Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.

It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.

2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
----
Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
Median 4 - 12

----
Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11

Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.

Raw records by era:
Millen 31-81
WCF, Sr. 281-374-13

----
For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.

Vikes 36.2%
Pack 31.3%
Bears 20.0%
Lions 12.4%

----
Final 2007 Predictions:
Aleric 10 - 6
Archie Leach 9 - 7
Brian Matthews 9 - 7
Robert Solari 8 - 8
snapp44 8 - 8
wfyehl 8 - 8
Chef Michael 8 - 8
finsfan 8 - 8
Thomas 7 - 9
Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
SkippyPB 7 - 9
MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
Markndawoods 7 - 9
Grey Matters 6 - 10
Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
" " (=NHL) 5 - 11
John A. Witzke 5 - 11
Mort Fromage 4 - 12
Sir Creep 4 - 12
Meano 2 - 14

----
* "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
- February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com wrote:
> Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>
>

5-11 (again)
GB, Minn, Chi, Det

7-9
GB, Minn, Det, Chi

6-10

i reserve the right to change my prediction for the better if ALL of the
following are somehow gone by week 1:

kitna (WHO?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
"turnstile" backus
badger stiff calhoun
badger swine alex lewis
paris lenon (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!)
casey fitzsimmons (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
mike furrey (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
aveion cason (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!)

gotta love having so many players that, let's face it, NOBODY has ever
heard of being on the field so much...just plain embarrassing...why
should ernie sims be forced to play all three linebacker spots by
himself?

automatic bump to 7-9 if an 18-wheeler runs an intersection and T-bones
a limo carrying millen & ford sr.

this year's fan motto:
BOYCOTTS & BLACKOUTS

anyone that spends one hard-earned dollar on this piece of shit
franchise is only enabling the biggest joke in the entire league

In article <848d6775-fca3-4b00-b22e-e16066553a8b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com says...
>
>Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>
>It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
>predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
>probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
>7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
>predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
>defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>
>2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
>Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
> ----
>Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
>Median 4 - 12
>
>Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
>Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>
>Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
>percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>
>Raw records by era:
>Millen 31-81
>WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>
>For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
>Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
>the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>
>Vikes 36.2%
>Pack 31.3%
>Bears 20.0%
>Lions 12.4%
>
>Final 2007 Predictions:
>Aleric 10 - 6
>Archie Leach 9 - 7
>Brian Matthews 9 - 7
>Robert Solari 8 - 8
>snapp44 8 - 8
>wfyehl 8 - 8
>Chef Michael 8 - 8
>finsfan 8 - 8
>Thomas 7 - 9
>Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
>SkippyPB 7 - 9
>MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
>Markndawoods 7 - 9
>Grey Matters 6 - 10
>Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
>" " (=NHL) 5 - 11
>John A. Witzke 5 - 11
>Mort Fromage 4 - 12
>Sir Creep 4 - 12
>Meano 2 - 14
>
>* "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
>- February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
>through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
>on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.
11-7 (Includes a playoff win and a playoff loss)
NFCN (Lions, Vikings, Packers, Bears)
KEEP MILLEN

Dave

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com wrote:

>Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>
>It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
>predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
>probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
>7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
>predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
>defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>
>2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
>Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
> ----
>Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
>Median 4 - 12
>
>----
>Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
>Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>
>Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
>percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>
>Raw records by era:
>Millen 31-81
>WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>
>----
>For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
>Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
>the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>
>Vikes 36.2%
>Pack 31.3%
>Bears 20.0%
>Lions 12.4%
>
>----
>Final 2007 Predictions:
>Aleric 10 - 6
>Archie Leach 9 - 7
>Brian Matthews 9 - 7
>Robert Solari 8 - 8
>snapp44 8 - 8
>wfyehl 8 - 8
>Chef Michael 8 - 8
>finsfan 8 - 8
>Thomas 7 - 9
>Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
>SkippyPB 7 - 9
>MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
>Markndawoods 7 - 9
>Grey Matters 6 - 10
>Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
>" " (=NHL) 5 - 11
>John A. Witzke 5 - 11
>Mort Fromage 4 - 12
>Sir Creep 4 - 12
>Meano 2 - 14
>
>----
>* "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
>- February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
>through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
>on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

I'm going with 9-7 - miss the playoffs. The NFCN finish will be
Vikes, Packers, Lions, Bears.

Regards,
////
(o o)
-oOO--(_)--OOo-

"Don't let Krusty's death get you down, boy.
People die all the time. Just like that.
Why, you could wake up dead tomorrow.
Well, good night."
-- Homer J. Simpson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remove nospam to email me.

