and waste a down running larry johnson up the middle. the more things
change, the more they stay the same.

I thought it was a good call. They had a timeout left. Why not try the
unpredictable? In general, the play calling was noticeably improved
today over last year.

DaBlueGuy@webtv.net

Re: 2nd and goal from the 5...

(Da Blue Guy) wrote:
I thought it was a good call. They had a timeout left. Why not try the
unpredictable? In general, the play calling was noticeably improved
today over last year.

---------------

well, since it hadn't worked all day, it was definitely an unpredictable
call. i thought it was the same ole same ole. throwing 3 yard passes
when they needed 7. refusing to throw down field with croyle. too bad
for him his east-west yardage doesn't count. he probably had 300 yards.
i still think we'll win 7 games in spite of herm edwards.

jhawkr

Michael Johnson wrote:
> well, since it hadn't worked all day, it was definitely an unpredictable
> call. i thought it was the same ole same ole. throwing 3 yard passes
> when they needed 7. refusing to throw down field with croyle. too bad
> for him his east-west yardage doesn't count. he probably had 300 yards.
> i still think we'll win 7 games in spite of herm edwards.

You do know Chan Gailey calls the offensive plays, don't you?

"Tarkus" <karnevil9@atlantabraves.net> wrote in message
news:6ijirhFq0ni6U1@mid.individual.net...
> Michael Johnson wrote:
>> well, since it hadn't worked all day, it was definitely an unpredictable
>> call. i thought it was the same ole same ole. throwing 3 yard passes
>> when they needed 7. refusing to throw down field with croyle. too bad
>> for him his east-west yardage doesn't count. he probably had 300 yards.
>> i still think we'll win 7 games in spite of herm edwards.
>
> You do know Chan Gailey calls the offensive plays, don't you?

During one of the preseason games they played an interview with Gailey. He
said the "try not to lose" thing. He was talking about turnovers and
needless penalties, but I wish they would stop trying "not to lose" and play
"to win."

Re: 2nd and goal from the 5...


Michael Johnson wrote:
well, since it hadn't worked all day, it was definitely an unpredictable
call. i thought it was the same ole same ole. throwing 3 yard passes
when they needed 7. refusing to throw down field with croyle. too bad
for him his east-west yardage doesn't count. he probably had 300 yards.
i still think we'll win 7 games in spite of herm edwards.

(Tarkus) quipped:
You do know Chan Gailey calls the offensive plays, don't you?

-----------------------------

You do know Herm Edwards is the Head Coach, don't you? Its his
philosophy that Chan Gailey follows.

jhawkr

Michael Johnson wrote:
>
> Re: 2nd and goal from the 5...
>
> Michael Johnson wrote:
> well, since it hadn't worked all day, it was definitely an unpredictable
> call. i thought it was the same ole same ole. throwing 3 yard passes
> when they needed 7. refusing to throw down field with croyle. too bad
> for him his east-west yardage doesn't count. he probably had 300 yards.
> i still think we'll win 7 games in spite of herm edwards.
>
> (Tarkus) quipped:
> You do know Chan Gailey calls the offensive plays, don't you?
>
> -----------------------------
>
> You do know Herm Edwards is the Head Coach, don't you? Its his
> philosophy that Chan Gailey follows.

To a certain extent. Gailey was brought in because of his successful
past, and his philosophy better fit what Herm wants to do. I don't
believe Herm brought him in to try and change him. Nor do I believe for
a second that Herm micromanages him, and he certainly doesn't
micromanage the game playcalling. You only have to look at him on the
sidelines to see that for yourself.

Do you honestly think Herm tells Gailey he wants him to throw for three
yards when they need seven? Or maybe, just maybe, Gailey thought their
best chance against the defense they were being faced with was to catch
and run, rather than trying to get the ball downfield. Or maybe Croyle
was checking off too early. Who knows? I'm pretty sure no coach wants
to come up four yards short on 3rd down, though.

You have to realize, the Chiefs aren't exactly a juggernaut on offense.
For example, long pass plays take time to develop. If your OL can't
hold their guy for five seconds, it's not going to work. When your #1
receiver can't catch the ball, and you don't even have a legitimate #2,
it's not going to work. I'm sure Gailey would like to do more, and
will, as the young players develop.

