Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
yes.

Hats N Bats

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On Aug 19, 7:18 am, Hats N Bats wrote:
> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
> yes.

As soon as training camp is safely over.


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DocE


"The future ain't what it used to be." -Yogi Berra
--------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
<DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 7:18 am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
>> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>> yes.
>
>As soon as training camp is safely over.

If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
******************************************************************

Kevin McClave wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 19, 7:18�am, Hats N Bats wrote:
> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
> >> yes.
> >
> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>
> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>
> ******************************************************************
> Kevin McClave
>
> "To justify himself, each relies on
> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
> ******************************************************************

Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
don't think he'll pull a
Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
than to put them in the
same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
Lois

"Lois" <talk2pets@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cb6a05f2-0822-4aa1-b0d7-2fb10077e31a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Kevin McClave wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 19, 7:18�am, Hats N Bats wrote:
> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
> >> yes.
> >
> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>
> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>
> ******************************************************************
> Kevin McClave
>
> "To justify himself, each relies on
> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
> ******************************************************************

>Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>don't think he'll pull a
>Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>than to put them in the
>same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>Lois

Not to mention we have a guy much more suited and battle tested to take over
for Strahan then Greenbay does for replacing Favre.
His name is Justin Tuck.

Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
injuries on the DL.

On Aug 19, 11:39 am, Lois <talk2p...@aol.com> wrote:

>
> Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports?????  I
> don't think he'll pull a
> Favre deal.  I think he respects and loves his former team too much
> than to put them in the
> same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>

Now interviewing Anthony Pierce in the Giants huddle ... Glad they
made that headset rule ... So Anthony when I rush past the TE ...
you'll cover him so the QB doesn't have an outlet ... that Okay ??
Back to you Jack and Troy ...

But they are two of the several on FOX Sports I want Strahan to
sack ...

Troy Aikman suffered his tenth concussion this broadcasting season ...
This time blocking Strahan from the buffet ...

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
<DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:

>On Aug 19, 7:18 am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
>> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>> yes.
>
>As soon as training camp is safely over.
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>DocE
>
>
>"The future ain't what it used to be." -Yogi Berra
>--------------------------------------------------

You think he might learn from his buddy Bret Favre?

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:36:00 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
wrote:

>
>"Lois" <talk2pets@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:cb6a05f2-0822-4aa1-b0d7-2fb10077e31a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>Kevin McClave wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Aug 19, 7:18?am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
>> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>> >> yes.
>> >
>> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>>
>> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>>
>> ******************************************************************
>> Kevin McClave
>>
>> "To justify himself, each relies on
>> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
>> ******************************************************************
>
>>Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>>don't think he'll pull a
>>Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>>than to put them in the
>>same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>>Lois
>
>Not to mention we have a guy much more suited and battle tested to take over
>for Strahan then Greenbay does for replacing Favre.
>His name is Justin Tuck.
>
>Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>injuries on the DL.

Not even then. DE is not like QB position, a drop off is huge in DE
as wear and tear started to kick in. It happened to the best of them
(like Bruce Smith, or LBs Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks) and
unfortunately it happened to Strahan. It's time for him to retire...
for good.

Of course he can take a page out of Favre's playbook and bluff to come
back, and ask the Giants management to pay him $20 million to "stay
retire" the way Green Bay offered Favre (of course Favre turned it
down.)

Didn't Strahan's ugly divorce cost him like $25 million? I'm surprise
he retired at all and I thought he needed the money.

