Any new news on an expansion of the Blazers TV deal, ie. getting themon the air in the Seattle market?

Terraholm

08-16-2008, 05:05 AM

MACK DADDY wrote:
> On Aug 15, 4:06 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> MACK DADDY wrote:
>>> I hope it can happen!
>>
>> Likely not this year. They are still not even on in most of Portland
>> most games...
>> They get quite a few national games... as for the rest...go to a
>> sports bar...
>
> I will proudly wear my Blazers hat and shirt to the local sports bar
> and cheer the Northwests best basketball team!

Nate sends an invitation

McMillan said has no intention of allowing owner Clay Bennett and his boys
to rehang his uniform in OKC.

"It's sad to see a franchise that has had so much tradition and success just
disappear as if it was some expansion team," said Nate McMillan, in the
hallway outside of the Americans' locker room after their 97-76 dismantling
of Angola.

McMillan is Team USA's assistant coach. He's also the coach of the Portland
Trail Blazers and one of the most recognizable names in Sonics history. His
retired No. 10 still hangs from the rafters at KeyArena.

"To have that happen to a team like that with the tradition that Seattle has
.. . . it's still strange to know that I won't go to Seattle to play this
season," he said. "It's not right. I think the city deserves a team."

"I never played in Oklahoma City," he said. "I spent my whole career in
Seattle, you know. I just don't see that happening. And that's fine with
me."

McMillan is inviting all Seattle fans to switch allegiances to his Blazers.
In many respects they are Seattle's team. Paul Allen, the owner, is from
Seattle. Brandon Roy and Martell Webster are both products of Seattle's hoop
system.

"I don't think we want to come in there and try to just step over the Sonics
and what they've done. But I'm saying to Seattle, 'Come on down,' " said
McMillan, who will be starting his fourth season in Portland. "The whole
plan when I went down there was to rebuild the Trail Blazers, and now we're
starting to see the future of that organization.

"I just think the style of basketball that we're going to bring to the
floor, it will grab some fans from the Northwest. We've got good guys. We've
got a good group of players, and a lot of our guys are familiar to people in
Seattle. My approach will be, as it's always been, 'Play the game the right
way and play hard.' And we'd love to share it and grab the fans of Seattle."

MACK DADDY

08-16-2008, 06:00 PM

On Aug 15, 9:05 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> MACK DADDY wrote:
> > On Aug 15, 4:06 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> MACK DADDY wrote:
> >>> I hope it can happen!
>
> >> Likely not this year. They are still not even on in most of Portland
> >> most games...
> >> They get quite a few national games... as for the rest...go to a
> >> sports bar...
>
> > I will proudly wear my Blazers hat and shirt to the local sports bar
> > and cheer the Northwests best basketball team!
>
> Nate sends an invitation
>
> McMillan said has no intention of allowing owner Clay Bennett and his boys
> to rehang his uniform in OKC.
>
> "It's sad to see a franchise that has had so much tradition and success just
> disappear as if it was some expansion team," said Nate McMillan, in the
> hallway outside of the Americans' locker room after their 97-76 dismantling
> of Angola.
>
> McMillan is Team USA's assistant coach. He's also the coach of the Portland
> Trail Blazers and one of the most recognizable names in Sonics history. His
> retired No. 10 still hangs from the rafters at KeyArena.
>
> "To have that happen to a team like that with the tradition that Seattle has
> . . . it's still strange to know that I won't go to Seattle to play this
> season," he said. "It's not right. I think the city deserves a team."
>
> "I never played in Oklahoma City," he said. "I spent my whole career in
> Seattle, you know. I just don't see that happening. And that's fine with
> me."
>
> McMillan is inviting all Seattle fans to switch allegiances to his Blazers.
> In many respects they are Seattle's team. Paul Allen, the owner, is from
> Seattle. Brandon Roy and Martell Webster are both products of Seattle's hoop
> system.
>
> "I don't think we want to come in there and try to just step over the Sonics
> and what they've done. But I'm saying to Seattle, 'Come on down,' " said
> McMillan, who will be starting his fourth season in Portland. "The whole
> plan when I went down there was to rebuild the Trail Blazers, and now we're
> starting to see the future of that organization.
>
> "I just think the style of basketball that we're going to bring to the
> floor, it will grab some fans from the Northwest. We've got good guys. We've
> got a good group of players, and a lot of our guys are familiar to peoplein
> Seattle. My approach will be, as it's always been, 'Play the game the right
> way and play hard.' And we'd love to share it and grab the fans of Seattle."

