Greetings, Stats Fans:

I have not updated the Trevor vs. Mariano "Chase for the
All Time Saves Record" story since back on May 15th

On that day Mariano had 11 saves on the year vs. just 7 for
Trevor. As of today, their 2008 totals are:

======================================
Saves blown ERA
=====================================
Mariano 31 1 1.53
Trevor 27 3 4.12


Back on May 15th, Rivera's ERA was 0.53 and Trevor was
at a dreadful 5.34. After his rough beginning, Hoffman has
converted 20 of his last 21 save chances. Mariano had 67
Ks in 58 IP, while Trevor totals 44 in 39 IPs.

Both these Gentlemen presumably are already assured their
rightful places in Cooperstown ....... but this question lingers:
when they retire, WHICH man will have the All-Times saves
record in his pocket?

Let's go to the Kirby Closer Tote Board as of Aug. 28, 2008:

================================================
CAREER SAVES
August 28, 2008
===============================================

Trevor Hoffman 551 + 77
Mariano Rivera 474



THEIR AGES

The age differential is just over 2 years..... Trevor born Oct. 1967
and Rivera in Nov. 1969. That makes Trevor 40 and Rivera 38.

This factor remains Mr. Rivera's best chance of catching Hoffman
before Mariano retires.


CONCLUDING THOUGHTS

The purpose of this exercise is purely to look at the All Times Saves
Record. It's not an attempt to knock either player. Both are great.

Trevor's inexplicable feat, bouncing back from career-threatening
surgery to post FOUR straight 40+ saves seasons (2004-2007)
will likely keep the Saves Record in his possession for a decade
or more after his retirement.


Hoover

"Hoover" <Hoover@cst.com> wrote in message
news:k7fcb4tentudfm55u050d499vqq9qsgep2@4ax.com...
> Greetings, Stats Fans:
>
> I have not updated the Trevor vs. Mariano "Chase for the
> All Time Saves Record" story since back on May 15th
>
> On that day Mariano had 11 saves on the year vs. just 7 for
> Trevor. As of today, their 2008 totals are:
>
> ======================================
> Saves blown ERA
> =====================================
> Mariano 31 1 1.53
> Trevor 27 3 4.12
>
>
> Back on May 15th, Rivera's ERA was 0.53 and Trevor was
> at a dreadful 5.34. After his rough beginning, Hoffman has
> converted 20 of his last 21 save chances. Mariano had 67
> Ks in 58 IP, while Trevor totals 44 in 39 IPs.
>
> Both these Gentlemen presumably are already assured their
> rightful places in Cooperstown ....... but this question lingers:
> when they retire, WHICH man will have the All-Times saves
> record in his pocket?
>
> Let's go to the Kirby Closer Tote Board as of Aug. 28, 2008:
>
> ================================================
> CAREER SAVES
> August 28, 2008
> ===============================================
>
> Trevor Hoffman 551 + 77
> Mariano Rivera 474
>
>
>
> THEIR AGES
>
> The age differential is just over 2 years..... Trevor born Oct. 1967
> and Rivera in Nov. 1969. That makes Trevor 40 and Rivera 38.
>
> This factor remains Mr. Rivera's best chance of catching Hoffman
> before Mariano retires.
>
>
> CONCLUDING THOUGHTS
>
> The purpose of this exercise is purely to look at the All Times Saves
> Record. It's not an attempt to knock either player. Both are great.
>
> Trevor's inexplicable feat, bouncing back from career-threatening
> surgery to post FOUR straight 40+ saves seasons (2004-2007)
> will likely keep the Saves Record in his possession for a decade
> or more after his retirement.
>
>
> Hoover

The fact that Mariano gets more save opportunities, even in what their fans
consider an off year, means Trevor needs to bump his lead up into the low
80s in order to have a good chance of holding off Rivera. JMO, YMMV.

Go Pads !