"Doctor Chen" <drchen@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ng0ma4t0quuq6jtlv21kp0gbec6540rr8u@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:36:00 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lois" <talk2pets@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:cb6a05f2-0822-4aa1-b0d7-2fb10077e31a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Aug 19, 7:18?am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>>> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable
>>> >> he
>>> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>>> >> yes.
>>> >
>>> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>>>
>>> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>>>
>>> ******************************************************************
>>> Kevin McClave
>>>
>>> "To justify himself, each relies on
>>> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
>>> ******************************************************************
>>
>>>Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>>>don't think he'll pull a
>>>Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>>>than to put them in the
>>>same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>>>Lois
>>
>>Not to mention we have a guy much more suited and battle tested to take
>>over
>>for Strahan then Greenbay does for replacing Favre.
>>His name is Justin Tuck.
>>
>>Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>>injuries on the DL.
>
> Not even then. DE is not like QB position, a drop off is huge in DE
> as wear and tear started to kick in. It happened to the best of them
> (like Bruce Smith, or LBs Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks) and
> unfortunately it happened to Strahan. It's time for him to retire...
> for good.

It "happened" to Strahan? If you think Strahan wasn't a huge part of last
years Championship Defense a got bridge in brooklyn I want to sell you.

>
> Of course he can take a page out of Favre's playbook and bluff to come
> back, and ask the Giants management to pay him $20 million to "stay
> retire" the way Green Bay offered Favre (of course Favre turned it
> down.)
>
> Didn't Strahan's ugly divorce cost him like $25 million? I'm surprise
> he retired at all and I thought he needed the money.
>
>

He is on national TV and the #1 pregame show. It would be stupid even
financially to burn a possible 20 year bridge just for one more shot for a
few million more dollars. He could possibly make tens of millions at FOX
before all is said and done. I'm sure Bradshaw makes more than most NFL
players do now and WAY more than when he played. John Madden probably makes
more then ANY NFL player. I'm not saying Strahan will definately rise to the
top of the TV profession like those guys but he has a shot.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:07:24 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
wrote:

>
>"Doctor Chen" <drchen@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ng0ma4t0quuq6jtlv21kp0gbec6540rr8u@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:36:00 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lois" <talk2pets@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cb6a05f2-0822-4aa1-b0d7-2fb10077e31a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>>>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Aug 19, 7:18?am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>>>> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable
>>>> >> he
>>>> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>>>> >> yes.
>>>> >
>>>> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>>>>
>>>> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>>>>
>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>> Kevin McClave
>>>>
>>>> "To justify himself, each relies on
>>>> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>
>>>>Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>>>>don't think he'll pull a
>>>>Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>>>>than to put them in the
>>>>same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>>>>Lois
>>>
>>>Not to mention we have a guy much more suited and battle tested to take
>>>over
>>>for Strahan then Greenbay does for replacing Favre.
>>>His name is Justin Tuck.
>>>
>>>Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>>>injuries on the DL.
>>
>> Not even then. DE is not like QB position, a drop off is huge in DE
>> as wear and tear started to kick in. It happened to the best of them
>> (like Bruce Smith, or LBs Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks) and
>> unfortunately it happened to Strahan. It's time for him to retire...
>> for good.
>
>It "happened" to Strahan? If you think Strahan wasn't a huge part of last
>years Championship Defense a got bridge in brooklyn I want to sell you.
>
>>
>> Of course he can take a page out of Favre's playbook and bluff to come
>> back, and ask the Giants management to pay him $20 million to "stay
>> retire" the way Green Bay offered Favre (of course Favre turned it
>> down.)
>>
>> Didn't Strahan's ugly divorce cost him like $25 million? I'm surprise
>> he retired at all and I thought he needed the money.
>>
>>
>
>He is on national TV and the #1 pregame show. It would be stupid even
>financially to burn a possible 20 year bridge just for one more shot for a
>few million more dollars. He could possibly make tens of millions at FOX
>before all is said and done. I'm sure Bradshaw makes more than most NFL
>players do now and WAY more than when he played. John Madden probably makes
>more then ANY NFL player. I'm not saying Strahan will definately rise to the
>top of the TV profession like those guys but he has a shot.

I'm not denying that, but I can see a pattern forming and at his age
it's not good.

From 1994 to 2003 he's been perfect health and a monster.

