http://a-r.co.uk/CatalogueOnline.aspx

In case anyone is looking to start a rowing club or relocate near
london perhaps have a look at the attached MOD site for sale.

Looks like there is some land use already on the site which may assist
with planning

Regards

Donal
(andrews and robertson auctioneers)

On 1 Sep, 16:17, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> http://a-r.co.uk/CatalogueOnline.aspx
>
> In case anyone is looking to start a rowing club  or relocate near
> london perhaps have a look at the attached MOD site for sale.
>
> Looks like there is some land use already on the site which may assist
> with planning
>
> Regards
>
> Donal
> (andrews and robertson auctioneers)

Hi Donal,

The link goes to a long list of sites. Is it #57 at Rochester by any
chance? Looks interesting.
Kit

Sorry Kit..yes thats the one.

Im too busy with my French project and one locally...if I wasnt Id
probably have a look at this.

Cheers

Donal

On Sep 1, 4:34 pm, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Sorry Kit..yes thats the one.
>
> Im too busy with my French project and one locally...if I wasnt Id
> probably have a look at this.
>
> Cheers
>
> Donal

Medway Towns RC might be upset at a club setting up on their "patch" -
especially as they have just built a new boathouse
http://www.medwaytownsrowingclub.co.uk/Boathouse%20Project.htm at
Rochester.

And for those thinking of house-building - don't forget that the River
Medway is tidal all the way up to Allington, near Maidstone....

Some people have private reasons for setting up their own facility.
Some people dont necessarily want to be involved in club politics and
act indepentally.
It may be useful for a boat builder or boat manufacturer wanting their
own bit of land for demoing equipment.

Apart from anything else Medway themselves may be interested.
I really dont know.

Im just putting forward a potential site that could be better used for
a rowing use than some other use.
I find it surprising that on a newsgroup related to rowing someone
would be giving the impression that the inclusion of a potential
opportunity soon to be sold and potentially lost forever was in
someway unwelcome.

hey ho

Donal



On 2 Sep, 12:52, JK <ja...@familyknight.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sep 1, 4:34 pm, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Kit..yes thats the one.
>
> > Im too busy with my French project and one locally...if I wasnt Id
> > probably have a look at this.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Donal
>
> Medway Towns RC might be upset at a club setting up on their "patch" -
> especially as they have just built a new boathousehttp://www.medwaytownsrowingclub.co.uk/Boathouse%20Project.htmat
> Rochester.
>
> And for those thinking of house-building - don't forget that the River
> Medway is tidal all the way up to Allington, near Maidstone....

Donal,

My apologies... I was at work and forgot the smiley face (in so many
ways!) to indicate that what I wrote was tongue in cheek... the more
rowers in Kent the merrier... and if I had the spare cash then I'd be
at the auction for all the reasons you stated (I don't believe that
ARA rules allow you to race as a privateer?)...

Also as a former "valley dweller" I still really don't understand
building on floodplains ;)

I'll mention it to my rowing cousins at Medway later...

Happy rowing

James

On 2 Sep, 21:17, JK <ja...@familyknight.co.uk> wrote:
> Donal,
>
> My apologies... I was at work and forgot the smiley face (in so many
> ways!) to indicate that what I wrote was tongue in cheek... the more
> rowers in Kent the merrier... and if I had the spare cash then I'd be
> at the auction for all the reasons you stated (I don't believe that
> ARA rules allow you to race as a privateer?)...
>
> Also as a former "valley dweller" I still really don't understand
> building on floodplains ;)
>
> I'll mention it to my rowing cousins at Medway later...
>
> Happy rowing
>
> James

Cheers James

Privateer...Ive looked at this in the past. You can do it but you set
up your own club and pay to be a member of it. I dont think there is a
minimum number of people that a club needs but then you have all the
hassle of complying with the ARA............

Flood plain development and boat houses is always a bit of a tricky
one to overcome as Im sure most of us have painful experience of.