Steve

"snapp44" <snapp44_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:g8en8m01u87@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article
> <848d6775-fca3-4b00-b22e-e16066553a8b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
> Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>>
>>It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
>>predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
>>probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
>>7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
>>predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
>>defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>>
>>2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
>>Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
>> ----
>>Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
>>Median 4 - 12
>>
>>Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
>>Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>>
>>Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
>>percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>>
>>Raw records by era:
>>Millen 31-81
>>WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>>
>>For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
>>Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
>>the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>>
>>Vikes 36.2%
>>Pack 31.3%
>>Bears 20.0%
>>Lions 12.4%
>>
>>Final 2007 Predictions:
>>Aleric 10 - 6
>>Archie Leach 9 - 7
>>Brian Matthews 9 - 7
>>Robert Solari 8 - 8
>>snapp44 8 - 8
>>wfyehl 8 - 8
>>Chef Michael 8 - 8
>>finsfan 8 - 8
>>Thomas 7 - 9
>>Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
>>SkippyPB 7 - 9
>>MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
>>Markndawoods 7 - 9
>>Grey Matters 6 - 10
>>Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
>>" " (=NHL) 5 - 11
>>John A. Witzke 5 - 11
>>Mort Fromage 4 - 12
>>Sir Creep 4 - 12
>>Meano 2 - 14
>>
>>* "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
>>- February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
>>through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
>>on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.
> 11-7 (Includes a playoff win and a playoff loss)
> NFCN (Lions, Vikings, Packers, Bears)
> KEEP MILLEN
>
> Dave


After last year's *splendid* 7-9, the rolling averages show the Lions on an
uptick. My FOREX software says the Lions will finish 9-7 and lose their WC
playoff game.
NFCN (Vikings, Lions, Bears, Packers)
>

On Aug 18, 11:28 am, Meano.Cu...@yahoo.com wrote
> Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.

>
the order of finish in the division will be GB, Chi, Minn, Det

as I gaze my crystal ball, I see them coming in at 6-10, and that is
if they win a couple of division games, splitting with Chi and Minn.
if not, then it will probably be 4-12, if that.

but i'll stick with my 6-10

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:10:39 -0400, JWitzke@webtv.net (John A Witzke)
wrote:

>6-10
>
>i reserve the right to change my prediction for the better if ALL of the
>following are somehow gone by week 1:
>
>kitna (WHO?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
>"turnstile" backus
>badger stiff calhoun
>badger swine alex lewis
>paris lenon (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!)
>casey fitzsimmons (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
>mike furrey (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
>aveion cason (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!)
>
>gotta love having so many players that, let's face it, NOBODY has ever
>heard of being on the field so much...just plain embarrassing...why
>should ernie sims be forced to play all three linebacker spots by
>himself?
>
>automatic bump to 7-9 if an 18-wheeler runs an intersection and T-bones
>a limo carrying millen & ford sr.
>
>this year's fan motto:
>BOYCOTTS & BLACKOUTS
>
>anyone that spends one hard-earned dollar on this piece of shit
>franchise is only enabling the biggest joke in the entire league


You know, I was thinking something very similar to this.
Most teams have a hard time cutting their roster down, having to get
rid of some quality players and making tough decisions on who to get
rid of. The Lions seem to be the opposite. They have a tough time
deciding on who they have to keep. : )

I'll wait until preseason is over before I make my yearly 10-6
prediction.....

NOTE: Sir Creep is no longer a denizen of the D! I up and moved to
Acadiana (Lafayette, LA) a week ago, and now am a devoted Saints fan
(at least I can root for a team that MIGHT win a playoff game, though
they too know nothing of SBs).
You fucking Detroit Lions can't break my little heart anymore...I
won't let you. 45 years is enough. Like I said, I used to work a
couple blocks form Ford Field [for the Sheriff's Dept--secret out]!
But now I is in da bayou. So peace to all y'all left in the mitten,
and the last one out of Michigan turn out the lights. Now for the
prediction...
--------------------------------------------------

Sep 7 @Atlanta 1:00pm I can't imagine it, but they DO seem to
always beat the Falcons. WIN

Sep 14 Green Bay 1:00pm This shows the more things change, the
more they stay the same. LOSS

Sep 21 @San Francisco 4:05pm Losing to JT O'Sullivan/Martz? Oh,
you betcha. LOSS

Week 4 BYE [what a terrible time for a 1-2 team to have a bye, you
gotta admit. A couple weeks later, at least. Jeesh!]

Oct 5 Chicago 1:00pm They BETTER win this one. WIN

Oct 12 @Minnesota 1:00pm The 'not ready for prime time
players'. LOSS

Oct 19 @Houston 4:05pm Typical Lions, when you know they'll lose,
they.... WIN

Oct 26 Washington 12:00pm Not a chance in hell. LOSS

Nov 2 @Chicago 1:00pm They BETTER sweep this team. At 4-5, still
in the thick of things (but close 2-5)... WIN

Nov 9 Jacksonville 1:00pm Not a FUCKING chance. LOSS

Nov 16 @Carolina 1:00pm Ditto. LOSS

Nov 23 Tampa Bay 1:00pm An interesting game, I dare say. First
of 3 at home. Garcia gets em though. LOSS

Nov 27 Tennessee 12:30pm VYoung = Harrington (just not drafted
3rd overall), might be benched by this game. WIN

Dec 7 Minnesota 1:00pm The game could decide 2nd place in
division... WIN. And now to close out the season...