2004, 8 games, 4 sacks, 28 tackles
2005, 16 games, 11.5 sacks, 61 tackles
2006, 9 games, 3 sacks, 28 tackles
2007, 16 games, 9 sacks, 45 tackles

Not exactly a model of consistency. Also does he really want to come
back and risk looking old, getting pushed around by younger OLs, or
retired on "top" of his game and will forver be glorious in the
memories of Giants football?

There is precedent. Frank Gifford came back for two more years as a WR after a
one year retirement.


"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:04mla49ib228m14rtkhjl62qv75i97qf3c@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 19, 7:18 am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>>> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
>>> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>>> yes.
>>
>>As soon as training camp is safely over.
>
> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>
> ******************************************************************
> Kevin McClave
>
> "To justify himself, each relies on
> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
> ******************************************************************

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT), Lois <talk2pets@aol.com>
wrote:

>Kevin McClave wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Aug 19, 7:18?am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
>> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>> >> yes.
>> >
>> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>>
>> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>
>Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>don't think he'll pull a
>Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>than to put them in the
>same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>Lois

LOL. Sorry, Lois, I have to disagree. There's a history there that says
otherwise, too.

Good to see your voice here!
*********************************************************************
Kevin P. McClave

"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of
people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy
*********************************************************************

"Doctor Chen" <drchen@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:07:24 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doctor Chen" <drchen@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:ng0ma4t0quuq6jtlv21kp0gbec6540rr8u@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:36:00 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Lois" <talk2pets@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:cb6a05f2-0822-4aa1-b0d7-2fb10077e31a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>>>>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Aug 19, 7:18?am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>>>>> >> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable
>>>>> >> he
>>>>> >> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were
>>>>> >> right...
>>>>> >> yes.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >As soon as training camp is safely over.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>>> Kevin McClave
>>>>>
>>>>> "To justify himself, each relies on
>>>>> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
>>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>>
>>>>>Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>>>>>don't think he'll pull a
>>>>>Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>>>>>than to put them in the
>>>>>same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>>>>>Lois
>>>>
>>>>Not to mention we have a guy much more suited and battle tested to take
>>>>over
>>>>for Strahan then Greenbay does for replacing Favre.
>>>>His name is Justin Tuck.
>>>>
>>>>Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>>>>injuries on the DL.
>>>
>>> Not even then. DE is not like QB position, a drop off is huge in DE
>>> as wear and tear started to kick in. It happened to the best of them
>>> (like Bruce Smith, or LBs Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks) and
>>> unfortunately it happened to Strahan. It's time for him to retire...
>>> for good.
>>
>>It "happened" to Strahan? If you think Strahan wasn't a huge part of last
>>years Championship Defense a got bridge in brooklyn I want to sell you.
>>
>>>
>>> Of course he can take a page out of Favre's playbook and bluff to come
>>> back, and ask the Giants management to pay him $20 million to "stay
>>> retire" the way Green Bay offered Favre (of course Favre turned it
>>> down.)
>>>
>>> Didn't Strahan's ugly divorce cost him like $25 million? I'm surprise
>>> he retired at all and I thought he needed the money.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>He is on national TV and the #1 pregame show. It would be stupid even
>>financially to burn a possible 20 year bridge just for one more shot for a
>>few million more dollars. He could possibly make tens of millions at FOX
>>before all is said and done. I'm sure Bradshaw makes more than most NFL
>>players do now and WAY more than when he played. John Madden probably
>>makes
>>more then ANY NFL player. I'm not saying Strahan will definately rise to
>>the
>>top of the TV profession like those guys but he has a shot.
>
> I'm not denying that, but I can see a pattern forming and at his age
> it's not good.
>
> From 1994 to 2003 he's been perfect health and a monster.
>
> 2004, 8 games, 4 sacks, 28 tackles
> 2005, 16 games, 11.5 sacks, 61 tackles
> 2006, 9 games, 3 sacks, 28 tackles
> 2007, 16 games, 9 sacks, 45 tackles
>
> Not exactly a model of consistency. Also does he really want to come
> back and risk looking old, getting pushed around by younger OLs, or
> retired on "top" of his game and will forver be glorious in the
> memories of Giants football?
>
>
>
>

I agree with you he should stay where he is but we can't minimize his
contributions last year.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:28:48 -0400, Kevin McClave
<kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
><DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 19, 7:18 am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>>> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how comfortable he
>>> is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the money were right...
>>> yes.
>>
>>As soon as training camp is safely over.
>
>If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove it.
>

Unless of course the Giant organization is open to the whole process.
Stranger things have happened.