Regards

Donal

On 3 Sep, 10:10, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2 Sep, 21:17, JK <ja...@familyknight.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Donal,
>
> > My apologies... I was at work and forgot the smiley face (in so many
> > ways!) to indicate that what I wrote was tongue in cheek... the more
> > rowers in Kent the merrier... and if I had the spare cash then I'd be
> > at the auction for all the reasons you stated (I don't believe that
> > ARA rules allow you to race as a privateer?)...
>
> > Also as a former "valley dweller" I still really don't understand
> > building on floodplains ;)
>
> > I'll mention it to my rowing cousins at Medway later...
>
> > Happy rowing
>
> > James
>
> Cheers James
>
> Privateer...Ive looked at this in the past. You can do it but you set
> up your own club and pay to be a member of it. I dont think there is a
> minimum number of people that a club needs but then you have all the
> hassle of complying with the ARA............
>
> Flood plain development and boat houses is always a bit of a tricky
> one to overcome as Im sure most of us have painful experience of.
>
> Regards
>
> Donal- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The ARA does have a minimum number in that there are certain key
officials/posts that have to be filled in order to meet their
requirements. Water Safety Advisor, Secretary, Child welfare officer
etc.

coach wrote:
> On 3 Sep, 10:10, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2 Sep, 21:17, JK <ja...@familyknight.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Donal,
>>> My apologies... I was at work and forgot the smiley face (in so many
>>> ways!) to indicate that what I wrote was tongue in cheek... the more
>>> rowers in Kent the merrier... and if I had the spare cash then I'd be
>>> at the auction for all the reasons you stated (I don't believe that
>>> ARA rules allow you to race as a privateer?)...
>>> Also as a former "valley dweller" I still really don't understand
>>> building on floodplains ;)
>>> I'll mention it to my rowing cousins at Medway later...
>>> Happy rowing
>>> James
>> Cheers James
>>
>> Privateer...Ive looked at this in the past. You can do it but you set
>> up your own club and pay to be a member of it. I dont think there is a
>> minimum number of people that a club needs but then you have all the
>> hassle of complying with the ARA............
>>
>> Flood plain development and boat houses is always a bit of a tricky
>> one to overcome as Im sure most of us have painful experience of.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Donal- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The ARA does have a minimum number in that there are certain key
> officials/posts that have to be filled in order to meet their
> requirements. Water Safety Advisor, Secretary, Child welfare officer
> etc.

Which raises a question:

The term Adviser is used to enable that person to evade actual
responsibility for breaches of good practice. Otherwise, so it was
claimed, no one would take on the water safety job. I cannot think of a
task more fraught with hidden hazards invented by anal bureaucracy than
being i/c child welfare. So how can anyone can be found to be a Child
Welfare Officer?

Just wondering -
Carl

--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

On Sep 3, 5:58 pm, Carl Douglas <c...@carldouglas.co.uk> wrote:
>
> The term Adviser is used to enable that person to evade actual
> responsibility for breaches of good practice.  Otherwise, so it was
> claimed, no one would take on the water safety job.  

Were it anyone but yourself, Carl, I might think that was a little
unkind.
AIUI, the Water Safety Person SHOULD be a [one hopes expert and
industrious] "Advisor", so as not to obscure the direct responsibility
of the Club Captain and all participants for Safety.

I cannot think of a
> task more fraught with hidden hazards invented by anal bureaucracy than
> being i/c child welfare.  So how can anyone can be found to be a Child
> Welfare Officer?

I'd certainly say that the same consideration should apply to the
Child Welfare post
[It's not all bad though, belonging as I do, to a club with no Junior
members!]

Richard

<rduparcq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f9767402-1d01-488a-a705-0a010d986f53@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

I'd certainly say that the same consideration should apply to the
Child Welfare post
[It's not all bad though, belonging as I do, to a club with no Junior
members!]

What, not even coxes?

It's also the club (not child) welfare officer and the role may soon extend
to vulnerable adults as well.

On Sep 3, 9:49 pm, "Christopher Anton"
<c.an...@NOSPAM.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I'd certainly say that the same consideration should apply to the
> Child Welfare post
> [It's not all bad though, belonging as I do, to a club with no Junior
> members!]
>
> What, not even coxes?

Indeed not. Originally in 1890 a workplace club, still pretty much
entirely adult.
In respect of coxes, we row on the Thames Tideway; in my PERSONAL
opinion, someone who's too young to drive a moped on a public highway,
needs continuous close supervision from outside the boat, while the
master of a vessel on our track
...... and yes, the HoR4s will open for entries the week after next,
again with a minimum age of 16 for coxes.
>
> It's also the club (not child) welfare officer and the role may soon extend
> to vulnerable adults as well.

Good point, and I must admit there are differences

Richard

Another potential UK rowing club site(subject to planning) for someone
to explore
Opposite Grand Junction Island on the Thames at Sunbury.