Dec 14 @Indianapolis 1:00pm LMAO. LOSS (should count as two.
Hopefully not 35-0 at half again)

Dec 21 New Orleans 1:00pm SC's new hometown team! SC can now root
against the Lions without flinching. LOSS

Dec 28 @Green Bay 1:00pm An annual fate predetermined by the footall
Gods. LOSS
------------------------------------------

I honestly don't believe they'll win 6 games, but dammit, I went game
by game and that's what I came up with. 6-10.

Sir Creep of da Bayou, for true!

How about 6-8, third in the division, ahead of Chicago. The Lions have
always alternated improving years with retreating years. I still don't have
a real good feeling for the defense.
<Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:848d6775-fca3-4b00-b22e-e16066553a8b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>
> It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
> predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
> probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
> 7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
> predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
> defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>
> 2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
> Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
> ----
> Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
> Median 4 - 12
>
> ----
> Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
> Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>
> Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
> percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>
> Raw records by era:
> Millen 31-81
> WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>
> ----
> For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
> Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
> the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>
> Vikes 36.2%
> Pack 31.3%
> Bears 20.0%
> Lions 12.4%
>
> ----
> Final 2007 Predictions:
> Aleric 10 - 6
> Archie Leach 9 - 7
> Brian Matthews 9 - 7
> Robert Solari 8 - 8
> snapp44 8 - 8
> wfyehl 8 - 8
> Chef Michael 8 - 8
> finsfan 8 - 8
> Thomas 7 - 9
> Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
> SkippyPB 7 - 9
> MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
> Markndawoods 7 - 9
> Grey Matters 6 - 10
> Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
> " " (=NHL) 5 - 11
> John A. Witzke 5 - 11
> Mort Fromage 4 - 12
> Sir Creep 4 - 12
> Meano 2 - 14
>
> ----
> * "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
> - February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
> through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
> on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:56:55 -0400, "Mort Fromage"
<someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

>How about 6-8, third in the division, ahead of Chicago. The Lions have
>always alternated improving years with retreating years. I still don't have
>a real good feeling for the defense.

Pssst! Mort! The NFL went to a 16 game schedule 30 (1978) years ago,
not 14!


><Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:848d6775-fca3-4b00-b22e-e16066553a8b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>>
>> It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
>> predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
>> probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
>> 7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
>> predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
>> defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>>
>> 2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
>> Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
>> ----
>> Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
>> Median 4 - 12
>>
>> ----
>> Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
>> Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>>
>> Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
>> percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>>
>> Raw records by era:
>> Millen 31-81
>> WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>>
>> ----
>> For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
>> Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
>> the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>>
>> Vikes 36.2%
>> Pack 31.3%
>> Bears 20.0%
>> Lions 12.4%
>>
>> ----
>> Final 2007 Predictions:
>> Aleric 10 - 6
>> Archie Leach 9 - 7
>> Brian Matthews 9 - 7
>> Robert Solari 8 - 8
>> snapp44 8 - 8
>> wfyehl 8 - 8
>> Chef Michael 8 - 8
>> finsfan 8 - 8
>> Thomas 7 - 9
>> Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
>> SkippyPB 7 - 9
>> MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
>> Markndawoods 7 - 9
>> Grey Matters 6 - 10
>> Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
>> " " (=NHL) 5 - 11
>> John A. Witzke 5 - 11
>> Mort Fromage 4 - 12
>> Sir Creep 4 - 12
>> Meano 2 - 14
>>
>> ----
>> * "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
>> - February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
>> through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
>> on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.
>

Regards,
////
(o o)
-oOO--(_)--OOo-

"Don't let Krusty's death get you down, boy.
People die all the time. Just like that.
Why, you could wake up dead tomorrow.
Well, good night."
-- Homer J. Simpson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remove nospam to email me.

Steve

Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.

It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.

2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
snapp44 10 - 6 (Lions, Vikes, Pack, Bears) (1-1 in
playoffs)
[Brian Matthews 10 - 6] [On hold for preseason's end]
TM 9 - 7 (Vikes, Lions, Bears, Pack) (lose in WC)
SkippyPB 9 - 7 (Vikes, Pack, Lions, Bears)
wfyehl 7 - 9 (Pack, Vikes, Lions, Bears)
Mort Fromage 6 - 8 (Behind the Pack, Vikes and Bucs)
John A. Witzke 6 - 10
graverobber_69 6 - 10
Sir Creep 6 - 10 (Didn't say, but sounds like: P,V,L,B)
YooperBoyka 5 - 11 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Lions)
Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
----
Mean (n=11) 7.09 - 8.73
Median 6 - 8

----
Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11

Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.