Hats N Bats

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IommiRULES wrote:

> Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
> injuries on the DL.

Fuck you.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:24 -0400, "Brian K. O'Neill"
<a2ys3s902@sneakemail.com> wrote:

>IommiRULES wrote:
>
>> Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>> injuries on the DL.
>
>Fuck you.
>

Talk about the schnooker...

Hats N Bats

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"Hats N Bats" wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:24 -0400, "Brian K. O'Neill"
> <a2ys3s902@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
>>IommiRULES wrote:
>>
>>> Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>>> injuries on the DL.
>>
>>Fuck you.
>>
>
> Talk about the schnooker...
>
> Hats N Bats
>
> --
> Remove the 5s to e-mail
>
> NY Giants 2007 Super Bowl Champions!


Injuries are part of the game in the NFL, you can't wish them away by not
mentioning them, you ALWAYS have to have a back up plan. Like any good chess
player (or GM) I was just thinking several moves ahead. That being said I
doubt Stray comes back tho.

Thats why I love the addition of Carr. There is a lot of teams right now if
their QB goes down it's season over, before the Carr move the Giants were
one of those teams.

I'll play devils advocate: half of Osi's sacks came in one game last year,
and while he has improved vs the run he never was nor will ever be a Strahan
in that area. If Strahan does come back and with Tuck on the other side we
wont miss a beat, just like I don't think we would have after Stray retired
with Osi and Tuck.... assuming Stray has something left in the tank.

>Only way I would even want Strahan to
>come back is if we start having injuries on
>the DL.

Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.

--
"Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
far we've sunk as a culture

On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:

> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.


I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
>> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>
>
>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...

Last season, when he held out of camp while he considered "retiring," he
didn't really make much of a difference for roughly the first third of
the regular season (he was all but invisible until midway through game
5). Now he's a year older and has, presumably, not been working out with
the intention of playing (which I'm sure he did to some extent while he
pondered his "future" last training camp).

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
******************************************************************

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
>> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>
>
>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>

I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
a "real fan."
Please leave the premises.

Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!

Fred

On Aug 25, 9:37 am, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> >> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
> >> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
> >> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>
> >I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
> >want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
> >doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
> >physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
> >look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
> >of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
> >paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
> >the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>
> I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
> 6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
> a "real fan."
> Please leave the premises.
>
> Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!

6 sure had us fooled.

By the way, I just saw a couple of reports on whether Strahan is
interested in playing again. He says, "The cell phone is on."


--------------------------------------------------
DocE


"The future ain't what it used to be." -Yogi Berra
--------------------------------------------------

IommiRULES wrote:
> "Lois" <talk2pets@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:cb6a05f2-0822-4aa1-b0d7-2fb10077e31a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Kevin McClave wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 19, 7:18�am, Hats N Bats wrote:
>>>> Up at Albany, at the game last night, talking about how
>>>> comfortable he is with retirement. Wil he be back? I say if the
>>>> money were right... yes.
>>>
>>> As soon as training camp is safely over.
>>
>> If that were to be attempted, I'd hope Reese would tell him to shove
>> it. ******************************************************************
>> Kevin McClave
>>
>> "To justify himself, each relies on
>> the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
>> ******************************************************************
>
>> Doesn't he have a contract with another team......FOX sports????? I
>> don't think he'll pull a
>> Favre deal. I think he respects and loves his former team too much
>> than to put them in the
>> same turmoil as Favre did to the Packers.
>> Lois
>
> Not to mention we have a guy much more suited and battle tested to
> take over for Strahan then Greenbay does for replacing Favre.
> His name is Justin Tuck.
>
> Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
> injuries on the DL.