Savills auction 13th October. This one close to Carl...

Lot 12 Guide price of £15000 to £30000.

savills.co.uk

Regards

Donal

donal.casey@gmail.com wrote:
> Another potential UK rowing club site(subject to planning) for someone
> to explore
> Opposite Grand Junction Island on the Thames at Sunbury.
>
> Savills auction 13th October. This one close to Carl...
>
> Lot 12 Guide price of £15000 to £30000.

http://62.105.94.133/commercial/comm_current_auction_lot.asp?pos=12
The bridge to the island dividing the plot is rather spoiling it, I
think. GMaps view:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.410175,-0.389123&t=h&z=20

True the site is split but the smaller area of land is still useful
looking.

Clearly development would not be easy but if I were running a local
school or was interested in getting say a local state secondary school
to start kids off I think it would be well worth a look.

Pays your monies and takes your choice!!

Do shout if anyone sees something similar in SW England!!!!

Regards

Donal

On 30 Sep, 12:44, Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid>
wrote:
> donal.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Another potential UK rowing club site(subject to planning) for someone
> > to explore
> > Opposite Grand Junction Island on the Thames at Sunbury.
>
> > Savills auction 13th October. This one close to Carl...
>
> > Lot 12 Guide price of £15000 to £30000.
>
> http://62.105.94.133/commercial/comm_current_auction_lot.asp?pos=12
> The bridge to the island dividing the plot is rather spoiling it, I
> think. GMaps view:http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.410175,-0.389123&t=h&z=20

On 30 Sep, 14:55, "donal.ca...@gmail.com" <donal.ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> True the site is split but the smaller area of land is still useful
> looking.
>
> Clearly development would not be easy but if I were running a local
> school or was interested in getting say a local state secondary school
> to start kids off I think it would be well worth a look.
>
> Pays your monies and takes your choice!!
>
> Do shout if anyone sees something similar in SW England!!!!
>
> Regards
>
> Donal
>
> On 30 Sep, 12:44, Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > donal.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Another potential UK rowing club site(subject to planning) for someone
> > > to explore
> > > Opposite Grand Junction Island on the Thames at Sunbury.
>
> > > Savills auction 13th October. This one close to Carl...
>
> > > Lot 12 Guide price of £15000 to £30000.
>
> >http://62.105.94.133/commercial/comm_current_auction_lot.asp?pos=12
> > The bridge to the island dividing the plot is rather spoiling it, I
> > think. GMaps view:http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.410175,-0.389123&t=h&z=20- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Start looking along the River Huntspill...

donal.casey@gmail.com wrote:
> True the site is split but the smaller area of land is still useful
> looking.
>
> Clearly development would not be easy but if I were running a local
> school or was interested in getting say a local state secondary school
> to start kids off I think it would be well worth a look.
>
> Pays your monies and takes your choice!!
>
> Do shout if anyone sees something similar in SW England!!!!
>
> Regards
>
> Donal
>
> On 30 Sep, 12:44, Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid>
> wrote:
>> donal.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Another potential UK rowing club site(subject to planning) for someone
>>> to explore
>>> Opposite Grand Junction Island on the Thames at Sunbury.
>>> Savills auction 13th October. This one close to Carl...
>>> Lot 12 Guide price of £15000 to £30000.
>> http://62.105.94.133/commercial/comm_current_auction_lot.asp?pos=12
>> The bridge to the island dividing the plot is rather spoiling it, I
>> think. GMaps view:http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.410175,-0.389123&t=h&z=20
>


That's the place. And, even with that access cutting across to the
island, it is big enough to be useful. You'd have to build with a
raised floor to not reduce the flood plain (already severely reduced by
uncontrolled building in the locality, but never mind!) & to keep your
feet dry when the river runs out of control (as it does!)

Were we not so well set up in our new place, & had we a spare year for
endless disputes with planners, & just supposing the stupidity &
veniality of senior managers in certain parts of the banking & mortgage
industries, & the grotesquely unscrupulous greed of their underling
money wizards, & the collapse of all attempts at financial regulation,
had not taken real commerce to hell in a handcart, then that would be a
very interesting site for a boat shop, Donal.

Of course, in this nimby-land of Thameside England none of the locals
would want any building or business there which might actually employ
local kids, or make the exports to earn the foreign currency for their
foreign holidays & fuel. Then the planners, just supposing they'd
permit a development despite the above, would surely want it gold-plated
until its cost was unmanageable & with silly added features "to fit with
the locality". And the borough across the water would want its say too.