Raw records by era:
Millen 31-81
WCF, Sr. 281-374-13

----
For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.

Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.

Vikes 36.2%
Pack 31.3%
Bears 20.0%
Lions 12.4%

----
Final 2007 Predictions:
Aleric 10 - 6
Archie Leach 9 - 7
Brian Matthews 9 - 7
Robert Solari 8 - 8
snapp44 8 - 8
wfyehl 8 - 8
Chef Michael 8 - 8
finsfan 8 - 8
Thomas 7 - 9
Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
SkippyPB 7 - 9
MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
Markndawoods 7 - 9
Grey Matters 6 - 10
Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
" " (=NHL) 5 - 11
John A. Witzke 5 - 11
Mort Fromage 4 - 12
Sir Creep 4 - 12
Meano 2 - 14

----
* "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
- February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
through December, 2008. Though snapp44 says otherwise, the Detroit
Lions season will officially end on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

"SkippyPB" <swiegand@Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:j2vqa4p8895apedkbqkubrm89ajffvpau3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:56:55 -0400, "Mort Fromage"
> <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>How about 6-8, third in the division, ahead of Chicago. The Lions have
>>always alternated improving years with retreating years. I still don't
>>have
>>a real good feeling for the defense.
>
> Pssst! Mort! The NFL went to a 16 game schedule 30 (1978) years ago,
> not 14!
>
>
Damn! You caught me. I figured I'd have a two game spread. I could claim
if they win 6 or if they lose 8.

Ok. 6-10. It's official.

On Aug 20, 10:03 am, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:10:39 -0400, JWit...@webtv.net (John A Witzke)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >6-10
>
> >i reserve the right to change my prediction for the better if ALL of the
> >following are somehow gone by week 1:
>
> >kitna (WHO?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
> >"turnstile" backus
> >badger stiff calhoun
> >badger swine alex lewis
> >paris lenon (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!)
> >casey fitzsimmons (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
> >mike furrey (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
> >aveion cason (WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!)
>
> >gotta love having so many players that, let's face it, NOBODY has ever
> >heard of being on the field so much...just plain embarrassing...why
> >should ernie sims be forced to play all three linebacker spots by
> >himself?
>
> >automatic bump to 7-9 if an 18-wheeler runs an intersection and T-bones
> >a limo carrying millen & ford sr.
>
> >this year's fan motto:
> >BOYCOTTS & BLACKOUTS
>
> >anyone that spends one hard-earned dollar on this piece of shit
> >franchise is only enabling the biggest joke in the entire league
>
> You know, I was thinking something very similar to this.
> Most teams have a hard time cutting their roster down, having to get
> rid of some quality players and making tough decisions on who to get
> rid of. The Lions seem to be the opposite. They have a tough time
> deciding on who they have to keep. : )
>
> I'll wait until preseason is over before I make my yearly 10-6
> prediction.....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What's the difference, Brian, your predictions are baseless anyway.
SC

> ----
> For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
>
> Vikes 36.2%
> Pack  31.3%
> Bears 20.0%
> Lions 12.4%

Oh that's (almost) easy. The Packers should go 6-2 in the division,
and that's enough. Boy, I don't buy this Minnesota defense thing the
media is shoving up my ass....I mean they are good, but please, not
Jacksonville good or anything (or Pitt, SD, NEng, etc etc). In fact
thier not Green Bay good, imho.

So:
Green Bay 10-6
Minn 7-9
Detroit 6-10
Chicago 3-13

Let me know (as you certainly will) at season's end.
Oh, and you know how (for isntance) you buy Little Caesers to support
the Red Wings, or whatever. Yesterday I CONSCIOUSLY went to Lowe's
instead of Home Depot (I HATE Lowes, there's never any frickin help)
and will continue to do so....because Arthur Blank owns HDepot and the
Falcons, and as I'm now in Saints territory, and will proudly wear my
black/gold fluer do lis, I will NOT give money to the Falcons when I
can give it to my Saints. Please help by doing the same. Or go to
ACO Hardware, a fine local Michigan outfit at least....support your
own, but not Blank/Falcons.

Sir Creep

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
<sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:



>> >gotta love having so many players that, let's face it, NOBODY has ever
>> >heard of being on the field so much...just plain embarrassing...why
>> >should ernie sims be forced to play all three linebacker spots by
>> >himself?
>>
>> >automatic bump to 7-9 if an 18-wheeler runs an intersection and T-bones
>> >a limo carrying millen & ford sr.
>>
>> >this year's fan motto:
>> >BOYCOTTS & BLACKOUTS
>>
>> >anyone that spends one hard-earned dollar on this piece of shit
>> >franchise is only enabling the biggest joke in the entire league
>>
>> You know, I was thinking something very similar to this.
>> Most teams have a hard time cutting their roster down, having to get
>> rid of some quality players and making tough decisions on who to get
>> rid of. The Lions seem to be the opposite. They have a tough time
>> deciding on who they have to keep. : )
>>
>> I'll wait until preseason is over before I make my yearly 10-6
>> prediction.....
>
>What's the difference, Brian, your predictions are baseless anyway.
>SC

And yours are so MUCH more accurate. Just because you state an opinion
from game to game doesn't make your opinion correct. What was your
prediction last year? 4-12? Well, you were wrong. In a prediction
contest, any and all predictions are just opinions. The Lions finished
last year at 7-9. I predicted 9-7 so I was 2 games off. Meanwhile,
your prediction of 4 wins was 5 games off. So who was closer?