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!!!

Frank Rizzo

08-18-2008, 06:22 PM

On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> I hope it can happen!

Buy league pass from your TV provider..

Frank Rizzo

08-18-2008, 06:23 PM

On Aug 15, 8:04 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 12:02 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hope it can happen!
>
> > screw the seattle market, they should try to get them on the air in
> > the Portland market.
>
> Don't say screw the seattle market. I'm totally on the Blazer wagon
> man! I wasn't aware the Blazers weren't on TV in Portland. Shit,
> lets all band together and make this happen eh! There's power in
> numbers, and we got bigger numbers now since the Sonics died. The
> Blazers have twice the market they used to have! They can have a
> monster TV market if they play their cards right!

Start writing your papers..

Terraholm

08-18-2008, 08:56 PM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>> I hope it can happen!
>
> Buy league pass from your TV provider..

My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off more about
them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP nor nbaTV... and
Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state even if I switched to
satellite.

I go to a sports bar or find a feed.

--
Laurel T
A coach after being informed, that like
players, their drug tests would include
banned performance enhancing drugs:
"Does that include Viagra?"

Blazer Fan Dan

08-18-2008, 10:21 PM

On Aug 18, 10:22 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope it can happen!
>
> Buy league pass from your TV provider..

I thought about that, but Blazer games are blacked out in the Portland
metro.

Frank Rizzo

08-19-2008, 03:39 AM

On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> I hope it can happen!
>
> > Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off more about
> them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP nor nbaTV... and
> Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state even if I switched to
> satellite.
>
> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> A coach after being informed, that like
> players, their drug tests would include
> banned performance enhancing drugs:
> "Does that include Viagra?"

Have you ever written Paul Allen directly regarding that? I would.

Frank Rizzo

08-19-2008, 03:41 AM

On Aug 18, 2:21 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 10:22 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > I hope it can happen!
>
> > Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> I thought about that, but Blazer games are blacked out in the Portland
> metro.

It depends. In my experience down south, if the Warrior game is on
Comcast Sports Net, then it will be blacked out on League pass.
However, if it is not on the local cable network, I can pick up the
feed of the visiting team. I missed only one game last year which was
the finale because it wasn't carried at home, and Seattle didn't
broadcast it either. 81 games were available either through FSN/
Comcast, TNT, ESPN or league pass. I'm guessing we have the same
blackout rules.

Rizzo

MACK DADDY

08-20-2008, 08:06 AM

MACK DADDY

08-20-2008, 08:08 AM

On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> I hope it can happen!
>
> > Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off more about
> them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP nor nbaTV... and
> Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state even if I switched to
> satellite.
>
> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> A coach after being informed, that like
> players, their drug tests would include
> banned performance enhancing drugs:
> "Does that include Viagra?"

This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and we
have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?

Frank Rizzo

08-20-2008, 05:25 PM

On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > >> I hope it can happen!
>
> > > Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> > My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off more about
> > them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP nor nbaTV... and
> > Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state even if I switched to
> > satellite.
>
> > I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> > --
> > Laurel T
> > A coach after being informed, that like
> > players, their drug tests would include
> > banned performance enhancing drugs:
> > "Does that include Viagra?"
>
> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and we
> have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?

That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
his office? You should be.

Terraholm

08-20-2008, 08:20 PM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> I hope it can happen!
>>
>>>> Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>>
>>> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off
>>> more about them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP
>>> nor nbaTV... and Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state
>>> even if I switched to satellite.
>>
>>> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>>
>>
>> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and
>> we have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?
>
> That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
> his office? You should be.

He knows... and likely he does not care... more RG sell outs...
Just about all the full season tickets are gone (last I heard there were
less than 100 left) so maybe they will get a deal done but I doubt it is
high priority after a year...they are waiting for comcast to come down.
Besides Charter is still losing tons of money and the ones actually running
it do not have paying comcast's price high on their list. The internet
streaming allowed by the league might help get them on common ground if it
happens...

--
Laurel T
"Maybe he's just trying to put some English on it."
Jim Durham on Malone talking to the ball
before a free throw.