Sad, ain't it? I think it'd be too small & awkward for a rowing club
(main road straight past, little room for parking & trailer & difficult
for boat launching). But I do think Donal is doing a real favour in
pointing out such places. Others may see possibilities despite the
snags. So, many thanks mate.

cheers -
Carl

--
Carl Douglas Racing Shells -
Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
Write: Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
Find: http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
Email: carl@carldouglas.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1932-570946 Fax: -563682
URLs: www.carldouglas.co.uk (boats) & www.aerowing.co.uk (riggers)

On the same theme but off at a tangent I enclose a text copy of the
school playing fields regulations UK .

There is a general presumption that playing fields refers to fields
only. Within the regulations there is however the suggestion of
suitable alternative provision. So when your school or local authority
is looking at re-providing its facilities it should be noted that if
by a river the provision of a boat house may be an alternative teams
game activity that could be provided instead of playing fields. This
may be of interest particularly in tight city centre sites and could
be something that a club/rowing enthusiast may want to push to get
additional provision in the locale.

Donal

"
Circular number 10/96

Part V - Playing Fields and other sports facilities







The Regulations about school playing fields or equivalent sporting
facilities apply to any school where there are pupils aged 8 years or
above. They do not apply to pupil referral units. "Playing fields" are
defined strictly in the Regulations. To qualify, an outdoor, grassed
area provided for physical education must be:
suitable for the playing of team games; and


laid out for that purpose; and


capable of sustaining team games for seven hours a week during term
time.
The minimum area of playing fields which schools should have is set
out in Schedule 2 to the Regulations. This minimum area - see Table 2
below - depends on the number of pupils at the school and their ages.
Table 2: Minimum total playing field areas in m2 - figures from
Schedule 2 to the Regulations

Total number of pupils aged 8 years or older (Y4 and above) Schools
with pupils aged under 11 years (Y6 and below) Schools with NO pupils
aged under 11 years (below Y7) All special schools
100 or fewer
101 to 200
201 to 300
301 to 400
401 to 500
501 to 600
601 to 750
751 to 900
901 to 1050
1051 to 1200
1201 to 1350
1351 to 1500
1501 to 1650
1651 to 1800
1801 to 1950 2500
5000
10000
15000
20000
25000
30000
35000
40000
45000
50000
55000
60000
65000
70000 5000
10000
15000
20000
25000
30000
35000
40000
45000
50000
55000
60000
65000
70000
75000 The Regulations do not set out specific areas for special school
playing fields.
However, they do require that a special school with pupils who receive
outdoor physical education should have an area of playing field
sufficient to take account of pupils' needs.

For special schools only, playing fields are required to be adjacent
to, or in the immediate vicinity of, the school buildings.


For schools with more than 1,950 pupils:

choose the column above which is appropriate to the ages of the
pupils;


select the largest figure in it; and


add an extra 5,000m2 for each complete 150 by which the number of
pupils exceeds 1,801.
For example, a secondary school with 2,000 pupils would need 75,000m2
+ 5,000m2 = 80,000m2 of playing fields.



Quality of playing fields

For a playing field to count towards the minimum requirement, it
should be able to sustain the playing of team sports for at least 7
hours a week during term time.


Other sports facilities

Types of provision other than traditional grass playing fields may
also be suitable for physical education. Therefore, for the purposes
of the minimum area requirements, a playing field with a hard porous
surface, which is large enough for the playing of team games, may be
treated as if it were twice its actual area.


Synthetic surfaces of various types are also suitable for playing some
team sports. Different types of synthetic surface have very different
properties, and will not necessarily be an adequate substitute for
grass, so the Regulations do not include a simple ratio for
discounting synthetic surfaces against the requirement for grass
playing fields.


But the Regulations do say that the area of grass playing field
required is reduced "so far as is reasonable" if a school enjoys the
benefit of the following facilities:
regular instruction in swimming (either at the school or elsewhere);


indoor instruction in team games (either at the school or elsewhere);


instruction in team games on synthetic surfaces (at the school); or


outdoor instruction in team games (not at the school).
When considering what constitutes a "reasonable" reduction in the
minimum area, LEAs and governors should take account of:
the quality of any alternative facilities;


the ease of access to such facilities; and


the number of hours of use that would be available to the school. "