And I thought you were done here? Since you're a Saints fan now, go
bother their group, if there IS one. And I must say, I really feel
sorry for the Saint fans for having to put up with your nonsense.
While you're at it, could you take Tommy with you? : )

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:39:47 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
<sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:

>(I HATE Lowes, there's never any frickin help)


Last year you said only stupid people use the word "hate"
I used it in regards to Ms. Creep and Tommy Girls posts.
You REALLY are a TWIT. I knew you were bad when you went trolling in
the Tigers group looking for a friend to go to a baseball game with
you on your BIRTHDAY. Sure hope you can find someone down there in
N.O. to pretend to be your friend. Here's a hint for you, since your
personality is so bad, try Craigslist. There's people there that will
be your friend if you pay them. And I really think that's the ONLY way
you'll ever find companionship. I'm actually starting to feel sorry
for you.

Mort Fromage wrote, in part:
> How about 6-8, third in the division, ahead of Chicago.

Sir Creep wrote, in part:
> The Packers should go 6-2 in the division[.]

To summarize for those who missed it:
Matt Millen's incompetence has created a rift in space and time
through which Lion fans can travel.

Mort has moved back in time to about 1977 in an attempt to prevent the
death of disco.

The Creep has moved back to 2001 New Orleans in an attempt to convince
the populace that living below sea level and trusting FEMA might be a
bad idea.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:47:57 -0700 (PDT), Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com wrote:

>Mort Fromage wrote, in part:
>> How about 6-8, third in the division, ahead of Chicago.
>
>Sir Creep wrote, in part:
>> The Packers should go 6-2 in the division[.]
>
>To summarize for those who missed it:
>Matt Millen's incompetence has created a rift in space and time
>through which Lion fans can travel.
>
>Mort has moved back in time to about 1977 in an attempt to prevent the
>death of disco.
>
>The Creep has moved back to 2001 New Orleans in an attempt to convince
>the populace that living below sea level and trusting FEMA might be a
>bad idea.


All joking aside, the Lions have actually looked pretty good this
preseason. I know it's only preseason, but installing a new offense
usually takes time. Their defense looks pretty good too, with an
entire new backfield. Their special teams needs some work and may get
burned a few times early in the season, but I really think this may
finally be the season the Lions make the playoffs!

On Aug 23, 7:13 pm, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:39:47 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
>
> <sircr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >(I HATE Lowes, there's never any frickin help)
>
> Last year you said only stupid people use the word "hate"
> I used it in regards to Ms. Creep and Tommy Girls posts.
> You REALLY are a TWIT. I knew you were bad when you went trolling in
> the Tigers group looking for a friend to go to a baseball game with
> you on your BIRTHDAY.

huh...you got something to back that bullshit up with?
Particularly that last sentence? I went to the game with a good
friend from Hamtramck, and I purchased the tix that very day off CL.
What am I missing?
Anyway, any person born/reared in Detroit can't possibly 'troll' the
Detroit sports teams sites, presuming they root for said teams. You
better look up the definition, and the one for 'twit' whilst you at
it, Mr. 'I-pick-the-Lions-to-have-an-over-.500-record-every-season-the-
same-as-the-past-30-seasons' Matthews. Now if THAT ain't being a
twit, I don't know what is. Or myopic. Or ignorant. Pick one.

SCreep

On Aug 24, 11:47 am, Meano.Cu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Mort Fromage wrote, in part:
>
> > How about 6-8, third in the division, ahead of Chicago.
>
> Sir Creep wrote, in part:
>
> > The Packers should go 6-2 in the division[.]
>
> To summarize for those who missed it:
> Matt Millen's incompetence has created a rift in space and time
> through which Lion fans can travel.
>
> Mort has moved back in time to about 1977 in an attempt to prevent the
> death of disco.
>
> The Creep has moved back to 2001 New Orleans in an attempt to convince
> the populace that living below sea level and trusting FEMA might be a
> bad idea.

I'm squatting in a used FEMA trailer. Now that's about the lowest of
the low. Good thing I stole the electricity from my neighbor's
outdoor hookup to run my computer with :)
SC
PS: Saying Lafayette is New Orleans is like me saying Kalamazoo is
Detroit. They're nowhere near each other. But for perspective sake,
I'll let you carry on with that assumption. It feels good to say
Creep and New Orleans in the same sentence, even though a tad
misplaced. Peace, meano.