You had to say it, didn't you? :)

Bill

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
<DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:

>On Aug 25, 9:37 am, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>
>> >> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>> >> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
>> >> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>>
>> >I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>> >want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>> >doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>> >physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>> >look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>> >of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>> >paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>> >the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>
>> I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
>> 6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
>> a "real fan."
>> Please leave the premises.
>>
>> Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!
>
>6 sure had us fooled.
>
>By the way, I just saw a couple of reports on whether Strahan is
>interested in playing again. He says, "The cell phone is on."

I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!!!

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
******************************************************************

"number6" <snumber6@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c8e9f4a1-a753-41e4-bf15-59461d6e0b06@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:

> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.


>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...

If he wants to come back it's a no-brainer, you sign him.
Even if it takes him a month to get up to speed I think the "intangible"
effect of the Giants leader coming back in their time of need would be a
HUGE morale boost to the whole team.
And no one is going to sit here with a straight face and tell me he can't
outplay Wynn or Tollefson this year.
Chris is at least 95% right, because thats probably the percentage of fans
who would love to have him back.

"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:66f5b454olh6go0ebih039n3e2s12342bt@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>
>>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>>> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
>>> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>>
>>
>>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>
> Last season, when he held out of camp while he considered "retiring," he
> didn't really make much of a difference for roughly the first third of
> the regular season (he was all but invisible until midway through game
> 5). Now he's a year older and has, presumably, not been working out with
> the intention of playing (which I'm sure he did to some extent while he
> pondered his "future" last training camp).
>

He made enough of a difference where arguably no Giant has a SB ring on his
finger if he didn't come back.
But we all know how quick you have been to get in Strays corner in the past,
so no one expects it now.
I'm surprised even Hats seems in favor of it.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:49:25 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
wrote:

>
>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:66f5b454olh6go0ebih039n3e2s12342bt@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>>>> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
>>>> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>>>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>>>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>>>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>>>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>>>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>
>> Last season, when he held out of camp while he considered "retiring," he
>> didn't really make much of a difference for roughly the first third of
>> the regular season (he was all but invisible until midway through game
>> 5). Now he's a year older and has, presumably, not been working out with
>> the intention of playing (which I'm sure he did to some extent while he
>> pondered his "future" last training camp).
>
>He made enough of a difference where arguably no Giant has a SB ring on his
>finger if he didn't come back.
>But we all know how quick you have been to get in Strays corner in the past,
>so no one expects it now.
>I'm surprised even Hats seems in favor of it.

I'm not surprised you're acting like a douchebag.

Try to put your agenda (picking fights with me) aside and you might see
that everything I just wrote, and the possible outcome, is completely
reasonable.

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
******************************************************************

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:01:22 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
wrote:

>
>"Hats N Bats" wrote in message
>news:f1c1b4hnqpchqrqh0akclq21jr5h7asfge@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:24 -0400, "Brian K. O'Neill"
>> <a2ys3s902@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>IommiRULES wrote:
>>>
>>>> Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start having
>>>> injuries on the DL.
>>>
>>>Fuck you.
>>>
>>
>> Talk about the schnooker...
>>
>> Hats N Bats
>>
>> --
>> Remove the 5s to e-mail
>>
>> NY Giants 2007 Super Bowl Champions!
>
>
>Injuries are part of the game in the NFL, you can't wish them away by not
>mentioning them, you ALWAYS have to have a back up plan. Like any good chess
>player (or GM) I was just thinking several moves ahead. That being said I
>doubt Stray comes back tho.
>

I'm not so sure. Stray didn't exactly get into retirement without
first trying to negotiate a return. There were leaks that the major
(and some would say only) reason Stray decided to retire because he
felt Reese was "cheapening" him by offering no more than $6 million a
year. On WFAN today the figure $8 million was floating around, and I
think Stray would seriously consider coming back if the price is
right.

