They should have put a question mark after that headline (see 2nd
sentence). However, this is just draw-dropping if true. They just
promise him $66 million and his career is promptly ruined (maybe)?
Does Cohan have rotten karma or WHAT?? -AL

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The Cohn Zohn
Monta Ellis' career in jeopardy
http://cohn.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2258557&mode=

I phoned a doctor friend the other day to ask about Monta Ellis. My
friend asked me to keep his name out of it because he has not
personally examined Ellis. So I'll call him The Doc and I'll give his
analysis.

The Cohn Zohn: Can you explain what the deltoid ligament does?

The Doc: The deltoid ligament is one of the strongest ligaments in the
body. It attaches the middle part of the lower leg bone to the heel.
It's a major force stabilizing the whole ankle joint.

Zohn: Does it seem likely Ellis tore the ligament playing pickup
basketball?

Doc: To have a fall or a twist that tears the deltoid ligament you
usually need something more severe than turning your ankle playing
basketball.

Zohn: Give an example of how someone could tear the ligament.

Doc: You're walking along and you put your foot in a grate. The grate
is stable and doesn't move. You fall sideways. It would take that kind
of fall to do it.

Zohn: Are you skeptical Ellis tore the deltoid ligament playing
basketball?

Doc: Yes.

Note: I did not ask The Doc what the Warriors should do about Ellis --
fine, suspend, dump him. That is not The Doc's expertise, and the $66
million the Warriors owe Ellis is their business and the moral dilemma
they find themselves in is their moral dilemma. I did ask The Doc
about the implications of the injury. Is Ellis assured of being a top-
notch player after he comes back?

Doc: Under the best circumstances to repair the deltoid ligament to a
perfect orientation and length is difficult. The difficulty is
compounded by rehabilitation where you try to return it some some
flexibility. Ellis could get a stiff ankle or a tight ankle. When he
tries to pivot he might stumble. He might not be able to push off as
much or accelerate or explode to dunk. He might not be as explosive as
he is now -- his game is based on super quickness and acceleration. I
am not saying he's through. But this is a bad injury.

Zohn: The Warriors are saying he'll be playing in three months. Is
that realistic?

Doc: I don't believe so. Based on the little I've read, to play at an
NBA level in three months is very unrealistic. He has a long road
ahead of him.

-- Lowell

What's the difference between Monta's injury (as described below) and a torn
Achilles?

phil
> Monta Ellis' career in jeopardy
> http://cohn.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2258557&mode=
> The Cohn Zohn: Can you explain what the deltoid ligament does?
> The Doc: The deltoid ligament is one of the strongest ligaments in the
> body. It attaches the middle part of the lower leg bone to the heel.
> It's a major force stabilizing the whole ankle joint.
> Zohn: Does it seem likely Ellis tore the ligament playing pickup
> basketball?
> Doc: To have a fall or a twist that tears the deltoid ligament you
> usually need something more severe than turning your ankle playing
> basketball.

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:23:00 -0700 (PDT), Allen <lonewolfbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>They should have put a question mark after that headline (see 2nd
>sentence). However, this is just draw-dropping if true. They just
>promise him $66 million and his career is promptly ruined (maybe)?
>Does Cohan have rotten karma or WHAT?? -AL

Eh, I'm not inclined to take the analysis of a doctor who hasn't even
looked at Monta too seriously.
--
Greg Lentz

Phil DeBar wrote:
> What's the difference between Monta's injury (as described below) and
> a torn Achilles?

A ligament holds a joint together conecting bone to bone. A tendon connects
muscle to bone.

The deltoids are ligaments holding the bones of the ankle together and lets
it rotate.
The achilles is a tendon that runs from the heel to calf and flexes your
foot up and down.


Achilles
http://www.northcoastfootcare.com/footcare-info/images/anatomy-Achilles-posterior.jpg

deltoids
http://www.northcoastfootcare.com/footcare-info/images/anatomy-ankle-ligaments.jpg

In article <khj0c456t6n38rb9img40c3oea4f21u0t7@4ax.com>,
Greg Lentz <nodamnspam@speakeasy.net> wrote:

> Eh, I'm not inclined to take the analysis of a doctor who hasn't even
> looked at Monta too seriously.

Obviously, this needs to be taken with a grain of salt for that reason.

But I think it's useful context for understand deltoid ligament tears,
which aren't the sort of thing you hear about too often in the sports
world. While most of us can talk about ACL tears and even microfracture
surgery with some solid basis in knowledge, I doubt many had this sort
of background knowledge on deltoid tears.

I'm telling you, we are cursed. I should have become a freaking Clippers
fan when I moved to L.A.

-Ron

> Note: I did not ask The Doc what the Warriors should do about Ellis --
> fine, suspend, dump him. That is not The Doc's expertise, and the $66
> million the Warriors owe Ellis is their business and the moral dilemma
> they find themselves in is their moral dilemma.

Moral dilemma? What moral dilemma? If the Warriors and their doctors
determine that Monta will never have the same explosiveness again, and
they have the ability to void his contract, do it. There's no moral
dilemma here. Monta was foolish enough to put himself in a perilous
situation, a situation that athletes astoundingly continue to put
themselves in. Note how this didn't happen until AFTER he had signed
on the dotted line for nearly $70 million; not entirely coincidental,
IMO.

Buggzy