On Aug 24, 1:10 pm, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
>
> All joking aside, the Lions have actually looked pretty good this
> preseason. I know it's only preseason, [snnnnip]

No you don't. If you did, you wouldn't have posted whatever the rest
of this paragraph was I snipped. You really DO think that shit that
happens in preseason can be imputed into the regular season? That's
what is so sad, and you are an adult. You HAVE to know better....you
just HAVE to. You are a silly boy Brian.

Here you go you dumb moron, an excerpt from an article located at:
http://www.nfl.com/preseason/story;jsessionid=286A2C0CD381863624A6C156F9575816?id=09000d5d801bf764&template=with-video&confirm=true

"Last year was a perfect case in point. Not one division winner had a
winning record in the preseason.
New England Patriots 2-2
Baltimore Ravens 2-2
Indianapolis Colts 1-3
San Diego Chargers 2-2
Philadelphia Eagles 2-3
Chicago Bears 2-2
New Orleans Saints 1-3
Seattle Seahawks 2-2"

So who (besides a moron) gives a shit what happens at preseason,
Brian. You, that's who. So don't bother us with whatever crap you
typed after your opening sentence trying to dismiss the truth, which
is you really DO think it matters. And you really DO confuse what
happens during the preseason play with what might happen 7 days later,
when the actual lights come on (a bowling term for your white trash
ass). How stupid can a person be?

Who Dat Sir Creep

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com wrote:

10-6

lions, vikes, bears, impacters.

In article <g8en8m01u87@drn.newsguy.com>, snapp44 says...
>
>In article <848d6775-fca3-4b00-b22e-e16066553a8b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
>Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.
>>
>>It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
>>predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
>>probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
>>7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
>>predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
>>defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>>
>>2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
>>Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
>> ----
>>Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
>>Median 4 - 12
>>
>>Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
>>Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>>
>>Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
>>percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>>
>>Raw records by era:
>>Millen 31-81
>>WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>>
>>For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
>>Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
>>the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>>
>>Vikes 36.2%
>>Pack 31.3%
>>Bears 20.0%
>>Lions 12.4%
>>
>>Final 2007 Predictions:
>>Aleric 10 - 6
>>Archie Leach 9 - 7
>>Brian Matthews 9 - 7
>>Robert Solari 8 - 8
>>snapp44 8 - 8
>>wfyehl 8 - 8
>>Chef Michael 8 - 8
>>finsfan 8 - 8
>>Thomas 7 - 9
>>Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
>>SkippyPB 7 - 9
>>MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
>>Markndawoods 7 - 9
>>Grey Matters 6 - 10
>>Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
>>" " (=NHL) 5 - 11
>>John A. Witzke 5 - 11
>>Mort Fromage 4 - 12
>>Sir Creep 4 - 12
>>Meano 2 - 14
>>
>>* "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
>>- February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
>>through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
>>on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.
>11-7 (Includes a playoff win and a playoff loss)
>NFCN (Lions, Vikings, Packers, Bears)
>KEEP MILLEN
>
>Dave
>

Only 8 more wins to go.

Dave

Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com wrote in news:b06c92f0-6a6a-4ae0-8c41-9a40591effcb@
34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.

Weak running game, weak OL, same late season fade by Kitna (I'm tired of
reading how "tough" he is, he's weak when it counts), a bit more
consistency on defense, usual story with injuries.

7-9

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
<sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Saying Lafayette is New Orleans is like me saying Kalamazoo is
>Detroit.


Gonna get pretty windy for the Creep.

In article <0ngmb45occjtsm0rl9doemuf60sed8qnn4@4ax.com>, Brian Matthews says...
>
>On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
><sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Saying Lafayette is New Orleans is like me saying Kalamazoo is
>>Detroit.
>
>
>Gonna get pretty windy for the Creep.

A little justice. He's been blowing it around here for years.

Dave

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com wrote:

>Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.


The Lions sign Rudi Johnson and release Tatum Bell;

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080902/BLOG21/80902046/1049/SPORTS01

This is why I waited for my prediction. Late signings and late
injuries. If everyone stays healthy, I could see the Lions going 10-6
this year. Maybe even 11 wins if they get ALL the bounces. But nothing
ever seems to go the Lions way, so I could also see them going 6-10
and maybe even 5-11. But, I'll go out on a limb and say.......

10-6. They'll make the playoffs and lose in the opening round.

Brian

brian:

The Lions sign Rudi Johnson and release Tatum Bell:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080902/BLOG21/80902046/1049/SPORTS01

This is why I waited for my prediction. Late signings and late injuries.