>I'll play devils advocate: half of Osi's sacks came in one game last year,
>and while he has improved vs the run he never was nor will ever be a Strahan
>in that area. If Strahan does come back and with Tuck on the other side we
>wont miss a beat, just like I don't think we would have after Stray retired
>with Osi and Tuck.... assuming Stray has something left in the tank.

To this I agree. Osi seems to be hit or miss at DE. He either
dominates the game or gets completely shut down. 13 sacks last
seasons? Didn't he get 6 in one game vs. Eagles? So that leaves 7
sacks for the 15 other games. Not exactly consistency.

"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:8gm5b4pq2kr9g3i6hbk7opnfke3pab0kbh@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:49:25 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:66f5b454olh6go0ebih039n3e2s12342bt@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>>>>> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means
>>>>> you're
>>>>> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>>>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>>>>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>>>>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>>>>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>>>>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>>>>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>>>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>>
>>> Last season, when he held out of camp while he considered "retiring," he
>>> didn't really make much of a difference for roughly the first third of
>>> the regular season (he was all but invisible until midway through game
>>> 5). Now he's a year older and has, presumably, not been working out with
>>> the intention of playing (which I'm sure he did to some extent while he
>>> pondered his "future" last training camp).
>>
>>He made enough of a difference where arguably no Giant has a SB ring on
>>his
>>finger if he didn't come back.
>>But we all know how quick you have been to get in Strays corner in the
>>past,
>>so no one expects it now.
>>I'm surprised even Hats seems in favor of it.
>
> I'm not surprised you're acting like a douchebag.
>
> Try to put your agenda (picking fights with me) aside and you might see
> that everything I just wrote, and the possible outcome, is completely
> reasonable.
>

Agenda? I haven't been the guy brow beating Strahan the last 8 years, you
have the agenda not me.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:37:58 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
wrote:

>
>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:8gm5b4pq2kr9g3i6hbk7opnfke3pab0kbh@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:49:25 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:66f5b454olh6go0ebih039n3e2s12342bt@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>>>>>> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>>>>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>>>>>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>>>>>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>>>>>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>>>>>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>>>>>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>>>>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>>>
>>>> Last season, when he held out of camp while he considered "retiring," he
>>>> didn't really make much of a difference for roughly the first third of
>>>> the regular season (he was all but invisible until midway through game
>>>> 5). Now he's a year older and has, presumably, not been working out with
>>>> the intention of playing (which I'm sure he did to some extent while he
>>>> pondered his "future" last training camp).
>>>
>>>He made enough of a difference where arguably no Giant has a SB ring on
>>>his
>>>finger if he didn't come back.
>>>But we all know how quick you have been to get in Strays corner in the
>>>past,
>>>so no one expects it now.
>>>I'm surprised even Hats seems in favor of it.
>>
>> I'm not surprised you're acting like a douchebag.
>>
>> Try to put your agenda (picking fights with me) aside and you might see
>> that everything I just wrote, and the possible outcome, is completely
>> reasonable.
>>
>
>Agenda? I haven't been the guy brow beating Strahan the last 8 years, you
>have the agenda not me.

Uh-huh.

So, then what in the post to which you responded initially is untrue?

******************************************************************
Kevin McClave

"To justify himself, each relies on
the other's crime." ~Albert Camus
******************************************************************

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
<DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:

>On Aug 25, 9:37 am, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>
>> >> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
>> >> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
>> >> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>>
>> >I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>> >want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>> >doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>> >physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>> >look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>> >of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>> >paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>> >the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>
>> I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
>> 6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
>> a "real fan."
>> Please leave the premises.
>>
>> Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!
>
>6 sure had us fooled.
>
>By the way, I just saw a couple of reports on whether Strahan is
>interested in playing again. He says, "The cell phone is on."
>
I don't think it will happen, but I'd be happy if it did.
For three reasons:

1. It's obvious.
2. The Giants don't have any team leaders left. NONE!
3. It proves that I am a "real fan," unlike you-know-who!