On Aug 28, 8:32 am, "Swillabrew" <donts...@any.net> wrote:
> "Hoover" <Hoo...@cst.com> wrote in message
>
> news:k7fcb4tentudfm55u050d499vqq9qsgep2@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Greetings,   Stats   Fans:
>
> > I have not  updated  the  Trevor vs. Mariano  "Chase for the
> > All Time Saves Record"  story  since back on May 15th
>
> > On that day  Mariano had 11 saves on the year vs. just 7 for
> > Trevor.    As of today, their 2008 totals are:
>
> >    ======================================
> >             Saves       blown           ERA
> >    =====================================
> >      Mariano          31            1                1.53
> >      Trevor            27            3                4.12
>
> > Back on May 15th,  Rivera's  ERA was 0.53 and Trevor was
> > at a dreadful 5.34.   After his rough beginning,  Hoffman has
> > converted 20 of his last 21 save chances.  Mariano had 67
> > Ks in 58 IP, while Trevor totals 44 in 39 IPs.
>
> > Both these Gentlemen presumably are already assured their
> > rightful places in Cooperstown ....... but this question lingers:
> > when they retire, WHICH man will have the All-Times saves
> > record in his pocket?
>
> > Let's go to the Kirby  Closer Tote Board as of Aug. 28, 2008:
>
> > ================================================
> >          CAREER  SAVES
> >           August 28, 2008
> > ===============================================
>
> > Trevor  Hoffman                      551                 + 77
> > Mariano  Rivera                      474
>
> >                                 THEIR   AGES
>
> > The age differential is just over 2 years..... Trevor born Oct. 1967
> > and Rivera in Nov. 1969.   That makes Trevor 40 and Rivera 38.
>
> > This factor remains Mr. Rivera's best chance of catching Hoffman
> > before Mariano retires.
>
> >                       CONCLUDING   THOUGHTS
>
> > The purpose of this exercise is purely to look at the All Times Saves
> > Record.   It's not an attempt to knock either player.  Both are great.
>
> > Trevor's inexplicable feat, bouncing back from career-threatening
> > surgery to post FOUR straight   40+  saves  seasons  (2004-2007)
> > will likely keep the Saves Record in his possession for a decade
> > or more after his retirement.
>
> > Hoover
>
> The fact that Mariano gets more save opportunities, even in what their fans
> consider an off year, means Trevor needs to bump his lead up into the low
> 80s in order to have a good chance of holding off Rivera.  JMO, YMMV.
>
> Go Pads !- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He's only had two more opportunities this year, in what's been an off
year for the Pads as well. Even though the Yankees win more games
than the Padres every year, it generally doesn't translate into a big
advantage in save opportunities, because the Padre wins tend to be
closer games than the Yankee wins.

"Seapig" <seapig@altavista.com> wrote in message
news:fce37e35-bb89-4f89-a533-e1e259f935ee@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 28, 8:32 am, "Swillabrew" <donts...@any.net> wrote:
> "Hoover" <Hoo...@cst.com> wrote in message
>
> news:k7fcb4tentudfm55u050d499vqq9qsgep2@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Greetings, Stats Fans:
>
> > I have not updated the Trevor vs. Mariano "Chase for the
> > All Time Saves Record" story since back on May 15th
>
> > On that day Mariano had 11 saves on the year vs. just 7 for
> > Trevor. As of today, their 2008 totals are:
>
> > ======================================
> > Saves blown ERA
> > =====================================
> > Mariano 31 1 1.53
> > Trevor 27 3 4.12
>
> > Back on May 15th, Rivera's ERA was 0.53 and Trevor was
> > at a dreadful 5.34. After his rough beginning, Hoffman has
> > converted 20 of his last 21 save chances. Mariano had 67
> > Ks in 58 IP, while Trevor totals 44 in 39 IPs.
>
> > Both these Gentlemen presumably are already assured their
> > rightful places in Cooperstown ....... but this question lingers:
> > when they retire, WHICH man will have the All-Times saves
> > record in his pocket?
>
> > Let's go to the Kirby Closer Tote Board as of Aug. 28, 2008:
>
> > ================================================
> > CAREER SAVES
> > August 28, 2008
> > ===============================================
>
> > Trevor Hoffman 551 + 77
> > Mariano Rivera 474
>
> > THEIR AGES
>
> > The age differential is just over 2 years..... Trevor born Oct. 1967
> > and Rivera in Nov. 1969. That makes Trevor 40 and Rivera 38.
>
> > This factor remains Mr. Rivera's best chance of catching Hoffman
> > before Mariano retires.
>
> > CONCLUDING THOUGHTS
>
> > The purpose of this exercise is purely to look at the All Times Saves
> > Record. It's not an attempt to knock either player. Both are great.
>
> > Trevor's inexplicable feat, bouncing back from career-threatening
> > surgery to post FOUR straight 40+ saves seasons (2004-2007)
> > will likely keep the Saves Record in his possession for a decade
> > or more after his retirement.
>
> > Hoover
>
> The fact that Mariano gets more save opportunities, even in what their
> fans
> consider an off year, means Trevor needs to bump his lead up into the low
> 80s in order to have a good chance of holding off Rivera. JMO, YMMV.
>
> Go Pads !- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He's only had two more opportunities this year, in what's been an off
year for the Pads as well. Even though the Yankees win more games
than the Padres every year, it generally doesn't translate into a big
advantage in save opportunities, because the Padre wins tend to be
closer games than the Yankee wins.
________________________________________________________

I knew there was a good reason our management refuses to sign any offensive
threats. : )

Go Pads !