==================================

lol!!!

which of the following scenarios is more conducive to a back piling up
yards?

a) young fresh legs, solid offensive line and the defense has to worry
about a heisman trophy winning perennial all-pro QB named carson palmer

or

b) broken down, injury-prone, given up on by a team with a history only
marginally better than detroit, an offensive line full of SEIVES and
TURNSTILES and the defense only has to worry about a generic, run of the
mill QB that, let's face it, nobody has ever heard of, named jon kitna

i like rudi...he's certainly better than cason the no-name and that
badger piece of shit calhoun, but this is hardly a difference making
move unless rudi can play LB

[ bracing myself for the insufferable, out of control optimism that will
take place **IF** we beat a hapless atlanta team sunday ]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:19:21 -0400, JWitzke@webtv.net (John A Witzke)
wrote:

>[ bracing myself for the insufferable, out of control optimism that will
>take place **IF** we beat a hapless atlanta team sunday ]


After starting the season 6-2 last year, it would take a lot to be as
"out of control" as last year. If the Lions string together a winning
streak to start the season, watch out for the trolls and posts
starting flame wars. It's the same every year, we'll see some Chicago,
Dallas and Green Bay fans in here talking trash, but on the most part,
real Lion fans know how to talk to each other.

Ok, here it is ....

Lions 6-10

NFC North finish: Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit

The rick

<Meano.Culpa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:848d6775-fca3-4b00-b22e-e16066553a8b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> Reply before kickoff against the Falcons on September 7th.


9-7 Vikes, Lions, Pack, Da Bears. A Wild card spot and a win but that is
it.













>
> It has been argued that groups are better than individuals at
> predicting things like this (through "aggregation of individual
> probability estimates"). Last year, the group's median prediction was
> 7-9 (with 6.7 wins & 9.3 losses as the mean). Five a.s.f.p.d-l
> predictions were dead on and my prediction was the furthest off. In my
> defense, I had my crystal ball tuned to the second half of the season.
>
> 2008-09* Season Lions record and (NFCN predicted order)
> Meano 4 - 12 (Pack, Vikes, Bears, Leos)
> ----
> Mean (n=01) 4 - 12
> Median 4 - 12
>
> ----
> Mean (Millen era) 4.43 - 11.57
> Mean (WCFSr. era) 6.89 - 9.11
>
> Millen era (2001-pres) and WCF, Sr. era (1964-pres) are actual W-L-T
> percentages times sixteen games, counting a tie as half a win.
>
> Raw records by era:
> Millen 31-81
> WCF, Sr. 281-374-13
>
> ----
> For bonus bragging rights, pick the order of finish in the NFC North.
> Normalizing odds from twelve different UK and Vegas sites and removing
> the house take, here are the odds to win the NFC North.
>
> Vikes 36.2%
> Pack 31.3%
> Bears 20.0%
> Lions 12.4%
>
> ----
> Final 2007 Predictions:
> Aleric 10 - 6
> Archie Leach 9 - 7
> Brian Matthews 9 - 7
> Robert Solari 8 - 8
> snapp44 8 - 8
> wfyehl 8 - 8
> Chef Michael 8 - 8
> finsfan 8 - 8
> Thomas 7 - 9
> Andy VanDusen 7 - 9
> SkippyPB 7 - 9
> MarsLionsFan 7 - 9
> Markndawoods 7 - 9
> Grey Matters 6 - 10
> Yooper Boyka 5 - 11
> " " (=NHL) 5 - 11
> John A. Witzke 5 - 11
> Mort Fromage 4 - 12
> Sir Creep 4 - 12
> Meano 2 - 14
>
> ----
> * "2008-09 season" reflects NFL playoffs to be played January 3, 2009
> - February 1, 2009 following regular season played from September
> through December, 2008. The Detroit Lions season will officially end
> on Sunday, December 28th, 2008.

may as well add my division predictions before kick-off

vikes
bears
lions
breen gay piece of shit peckers

more than anything else this season, i'm looking forward to watching all
of those FAKE pecker fans eating the giant dog shit reality
sandwich...rejoice!...we have finally reached THE END of seeing generic,
run of the mill skill position players in that uniform being made to
look like all-pros...i've already posted this several times to their NG,
and will be doing so ad nauseum throughout the year:

EAT SHIT, CHEESEHEADS!

without #4:

ryan grant = harlan huckleby, vince workman, eddie lee ivery, keith
woodside or WSSP's gerry ellis

donald driver (WHO?!?!?!?!?) = jeff query, charles wilson or phillip
epps

greg jennings = sanjay beach, carl bland or perry kemp

(as an aside, PLEASE raise your hand if you've E-V-E-R heard of donald
driver)

*********************************************** welcome back to being
the completely IRRELEVANT afterthought outhouse franchise you were for
the E-N-T-I-R-E post-lombardi era until captain hillbilly bert farve
rode into that insufferable little racist village on his white horse and
made you feel like you actually mattered for a decade and a half
**********************************************

what a way to treat the guy that MADE you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dick lynnie was "good"...majik don was "good"...both had 4K yard passing
seasons...by the same token, jason bay is "good"

my team BLOWS HARD, but i'm gonna enjoy every second of this reality
check all of you (p)sychophants are about to endure

CANNOT WAIT TO PISS ON YOUR GRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!

