethis.nac.net> wrote:
>
> > > We have been there.  Vinny game 1 1999
>
> > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=y...
>
> > > New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the rest
> > > of the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injuryto
> > > his left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats’ 17-10 victory
> > > over the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.
>
> > > While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
> > > conference that he had no update on the status of Brady’s injury, a
> > > source close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage to
> > > the knee. That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and
> > > perhaps other ligament and cartilage damage.
>
> > > “It’s bad,” a team source said. “We’re going to have to play without him.”
>
> > > Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to wideout
> > > Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground, lunged
> > > forward and struck Brady’s leg, which buckled as he released the ball.
>
> > > Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by
> > > team officials, presumably to undergo tests.
>
> > > Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in
> > > his career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes
> > > for 152 yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and
> > > Matt Leinart at USC, hasn’t been a starting quarterback since high
> > > school. He won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseasonto
> > > retain the job as Brady’s primary backup.
>
> > UPDATE:  Silver’s report has been updated — the ACL tear is confirmed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
> seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
> played against.

Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
either.
Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

Gotta say I would like to have seen a Brady/Favre matchup---twice or
more---but now that seems unlikely, period (I don't assume Brett will be
back next year). Forgive me for saying that it does make the season more
interesting in terms of competitive balance---but I wouldn't have wished it
on the guy. Nor do I think the Patriots are done for, as they do have other
great players. Just an observation.

>
> Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
> seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
> played against.

Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
either.
Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

On Sep 7, 10:09 pm, "Jim" <branc...@rcn.com> wrote:
> Gotta say I would like to have seen a Brady/Favre matchup---twice or
> more---but now that seems unlikely, period (I don't assume Brett will be
> back next year).  Forgive me for saying that it does make the season more
> interesting in terms of competitive balance---but I wouldn't have wished it
> on the guy.  Nor do I think the Patriots are done for, as they do have other
> great players.  Just an observation.
>
>
>
> > Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
> > seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
> > played against.
>
> Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> either.
> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

Oh trust me, they are done.

Glenn Greenstein wrote:

> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

I'm not so sure, Glenn. The Pats are solid even without Brady. They
could be like the Fins, I forget the year, when Griese went down and
Earl Morral stepped in and they went to the Super Bowl. No one expects
Cassel to be a second Brady, but then again, no one expected Morral to
be good enough either. Could be the Pats are that well built. Maybe
not. We'll see, I guess.

On Sep 7, 7:48 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> either.
>
> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

Why can't you be more like them, Glenn?

--
http://groups.google.com/group/asfpnep-2

"Tutor" <tutor@removethis.nac.net> wrote in message
news:48c4738a$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
> We have been there. Vinny game 1 1999
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
>
> New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the rest of
> the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injury to his
> left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats’ 17-10 victory over
> the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.
>
> While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
> conference that he had no update on the status of Brady’s injury, a source
> close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage to the knee.
> That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and perhaps other
> ligament and cartilage damage.
>
> “It’s bad,” a team source said. “We’re going to have to play without him.”
>
> Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to wideout
> Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground, lunged
> forward and struck Brady’s leg, which buckled as he released the ball.
>
> Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by team
> officials, presumably to undergo tests.
>
> Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in his
> career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes for 152
> yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and Matt
> Leinart at USC, hasn’t been a starting quarterback since high school. He
> won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseason to retain the
> job as Brady’s primary backup.


If nothing else, we'll all get to see just how good a coach Belichick is
without Brady.

--
JMac
Section 107, Lot 18A


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Sep 7, 10:20 pm, Johnny Morongo <Mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com>
wrote:
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>
> I'm not so sure, Glenn.  The Pats are solid even without Brady.  They
> could be like the Fins, I forget the year, when Griese went down and
> Earl Morral stepped in and they went to the Super Bowl.  No one expects
> Cassel to be a second Brady, but then again, no one expected Morral to
> be good enough either.  Could be the Pats are that well built.  Maybe
> not.  We'll see, I guess.

Um..the fact that they won the game scares me.

I actually had flashbacks to when Bledsoe went down, also in game 1.