And as far as not allowing Croyle to go downfield more, I'm sure part of
that was trying to develop some confidence and rhythm, and part trying
to keep him healthy (which ultimately didn't work anyway). You have to
play the best you can with the cards you are dealt, and for the most
part, I thought the playcalling was pretty good. Certainly much better
than the Solari era.

Despite all the criticism, in a game everyone thought was going to be a
blowout, the Chiefs were still in it until the final seconds. The
defense gets most of the credit, but the Chiefs winning the time of
possession battle had something to do with it too. And part of that is
offensive philosophy and playcalling.

On Sep 8, 3:52 pm, Tarkus <karnev...@atlantabraves.net> wrote:
> Michael Johnson wrote:
>
> > Re: 2nd and goal from the 5...  
>
> > Michael Johnson wrote:
> > well, since it hadn't worked all day, it was definitely an unpredictable
> > call. i thought it was the same ole same ole. throwing 3 yard passes
> > when they needed 7. refusing to throw down field with croyle. too bad
> > for him his east-west yardage doesn't count. he probably had 300 yards.
> > i still think we'll win 7 games in spite of herm edwards.
>
> > (Tarkus) quipped:
> > You do know Chan Gailey calls the offensive plays, don't you?
>
> > -----------------------------
>
> > You do know Herm Edwards is the Head Coach, don't you? Its his
> > philosophy that Chan Gailey follows.
>
> To a certain extent.  Gailey was brought in because of his successful
> past, and his philosophy better fit what Herm wants to do.  I don't
> believe Herm brought him in to try and change him.  Nor do I believe for
> a second that Herm micromanages him, and he certainly doesn't
> micromanage the game playcalling.  You only have to look at him on the
> sidelines to see that for yourself.
>
> Do you honestly think Herm tells Gailey he wants him to throw for three
> yards when they need seven?  Or maybe, just maybe, Gailey thought their
> best chance against the defense they were being faced with was to catch
> and run, rather than trying to get the ball downfield.  Or maybe Croyle
> was checking off too early.  Who knows?  I'm pretty sure no coach wants
> to come up four yards short on 3rd down, though.
>
> You have to realize, the Chiefs aren't exactly a juggernaut on offense.
>   For example, long pass plays take time to develop.  If your OL can't
> hold their guy for five seconds, it's not going to work.  When your #1
> receiver can't catch the ball, and you don't even have a legitimate #2,
>   it's not going to work.  I'm sure Gailey would like to do more, and
> will, as the young players develop.
>
> And as far as not allowing Croyle to go downfield more, I'm sure part of
> that was trying to develop some confidence and rhythm, and part trying
> to keep him healthy (which ultimately didn't work anyway).  You have to
> play the best you can with the cards you are dealt, and for the most
> part, I thought the playcalling was pretty good.  Certainly much better
> than the Solari era.
>
> Despite all the criticism, in a game everyone thought was going to be a
> blowout, the Chiefs were still in it until the final seconds.  The
> defense gets most of the credit, but the Chiefs winning the time of
> possession battle had something to do with it too.  And part of that is
> offensive philosophy and playcalling.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Some of it was Brady out of the game. I don't know if the Chiefs would
have won time of possesion with Brady in for the whole game.

Andre wrote:
> Some of it was Brady out of the game. I don't know if the Chiefs would
> have won time of possesion with Brady in for the whole game.

It's possible Brady could have gotten hot at any time, but the fact is,
he didn't play during the preseason and wasn't playing all that great at
the time of his injury. He was rusty and it showed.

Peyton Manning was in a similar situation and he never did look his old
self, playing a prime time game at home.

Since hermie ONLY allows LJ to run up the middle, he is only going to get
2-3 yards a carry.

Priest had a FEW runs up the middle, and MANY around the sides. Around the
sides it was usually 7 yards PLUS.
Priest wasn't knocked down after a 7-10 yard run he was forced out.
FAR less wear and tear!
It SPREADS the Defense too.
We HAD a passing game that went OVER the top and that pulled safeties back.

NOW its predictable LJ up the middle, 3 yards. LJ up the middle 3 yards. 3rd
and 4, maybe a quick screen or a run up the middle. IF it gets 4 yards they
start all over again, if not its punt or FG.
BORING Marty ball.


"Da Blue Guy" <DaBlueGuy@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I thought it was a good call. They had a timeout left. Why not try the
> unpredictable? In general, the play calling was noticeably improved
> today over last year.
>
> DaBlueGuy@webtv.net
>