Frank Rizzo

08-21-2008, 03:21 AM

On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I hope it can happen!
>
> >>>> Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> >>> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off
> >>> more about them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP
> >>> nor nbaTV... and Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state
> >>> even if I switched to satellite.
>
> >>> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> >> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and
> >> we have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?
>
> > That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
> > his office? You should be.
>
> He knows... and likely he does not care... more RG sell outs...
> Just about all the full season tickets are gone (last I heard there were
> less than 100 left) so maybe they will get a deal done but I doubt it is
> high priority after a year...they are waiting for comcast to come down.
> Besides Charter is still losing tons of money and the ones actually running
> it do not have paying comcast's price high on their list. The internet
> streaming allowed by the league might help get them on common ground if it
> happens...
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "Maybe he's just trying to put some English on it."
> Jim Durham on Malone talking to the ball
> before a free throw.

He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
masse. Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system. They
need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
market, just the way Microsoft did. Also, more games, more
advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
of the pie, not the whole pie. Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?

Rizzo

Terraholm

08-21-2008, 04:46 PM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> masse.

Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are unlikely to
unite in some letter writing campaign that will be ignored, when it means
another loss for charter.

While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into it. Money.
Charter will lose money on it and they are already in debt (20 billion in
2006) and a public company with shareholders and finally a CEO put in that
likely has instructions to not listen to Allen... if Allen was not proping
it up it would have died years ago...

> Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
> to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system.

Comcast wants a bigger than usual price and the fee to be for all
subscribers not just sports level subscribers. This is outside of portland
and the blazers games will not pay for themselves. They would lose a
handful to dish if comcast ever gets on there, but not a drop in the bucket
compared to the money to carry the comcast channel.

> They
> need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
> market, just the way Microsoft did.

This is about comcast and charter not the blazers.
The team have already sold the broadcast rights. Comcast has the contract.
The blazers can not now give away a product they do not own until the
contract is up. Nor can they force Comcast to lower the asking price to
other cable providers and dish. Having a monoply in portland gets people
with a choice switching to comcast, they have no desire to give the
broadcast right to the competitors, they plan to sell that and apparently
only after they have milked the monopoly to death.

Hopefully the next contract will go back to FoxNW, who likely are the ones
that will offer more if they can now have 4 times the market homes if they
do not have to black out Seattle. They are already on all the cable systems
in both states and dish. Comcast was a start up last year as a new sports
channel more Oregon based sports than the seattle based FNW.
Allen tried that himself a few years back and it failed to sell it to the
other cable systems and it died. Perhaps part of the reason he took
Comcasts offer was in support of getting local sports coverage.

> Also, more games, more
> advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
> endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
> of the pie, not the whole pie.

He sells the rights, comcast sells the advertizing and farther broadcast
rights. The 2nd one is the real revenue maker.
And they are not just selling blazers games, that is just the big lure, they
are selling a 24/7 hour sports channel to other providers.

> Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
> letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?

The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make the deal
with the other cable companies.
The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year publically.
Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over on getting a deal
done on his radio show.

--
Laurel T

In the eyes of the political elite,
dissent is acceptable... until it becomes effective.

Frank Rizzo

08-21-2008, 05:31 PM

On Aug 21, 8:46 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> > masse.
>
> Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are unlikely to
> unite in some letter writing campaign that will be ignored, when it means
> another loss for charter.

Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.

>
> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into it. Money.
> Charter will lose money on it and they are already in debt (20 billion in
> 2006) and a public company with shareholders and finally a CEO put in that
> likely has instructions to not listen to Allen... if Allen was not proping
> it up it would have died years ago...

Then he needs a new partner. It is also not unusual for a cable or
satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.

>
> > Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
> > to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system.
>
> Comcast wants a bigger than usual price and the fee to be for all
> subscribers not just sports level subscribers. This is outside of portland
> and the blazers games will not pay for themselves. They would lose a
> handful to dish if comcast ever gets on there, but not a drop in the bucket
> compared to the money to carry the comcast channel.
>
> > They
> > need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
> > market, just the way Microsoft did.
>
> This is about comcast and charter not the blazers.
> The team have already sold the broadcast rights. Comcast has the contract.
> The blazers can not now give away a product they do not own until the
> contract is up. Nor can they force Comcast to lower the asking price to
> other cable providers and dish. Having a monoply in portland gets people
> with a choice switching to comcast, they have no desire to give the
> broadcast right to the competitors, they plan to sell that and apparently
> only after they have milked the monopoly to death.

So you're saying they cannot renegotiate the terms of a contract?
That is naive.