Hammer wrote:
> On Sep 7, 10:20 pm, Johnny Morongo <Mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com>
> wrote:
>> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>>> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
>>> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
>>> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>> I'm not so sure, Glenn. The Pats are solid even without Brady. They
>> could be like the Fins, I forget the year, when Griese went down and
>> Earl Morral stepped in and they went to the Super Bowl. No one expects
>> Cassel to be a second Brady, but then again, no one expected Morral to
>> be good enough either. Could be the Pats are that well built. Maybe
>> not. We'll see, I guess.
>
> Um..the fact that they won the game scares me.
>
> I actually had flashbacks to when Bledsoe went down, also in game 1.

Bledsoe went down in Week 2.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200109230nwe.htm

On Sep 8, 12:11 am, Polarhound <udf78322834...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hammer wrote:
> > On Sep 7, 10:20 pm, Johnny Morongo <Mireh...@harmonicconcordance.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
> >>> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> >>> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> >>> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
> >> I'm not so sure, Glenn.  The Pats are solid even without Brady.  They
> >> could be like the Fins, I forget the year, when Griese went down and
> >> Earl Morral stepped in and they went to the Super Bowl.  No one expects
> >> Cassel to be a second Brady, but then again, no one expected Morral to
> >> be good enough either.  Could be the Pats are that well built.  Maybe
> >> not.  We'll see, I guess.
>
> > Um..the fact that they won the game scares me.
>
> > I actually had flashbacks to when Bledsoe went down, also in game 1.
>
> Bledsoe went down in Week 2.
>
> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200109230nwe.htm- Hide quoted text -
>

I stand corrected, thanks. Doesn't make me feel better though. : )

"Johnny Morongo" <Mirehiel@harmonicconcordance.com> wrote in message
news:ga224h$ubo$1@aioe.org...
> Glenn Greenstein wrote:
>
>> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
>> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
>> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>
> I'm not so sure, Glenn. The Pats are solid even without Brady. They
> could be like the Fins, I forget the year, when Griese went down and Earl
> Morral stepped in and they went to the Super Bowl. No one expects Cassel
> to be a second Brady, but then again, no one expected Morral to be good
> enough either. Could be the Pats are that well built. Maybe not. We'll
> see, I guess.
They only managed 17 points against KC and KC pretty much sucks. They were
also one play from tying it up at the end.
Let me be the first to say, the Jets are a better team than KC is. Farve
alone puts us above them.
The Jets will have a tougher time scoring against NE, but I like our chances
now that it appears the DB problem has been solved. The only weak link out
there is Smith. Somebody needs to call Lynch up and tell him your shot at
getting a ring with NE just went down dramatically.

"Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:650737e2-70a8-47ba-af64-2ee3659de3f4@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 7:48 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> either.
>
> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

>>Why can't you be more like them, Glenn?

Because I have been through this already and nobody ever came here to tell
me how bad they felt for us.
When Namaths knees finally went, nobody said "Tough break Glenn, I feel bad
for you"
When VT was out for the year after the fist game of the season, A season
where the Jets were in the AFCCG the year before and we could have gone to
the SB, Nobody said how bad they felt for us. As a matter of fact, our NG
was flooded with trolls dancing on our grave for about three weeks.
Sorry B, you will not see a single tear shed by me.

--
http://groups.google.com/group/asfpnep-2

On Sep 8, 9:00 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:650737e2-70a8-47ba-af64-2ee3659de3f4@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 7:48 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> > has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> > anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> > either.
>
> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
> >>Why can't you be more like them, Glenn?
>
> Because I have been through this already and nobody ever came here to tell
> me how bad they felt for us.
> When Namaths knees finally went, nobody said "Tough break Glenn, I feel bad
> for you"
> When VT was out for the year after the fist game of the season, A season
> where the Jets were in the AFCCG the year before and we could have gone to
> the SB, Nobody said how bad they felt for us. As a matter of fact, our NG
> was flooded with trolls dancing on our grave for about three weeks.
> Sorry B, you will not see a single tear shed by me.
>
> --http://groups.google.com/group/asfpnep-2

Difference was Vinny Testaverde sucked moose cock. Tom Brady is the
best player in NFL history. With him they were a 19-0 team. Without
him they will only be able to manage 13-3. Anyone can throw the rock
to Moss. Just do that prayer passes like Favre lobs up there for all
to go for. Moss will get 90% of them. Sure the Patriots just got
weaker, but the Jets still suck shit.