Fred

On Aug 25, 5:16 pm, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>
>
>
>
>
> <DoctorElef...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 25, 9:37 am, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> >> >> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves a
> >> >> Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise means you're
> >> >> not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with anyone else.
>
> >> >I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
> >> >want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
> >> >doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
> >> >physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
> >> >look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
> >> >of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
> >> >paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
> >> >the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>
> >> I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
> >> 6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
> >> a "real fan."
> >> Please leave the premises.
>
> >> Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!
>
> >6 sure had us fooled.
>
> >By the way, I just saw a couple of reports on whether Strahan is
> >interested in playing again. He says, "The cell phone is on."
>
> I don't think it will happen, but I'd be happy if it did.
> For three reasons:
>
> 1.  It's obvious.
> 2. The Giants don't have any team leaders left. NONE!
> 3. It proves that I am a "real fan," unlike you-know-who!

At least I'm a "reel fan" ... I like the Godfather movies ... the
Indiana Jones movies ... and a lot more ...
and I also like fishing ...
which makes me a rod ... and reel fan ...

Fred C. Dobbs wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 25, 9:37 am, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves
>>>>> a Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise
>>>>> means you're not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with
>>>>> anyone else.
>>>
>>>> I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>>> want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but
>>>> Strahan doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game
>>>> shape physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ...
>>>> and to look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to
>>>> him, the rest of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks
>>>> good on
>>>> paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>>> the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
>>> 6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
>>> a "real fan."
>>> Please leave the premises.
>>>
>>> Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!
>>
>> 6 sure had us fooled.
>>
>> By the way, I just saw a couple of reports on whether Strahan is
>> interested in playing again. He says, "The cell phone is on."
>>
> I don't think it will happen, but I'd be happy if it did.
> For three reasons:
>
> 1. It's obvious.
> 2. The Giants don't have any team leaders left. NONE!
> 3. It proves that I am a "real fan," unlike you-know-who!

It's one step closer with Fox telling Stra he can play for a year and his
job will be waiting for him next year. ESPN reports the Giants and Strahan
are discussion things.

Bill

Doctor Chen wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:01:22 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hats N Bats" wrote in message
>> news:f1c1b4hnqpchqrqh0akclq21jr5h7asfge@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:24 -0400, "Brian K. O'Neill"
>>> <a2ys3s902@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IommiRULES wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only way I would even want Strahan to come back is if we start
>>>>> having injuries on the DL.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Talk about the schnooker...
>>>
>>> Hats N Bats
>>>
>>> --
>>> Remove the 5s to e-mail
>>>
>>> NY Giants 2007 Super Bowl Champions!
>>
>>
>> Injuries are part of the game in the NFL, you can't wish them away
>> by not mentioning them, you ALWAYS have to have a back up plan. Like
>> any good chess player (or GM) I was just thinking several moves
>> ahead. That being said I doubt Stray comes back tho.
>>
>
> I'm not so sure. Stray didn't exactly get into retirement without
> first trying to negotiate a return. There were leaks that the major
> (and some would say only) reason Stray decided to retire because he
> felt Reese was "cheapening" him by offering no more than $6 million a
> year. On WFAN today the figure $8 million was floating around, and I
> think Stray would seriously consider coming back if the price is
> right.
>
>> I'll play devils advocate: half of Osi's sacks came in one game last
>> year, and while he has improved vs the run he never was nor will
>> ever be a Strahan in that area. If Strahan does come back and with
>> Tuck on the other side we wont miss a beat, just like I don't think
>> we would have after Stray retired with Osi and Tuck.... assuming
>> Stray has something left in the tank.
>
> To this I agree. Osi seems to be hit or miss at DE. He either
> dominates the game or gets completely shut down. 13 sacks last
> seasons? Didn't he get 6 in one game vs. Eagles? So that leaves 7
> sacks for the 15 other games. Not exactly consistency.