On Aug 24, 6:48 pm, Sir Creep <sircr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 1:10 pm, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All joking aside, the Lions have actually looked pretty good this
> > preseason. I know it's only preseason, [snnnnip]
>
> No you don't.  If you did, you wouldn't have posted whatever the rest
> of this paragraph was I snipped.  You really DO think that shit that
> happens in preseason can be imputed into the regular season?  That's
> what is so sad, and you are an adult.  You HAVE to know better....you
> just HAVE to. You are a silly boy Brian.
>
> Here you go you dumb moron, an excerpt from an article located at:http://www.nfl.com/preseason/story;jsessionid=286A2C0CD381863624A6C15...
>
> "Last year was a perfect case in point. Not one division winner had a
> winning record in the preseason.
> New England Patriots 2-2
> Baltimore Ravens 2-2
> Indianapolis Colts 1-3
> San Diego Chargers 2-2
> Philadelphia Eagles 2-3
> Chicago Bears 2-2
> New Orleans Saints 1-3
> Seattle Seahawks 2-2"
>
> So who (besides a moron) gives a shit what happens at preseason,
> Brian.  You, that's who.  So don't bother us with whatever crap you
> typed after your opening sentence trying to dismiss the truth, which
> is you really DO think it matters. And you really DO confuse what
> happens during the preseason play with what might happen 7 days later,
> when the actual lights come on (a bowling term for your white trash
> ass).  How stupid can a person be?
>
> Who Dat Sir Creep

Well ain't that something, Brian couldn't put on a new diaper and
respond? Truth hurts....esp when backed up with facts. How's that
4-0 preseason looking now, you stupid jackass. Brian?.....Is this
thing on? .....Brian?
SC

On Sep 1, 8:50 am, snapp44 <snapp44_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> In article <0ngmb45occjtsm0rl9doemuf60sed8q...@4ax.com>, Brian Matthews says...
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:10:48 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
> ><sircr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Saying Lafayette is New Orleans is like me saying Kalamazoo is
> >>Detroit.
>
> >Gonna get pretty windy for the Creep.
>
> A little justice. He's been blowing it around here for years.
>
> Dave

And everything I've said is right on, brother Dave.
BTW, you can see all my footage of it from my balcony on youtube....if
you can put a simple search syntax together.
I'm waiting to hear why Millen needs to stay after this past week.
Should be a long conversation there, eh?
SC

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
<sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Sep 7 @Atlanta 1:00pm I can't imagine it, but they DO seem to
>always beat the Falcons. WIN


And you're calling out OTHERS for predicting a win? Shows what a moron
you REALLY are. LMAO

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:27:47 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
<sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:

>And everything I've said is right on, brother Dave.

But you said the Lions would beat Atlanta. So...everything you've said
is WRONG? LMAO

Lions 0 -16. They'll have a perfect season....


A.C.
host, Free Radio Jackson


Free Radio Jackson
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On Sep 9, 12:44 am, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
>
> <sircr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Sep 7 @Atlanta 1:00pm      I can't imagine it, but they DO seem to
> >always beat the Falcons.  WIN
>
> And you're calling out OTHERS for predicting a win? Shows what a moron
> you REALLY are. LMAO

No. You know that isn't true, as usual.
Show me the post where I called anyone out for predicting a week 1
win.
You never cease to amaze your revisionist history in your posts,
particularly my posting history.
But here's your umpteenth opportunity....find it, cut it, paste it.

I'm not even sure whatyou're referring to....but if it was you being
childishly giddy over a 4-0 preseason and equating that to regular
season success, then I believe THAT is what I called you and anyone
like you out on.
SC

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:29:55 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
<sircreep@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 9, 12:44 am, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Sir Creep
>>
>> <sircr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Sep 7 @Atlanta 1:00pm      I can't imagine it, but they DO seem to
>> >always beat the Falcons.  WIN
>>
>> And you're calling out OTHERS for predicting a win? Shows what a moron
>> you REALLY are. LMAO
>
>No. You know that isn't true, as usual.
>Show me the post where I called anyone out for predicting a week 1
>win.


Are you a heavy drinker? Do you have black outs?
Here is what I'm saying;

You called the game in Atlanta a win for the Lions and here is your
post after they lost;

On Sep 6, 6:44 pm, Brian Matthews <nooneca...@ddd.com> wrote:
> Work on the running game after building a nice lead.
> My call for the final score;
>
> Lions 27 Falcons 10

When you people have had enough of Brian, let me know.
LMAO
SC


>You never cease to amaze your revisionist history in your posts,
>particularly my posting history.
>But here's your umpteenth opportunity....find it, cut it, paste it.

Done and done.