In article <cf9xk.30989$Mh5.23727@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Somebody needs to call Lynch up and tell him your shot at
> getting a ring with NE just went down dramatically.

You know, you are right.

He likely gave up guaranteed money for a shot at a ring. I bet he is
speed dialing Mike T right now.

Anything is possible for the Pats but the odds, even with Brady back for
the playoffs just got a lot worse.

Harlan

In article
<08b32875-953e-45dc-9b3a-b1dfe257ac46@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Hammer <stuart.feldhamer@gmail.com> wrote:

> Um..the fact that they won the game scares me.
>
> I actually had flashbacks to when Bledsoe went down, also in game 1.

This was KC. I was right when I said the schedule makers gave the Pats a
gimme. Even we can beat KC.

Harlan

"MuahMan" <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:62b9e108-d8ca-4097-9576-be61e0f83b46@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 8, 9:00 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:650737e2-70a8-47ba-af64-2ee3659de3f4@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 7:48 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> > has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> > anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> > either.
>
> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
> >>Why can't you be more like them, Glenn?
>
> Because I have been through this already and nobody ever came here to tell
> me how bad they felt for us.
> When Namaths knees finally went, nobody said "Tough break Glenn, I feel
> bad
> for you"
> When VT was out for the year after the fist game of the season, A season
> where the Jets were in the AFCCG the year before and we could have gone to
> the SB, Nobody said how bad they felt for us. As a matter of fact, our NG
> was flooded with trolls dancing on our grave for about three weeks.
> Sorry B, you will not see a single tear shed by me.
>
> --http://groups.google.com/group/asfpnep-2

Difference was Vinny Testaverde sucked moose cock. Tom Brady is the
best player in NFL history. With him they were a 19-0 team. Without
him they will only be able to manage 3-13. Anyone can throw the rock
to Moss.
<< Oakland says Hi>>

Just do that prayer passes like Favre lobs up there for all
to go for. Moss will get 90% of them. Sure the Patriots just got
weaker, but the Jets still suck shit.

<<BTW, I fixed your post>>

> I'm not so sure, Glenn. The Pats are solid even without Brady. They
> could be like the Fins, I forget the year, when Griese went down and
> Earl Morral stepped in and they went to the Super Bowl. No one expects
> Cassel to be a second Brady, but then again, no one expected Morral to
> be good enough either. Could be the Pats are that well built. Maybe
> not. We'll see, I guess.

I am w/ you on this Johnny. They have good receivers & good RB's.
Their OL is probably better suited to run block.

> Difference was Vinny Testaverde sucked moose co**

Listenup, all this Sarah Palin bashing has to stop right now!

On Sep 8, 8:05 am, "John C (tx)" <jcn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Difference was Vinny Testaverde sucked moose co**
>
> Listenup,  all this Sarah Palin bashing has to stop right now!


Classic.

On Sep 8, 7:00 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:650737e2-70a8-47ba-af64-2ee3659de3f4@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 7:48 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> > has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> > anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> > either.
>
> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
> >>Why can't you be more like them, Glenn?
>
> Because I have been through this already and nobody ever came here to tell
> me how bad they felt for us.
> When Namaths knees finally went, nobody said "Tough break Glenn, I feel bad
> for you"

I think I was about 10 years old. I should have sent a telegram.

> When VT was out for the year after the fist game of the season, A season
> where the Jets were in the AFCCG the year before and we could have gone to
> the SB, Nobody said how bad they felt for us.

If we had known you could have gone to the Super Bowl that year we
would have expressed more concern.

> As a matter of fact, our NG
> was flooded with trolls dancing on our grave for about three weeks.

I don't celebrate injuries, only significant--and insignificant--
losses. (I have torn two ACLs. It's a terrible injury that I wouldn't
wish on anyone. The surgery alone involves a level of pain that most
people can't imagine.)