>
> Hopefully the next contract will go back to FoxNW, who likely are the ones
> that will offer more if they can now have 4 times the market homes if they
> do not have to black out Seattle. They are already on all the cable systems
> in both states and dish. Comcast was a start up last year as a new sports
> channel more Oregon based sports than the seattle based FNW.
> Allen tried that himself a few years back and it failed to sell it to the
> other cable systems and it died. Perhaps part of the reason he took
> Comcasts offer was in support of getting local sports coverage.
>
> > Also, more games, more
> > advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
> > endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
> > of the pie, not the whole pie.
>
> He sells the rights, comcast sells the advertizing and farther broadcast
> rights. The 2nd one is the real revenue maker.
> And they are not just selling blazers games, that is just the big lure, they
> are selling a 24/7 hour sports channel to other providers.
>
> > Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
> > letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?
>
> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make the deal
> with the other cable companies.
> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year publically.
> Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over on getting a deal
> done on his radio show.

This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull (as
does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not up to
us, they are lying.

>
> --
> Laurel T
>
> In the eyes of the political elite,
> dissent is acceptable... until it becomes effective.

Terraholm

08-21-2008, 09:36 PM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 21, 8:46 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
>>> masse.
>>
>> Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are
>> unlikely to unite in some letter writing campaign that will be
>> ignored, when it means another loss for charter.
>
> Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.

It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports channel that
depends on if I get the games.
Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either. Neither side
has blinked.
Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well publicized.

>
>>
>> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
>> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
>> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders and
>> finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not listen to
>> Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have died years
>> ago...
>
> Then he needs a new partner.

lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally got
Charter into the mess.
I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.

> It is also not unusual for a cable or
> satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
> profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.

Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter last I
saw.
You know what the interst is on 20 billion?

>>
>> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
>> the deal with the other cable companies.
>> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
>> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
>> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>
> This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull (as
> does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not up to
> us, they are lying.

That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast before
it was established but they are stuck with it.
They have no control of comcast deals with other providers. Nor can they
undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is providing
coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to say the contract
is null because comcast is trying to sell it's product for more than the
demand.
The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so they
sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?

--
Laurel T
If stupidity got us into this mess,
then why can't it get us out."
- Will Rogers

Blazer Fan Dan

08-21-2008, 11:52 PM

On Aug 21, 1:36 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 8:46 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> >>> masse.
>
> >> Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are
> >> unlikely to unite in some letter writing campaign that will be
> >> ignored, when it means another loss for charter.
>
> > Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.
>
> It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports channel that
> depends on if I get the games.
> Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either. Neither side
> has blinked.
> Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well publicized.
>
>
>
> >> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
> >> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
> >> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders and
> >> finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not listen to
> >> Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have died years
> >> ago...
>
> > Then he needs a new partner.
>
> lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally got
> Charter into the mess.
> I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.
>
> > It is also not unusual for a cable or
> > satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
> > profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter last I
> saw.
> You know what the interst is on 20 billion?
>
>
>
> >> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
> >> the deal with the other cable companies.
> >> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
> >> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
> >> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>
> > This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull (as
> > does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not up to
> > us, they are lying.
>
> That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast before
> it was established but they are stuck with it.
> They have no control of comcast deals with other providers. Nor can they
> undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is providing
> coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to say the contract
> is null because comcast is trying to sell it's product for more than the
> demand.
> The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so they
> sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?
>
> --
> Laurel T
> If stupidity got us into this mess,
> then why can't it get us out."
> - Will Rogers

actually they do have grounds to sue comcast, as they're not providing
the service at a reasonable and fair cost, as the FCC mandates. It's
just that no one seems to care enough to make an effort to point that
out.

Terraholm

08-22-2008, 12:57 AM

Blazer Fan Dan wrote:

>>

>
>
> actually they do have grounds to sue comcast, as they're not providing
> the service at a reasonable and fair cost, as the FCC mandates.

This may be why suddenly the NBA is saying the local games can be streamed.:

FCC rules Comcast violated Internet access policy
By JOHN DUNBAR - Aug 1, 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) - A divided Federal Communications Commission has ruled that
Comcast Corp. violated federal policy when it blocked Internet traffic for
some subscribers and has ordered the cable giant to change the way it
manages its network.

In a precedent-setting move, the FCC by a 3-2 vote on Friday enforced a
policy that guarantees customers open access to the Internet.

The commission did not assess a fine, but ordered the company to stop
cutting off transfers of large data files among customers who use a special
type of "file-sharing" software. Associated Press reports on Comcast's
activities led to the complaints filed with the FCC.

Comcast says its practices are reasonable - that it has delayed traffic, not
blocked it - and that the FCC's so-called network-neutrality "principles"
are part of a policy statement and are not enforceable rules.