Yes, but he gets a lot of credit for pursuing the QB and chasing down a
scrambling QB, both of which often turn into losses or incompleted passes.
Lacking sacks doesn't mean he wasn't significantly disrupting things out
there.

Bill A.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:31:14 -0400, "Bill A." <bill@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Fred C. Dobbs wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT), DoctorElefant
>> <DoctorElefant@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 9:37 am, Fred C. Dobbs <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 25, 5:04 am, headbanger11...@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Let's get something clear right now: any one declaring themselves
>>>>>> a Giants fan wants Strahan back, right now. To say otherwise
>>>>>> means you're not a real fan, because Osi isn't replacable with
>>>>>> anyone else.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>>>> want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but
>>>>> Strahan doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game
>>>>> shape physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ...
>>>>> and to look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to
>>>>> him, the rest of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks
>>>>> good on
>>>>> paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>>>> the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but someone has to do this:
>>>> 6, it's been nice, but according to the note above, you are not
>>>> a "real fan."
>>>> Please leave the premises.
>>>>
>>>> Will miss the laughs, but Doc is still here!
>>>
>>> 6 sure had us fooled.
>>>
>>> By the way, I just saw a couple of reports on whether Strahan is
>>> interested in playing again. He says, "The cell phone is on."
>>>
>> I don't think it will happen, but I'd be happy if it did.
>> For three reasons:
>>
>> 1. It's obvious.
>> 2. The Giants don't have any team leaders left. NONE!
>> 3. It proves that I am a "real fan," unlike you-know-who!
>
>It's one step closer with Fox telling Stra he can play for a year and his
>job will be waiting for him next year. ESPN reports the Giants and Strahan
>are discussion things.
>
I'm not hearing any of this at the Democratic Convention.
Guess I'll turn to the NFL Network. . .

Fred

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:46:35 -0400, Kevin McClave
<kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:37:58 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
>wrote:
>>
>>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:8gm5b4pq2kr9g3i6hbk7opnfke3pab0kbh@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:49:25 -0400, "IommiRULES" <spamthis@bird.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:66f5b454olh6go0ebih039n3e2s12342bt@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumber6@aol.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm just about as real a Giants fan as you can get ... and I don't
>>>>>>want Strahan back ... I agree Osi is not replaceable ... but Strahan
>>>>>>doesn't fill the bill either ... By the time he's in game shape
>>>>>>physically ... He still won't be in game shape mentally ... and to
>>>>>>look to him as the saviour for the season isn't fair to him, the rest
>>>>>>of the team and the Giants as a whole ... It looks good on
>>>>>>paper ...but in reality it wouldn't really help ... best to go with
>>>>>>the guys we have and hope they kick it up a notch ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Last season, when he held out of camp while he considered "retiring," he
>>>>> didn't really make much of a difference for roughly the first third of
>>>>> the regular season (he was all but invisible until midway through game
>>>>> 5). Now he's a year older and has, presumably, not been working out with
>>>>> the intention of playing (which I'm sure he did to some extent while he
>>>>> pondered his "future" last training camp).
>>>>
>>>>He made enough of a difference where arguably no Giant has a SB ring on
>>>>his
>>>>finger if he didn't come back.
>>>>But we all know how quick you have been to get in Strays corner in the
>>>>past,
>>>>so no one expects it now.
>>>>I'm surprised even Hats seems in favor of it.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised you're acting like a douchebag.
>>>
>>> Try to put your agenda (picking fights with me) aside and you might see
>>> that everything I just wrote, and the possible outcome, is completely
>>> reasonable.
>>
>>Agenda? I haven't been the guy brow beating Strahan the last 8 years, you
>>have the agenda not me.
>
>Uh-huh.
>
>So, then what in the post to which you responded initially is untrue?

<crickets>

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Kevin P. McClave

"Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery
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