In the interest of full disclosure, I admit I did find it a rather
funny when Roethlisberger slammed into the fender of a Chrysler, but
that was his own doing. If Brady did something that stupid people
would be right to laugh. What happens on the field isn't funny--ever.


> Sorry B, you will not see a single tear shed by me.

Glenn, it is enough for me to know that when Favre starts slinging the
leather like pizza dough at some point you will swearing at the TV
screen, and I will be somewhere enjoying a cold one with just the
trace of a smile on my face. The Jets might just win the division
this year. And then what happens?

--
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Fans of all the lesser teams cordially invited.

In article <cb5efa73-0d2c-419d-965d-7695c4b9bbec@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 7, 10:09=A0pm, "Jim" <branc...@rcn.com> wrote:
> > Gotta say I would like to have seen a Brady/Favre matchup---twice or
> > more---but now that seems unlikely, period (I don't assume Brett will be
> > back next year). =A0Forgive me for saying that it does make the season mo=
> re
> > interesting in terms of competitive balance---but I wouldn't have wished =
> it
> > on the guy. =A0Nor do I think the Patriots are done for, as they do have =
> other
> > great players. =A0Just an observation.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
> > > seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
> > > played against.
> >
> > Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> > has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> > anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> > either.
> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>
> Oh trust me, they are done.

A little early to say that isn't it?

The Pats have 3 capable running backs and a pretty
good defensive head coach. What they lose with Cassel
is Brady's ability to win a close one if they are
behind.

From an objective football standpoint, it will be
really interesting to see how Belichick adjusts
to all of this. I can tell you one thing for sure:
they aren't going to collapse.


J.

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Julio wrote:
> In article <cb5efa73-0d2c-419d-965d-7695c4b9bbec@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
> Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 7, 10:09=A0pm, "Jim" <branc...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>> Gotta say I would like to have seen a Brady/Favre matchup---twice or
>>> more---but now that seems unlikely, period (I don't assume Brett will be
>>> back next year). =A0Forgive me for saying that it does make the season mo=
>> re
>>> interesting in terms of competitive balance---but I wouldn't have wished =
>> it
>>> on the guy. =A0Nor do I think the Patriots are done for, as they do have =
>> other
>>> great players. =A0Just an observation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
>>>> seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
>>>> played against.
>>> Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
>>> has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
>>> anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
>>> either.
>>> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
>>> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
>>> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>> Oh trust me, they are done.
>
> A little early to say that isn't it?
>
> The Pats have 3 capable running backs and a pretty
> good defensive head coach. What they lose with Cassel
> is Brady's ability to win a close one if they are
> behind.
>
> From an objective football standpoint, it will be
> really interesting to see how Belichick adjusts
> to all of this. I can tell you one thing for sure:
> they aren't going to collapse.


Even Brady didn't have a great year in 2002. That didn't make BB a
fraud. Having to have the whole team adjust to Cassel may cost them the
playoffs, but I don't foresee a collapse either. At least they did get a
lot of playing time with him in the pre-season.

The real key is Cassel making the quick decision and not throwing dumb
interceptions.

..

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or the climate will do it for us.


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"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:52656645-894a-4d80-8955-0e1594f788e4@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 9:25 pm, JETSRUL...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 7, 8:52 pm, Jetman <dosborn6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 7:36 pm, Tutor <tu...@removethis.nac.net> wrote:
>
> > > We have been there. Vinny game 1 1999
>
> > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=y...
>
> > > New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the
> > > rest
> > > of the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injury
> > > to
> > > his left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats’ 17-10
> > > victory
> > > over the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.
>
> > > While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
> > > conference that he had no update on the status of Brady’s injury, a
> > > source close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage
> > > to
> > > the knee. That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and
> > > perhaps other ligament and cartilage damage.
>
> > > “It’s bad,” a team source said. “We’re going to have to play without
> > > him.”
>
> > > Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to
> > > wideout
> > > Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground,
> > > lunged
> > > forward and struck Brady’s leg, which buckled as he released the ball.
>
> > > Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by
> > > team officials, presumably to undergo tests.
>
> > > Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in
> > > his career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes
> > > for 152 yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and
> > > Matt Leinart at USC, hasn’t been a starting quarterback since high
> > > school. He won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseason
> > > to
> > > retain the job as Brady’s primary backup.
>
> > UPDATE: Silver’s report has been updated — the ACL tear is confirmed.-
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
> seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
> played against.

Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
either.
Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.

**********************************************************************************

Considering how crappy the Jets have been, can you blame Brady if he doesn't
sweat having to play them ???

Michael

"JMac" <jmacf40@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd61e$48c493cb$4509@news.teranews.com...
> "Tutor" <tutor@removethis.nac.net> wrote in message
> news:48c4738a$1_1@nntp2.nac.net...
>> We have been there. Vinny game 1 1999
>>
>> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
>>
>> New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is expected to miss the rest
>> of the 2008 season with what two sources described as a severe injury to
>> his left knee, suffered in the first quarter of the Pats' 17-10 victory
>> over the Kansas City Chiefs at Gillette Stadium Sunday.
>>
>> While New England coach Bill Belichick said in his postgame press
>> conference that he had no update on the status of Brady's injury, a
>> source close to the quarterback indicated it involved serious damage to
>> the knee. That could include a torn anterior cruciate ligament and
>> perhaps other ligament and cartilage damage.
>>
>> "It's bad," a team source said. "We're going to have to play without
>> him."
>>
>> Brady was hurt as he stepped up in the pocket to make a throw to wideout
>> Randy Moss. Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who was on the ground, lunged
>> forward and struck Brady's leg, which buckled as he released the ball.
>>
>> Brady was helped off the field and was later led down a staircase by team
>> officials, presumably to undergo tests.
>>
>> Fourth-year quarterback Matt Cassel, who had thrown just 39 passes in his
>> career before Sunday, replaced Brady and completed 13 of 18 passes for
>> 152 yards and a touchdown. Cassel, who backed up Carson Palmer and Matt
>> Leinart at USC, hasn't been a starting quarterback since high school. He
>> won a competition with Matt Gutierrez during the preseason to retain the
>> job as Brady's primary backup.
>
>
> If nothing else, we'll all get to see just how good a coach Belichick is
> without Brady.
>

And without his tapes :-)

Michael

"Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 8, 7:00 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> "Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:650737e2-70a8-47ba-af64-2ee3659de3f4@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 7:48 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
> > has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
> > anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
> > either.
>
> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
> >>Why can't you be more like them, Glenn?
>
> Because I have been through this already and nobody ever came here to tell
> me how bad they felt for us.
> When Namaths knees finally went, nobody said "Tough break Glenn, I feel
> bad
> for you"

I think I was about 10 years old. I should have sent a telegram.

I wasn't talking about you. I grew up in a family full of Giant fans. They
wouldn't say a word to me when it was evident his career was over.

> When VT was out for the year after the fist game of the season, A season
> where the Jets were in the AFCCG the year before and we could have gone to
> the SB, Nobody said how bad they felt for us.

If we had known you could have gone to the Super Bowl that year we
would have expressed more concern.

You all did, in the form of making this NG unreadable.

> As a matter of fact, our NG
> was flooded with trolls dancing on our grave for about three weeks.

I don't celebrate injuries, only significant--and insignificant--
losses. (I have torn two ACLs. It's a terrible injury that I wouldn't
wish on anyone. The surgery alone involves a level of pain that most
people can't imagine.)

In the interest of full disclosure, I admit I did find it a rather
funny when Roethlisberger slammed into the fender of a Chrysler, but
that was his own doing. If Brady did something that stupid people
would be right to laugh. What happens on the field isn't funny--ever.

Pardon me, is someone laughing here?


> Sorry B, you will not see a single tear shed by me.

Glenn, it is enough for me to know that when Favre starts slinging the
leather like pizza dough at some point you will swearing at the TV
screen, and I will be somewhere enjoying a cold one with just the
trace of a smile on my face. The Jets might just win the division
this year. And then what happens?

Right now, I would say anything can happen.

The whole point of this post btw was your attitude for me not pouring my
heart out for a guy that has three rings and is dating the riches supermodel
on the planet. Nobody wants to see anyone injured, especially as bad as Tom
is now, but I don't exactly feel sorry for him either.

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Fans of all the lesser teams cordially invited.

"Julio" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:V3VSRQ9V39700.1125347222@anonymous.poster...
> In article
> <cb5efa73-0d2c-419d-965d-7695c4b9bbec@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
> Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 7, 10:09=A0pm, "Jim" <branc...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> > Gotta say I would like to have seen a Brady/Favre matchup---twice or
>> > more---but now that seems unlikely, period (I don't assume Brett will
>> > be
>> > back next year). =A0Forgive me for saying that it does make the season
>> > mo=
>> re
>> > interesting in terms of competitive balance---but I wouldn't have
>> > wished =
>> it
>> > on the guy. =A0Nor do I think the Patriots are done for, as they do
>> > have =
>> other
>> > great players. =A0Just an observation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
>> > > seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
>> > > played against.
>> >
>> > Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
>> > has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
>> > anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
>> > either.
>> > Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
>> > who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
>> > watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>>
>> Oh trust me, they are done.
>
> A little early to say that isn't it?
>
> The Pats have 3 capable running backs and a pretty
> good defensive head coach. What they lose with Cassel
> is Brady's ability to win a close one if they are
> behind.
>
> From an objective football standpoint, it will be
> really interesting to see how Belichick adjusts
> to all of this. I can tell you one thing for sure:
> they aren't going to collapse.

They lose a lot more than just that. Brady got a few of your O-linemen to
the Pro Bowl by haveing great pocket presence. Hi ability to slip sacks is
unmatched by 90% of NFL QB's. Also Brady is the best at presnap reads in the
league. I don't see every game he plays, but I can't recall a time he missed
an open WR. Lastly, if you think Casell has the same comand over the O that
Brady has, there is a bridge in Brookly I'd like to talk to you about.
>
>
> J.
>
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"clouddreamer" <Stop@Cllmate.change.net> wrote in message
news:Ue6dndBC9by4WljVnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@supernews.com...
> Julio wrote:
>> In article
>> <cb5efa73-0d2c-419d-965d-7695c4b9bbec@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
>> Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 7, 10:09=A0pm, "Jim" <branc...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>> Gotta say I would like to have seen a Brady/Favre matchup---twice or
>>>> more---but now that seems unlikely, period (I don't assume Brett will
>>>> be
>>>> back next year). =A0Forgive me for saying that it does make the season
>>>> mo=
>>> re
>>>> interesting in terms of competitive balance---but I wouldn't have
>>>> wished =
>>> it
>>>> on the guy. =A0Nor do I think the Patriots are done for, as they do
>>>> have =
>>> other
>>>> great players. =A0Just an observation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Awful for the league. I really don't dislike Brady, it has always
>>>>> seemed like he's been on a different level than the Jet teams he
>>>>> played against.
>>>> Why would you like Brady? The guy has zero respect for the Jets and
>>>> has made comments of such to the media. I really don't like to see
>>>> anyone hurt, but I can't say I am feeling sorry for his pompous ass
>>>> either.
>>>> Who I do feel sorry for are the good Pat fans like MZ and some others
>>>> who post here to talk intelligent football. They are going to have to
>>>> watch a pretty avg team the rest of the way.
>>> Oh trust me, they are done.
>>
>> A little early to say that isn't it?
>>
>> The Pats have 3 capable running backs and a pretty
>> good defensive head coach. What they lose with Cassel
>> is Brady's ability to win a close one if they are
>> behind.
>>
>> From an objective football standpoint, it will be
>> really interesting to see how Belichick adjusts
>> to all of this. I can tell you one thing for sure:
>> they aren't going to collapse.
>
>
> Even Brady didn't have a great year in 2002. That didn't make BB a fraud.
> Having to have the whole team adjust to Cassel may cost them the playoffs,
> but I don't foresee a collapse either. At least they did get a lot of
> playing time with him in the pre-season.
>
> The real key is Cassel making the quick decision and not throwing dumb
> interceptions.
>
And this is what teams are going to try to force him to do. One of the other
things Brady does great is he is as cool as they come under pressure.
>
> --
>
> We must change the way we live,
> or the climate will do it for us.
>
>
> www.ipcc.ch/