Republican FCC Chairman Kevin Martin proposed the enforcement action and was
joined by Democratic commissioners Jonathan Adelstein and Michael Copps in
voting for approval. He was opposed by members of his own party,
commissioners Robert McDowell and Deborah Taylor Tate, who both issued
lengthy dissents.

The commission's authority to act stems from a policy statement adopted in
September 2005 that outlined a set of principles meant to ensure that
broadband networks are "widely deployed, open, affordable and accessible to
all consumers."

The principles are "subject to reasonable network management," a concept the
agency has not explicitly defined.

Frank Rizzo

08-22-2008, 01:37 AM

On Aug 21, 1:36 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 8:46 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> >>> masse.
>
> >> Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are
> >> unlikely to unite in some letter writing campaign that will be
> >> ignored, when it means another loss for charter.
>
> > Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.
>
> It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports channel that
> depends on if I get the games.
> Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either. Neither side
> has blinked.
> Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well publicized.

That's another issue entirely. I don't know what the cable wars are
like in Oregon. But to not carry the flagship station of the local
NBA team is sacrelige. Sounds like Charter needs to go under like TCI
did.

>
>
>
> >> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
> >> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
> >> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders and
> >> finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not listen to
> >> Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have died years
> >> ago...
>
> > Then he needs a new partner.
>
> lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally got
> Charter into the mess.
> I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.
>

He also should have made sure that his broadcasts were available in
his market area. He would be wise to do so in the future. It's
really his marketing person's call.

> > It is also not unusual for a cable or
> > satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
> > profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter last I
> saw.
> You know what the interst is on 20 billion?

Ask our federal government. They spend that in debt every week.

>
>
>
> >> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
> >> the deal with the other cable companies.
> >> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
> >> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
> >> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>
> > This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull (as
> > does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not up to
> > us, they are lying.
>
> That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast before
> it was established but they are stuck with it.
> They have no control of comcast deals with other providers.

Sure they do. " Dear Comcast, If you want to be allowed to bid on our
services in the future, you'll carry insure our games are available
throughout Oregon". We really don't want to go into the cable
business, but have the resources like MSG, to launch our own
broadcasting system, like the Knicks have. We expect our broadcasts
to be available throughout Oregon in 2009. Interestingly enough, my
friend Bill has a lot of money and time on his hands since he left
microsoft and here is a letter of intent to apply to the FCC for a
license for MS-Sports Network" Signed Paul....

Nor can they
> undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is providing
> coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to say the contract
> is null because comcast is trying to sell it's product for more than the
> demand.
> The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so they
> sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?

This has nothing to do with lawsuits or blackouts. It has to do with
availability of games. I received blacked out games on league pass
through the other team's network. Read the above. No lawsuit
necessary. Of course this only works when you have $50 Billion like
Paul and Bill.

>
> --
> Laurel T
> If stupidity got us into this mess,
> then why can't it get us out."
> - Will Rogers

Frank Rizzo

08-22-2008, 01:39 AM

On Aug 21, 4:57 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
>
> > actually they do have grounds to sue comcast, as they're not providing
> > the service at a reasonable and fair cost, as the FCC mandates.
>
> This may be why suddenly the NBA is saying the local games can be streamed.:
>
> FCC rules Comcast violated Internet access policy
> By JOHN DUNBAR - Aug 1, 2008
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) - A divided Federal Communications Commission has ruled that
> Comcast Corp. violated federal policy when it blocked Internet traffic for
> some subscribers and has ordered the cable giant to change the way it
> manages its network.
>
> In a precedent-setting move, the FCC by a 3-2 vote on Friday enforced a
> policy that guarantees customers open access to the Internet.
>
> The commission did not assess a fine, but ordered the company to stop
> cutting off transfers of large data files among customers who use a special
> type of "file-sharing" software. Associated Press reports on Comcast's
> activities led to the complaints filed with the FCC.
>
> Comcast says its practices are reasonable - that it has delayed traffic, not
> blocked it - and that the FCC's so-called network-neutrality "principles"
> are part of a policy statement and are not enforceable rules.
>
> Republican FCC Chairman Kevin Martin proposed the enforcement action and was
> joined by Democratic commissioners Jonathan Adelstein and Michael Copps in
> voting for approval. He was opposed by members of his own party,
> commissioners Robert McDowell and Deborah Taylor Tate, who both issued
> lengthy dissents.
>
> The commission's authority to act stems from a policy statement adopted in
> September 2005 that outlined a set of principles meant to ensure that
> broadband networks are "widely deployed, open, affordable and accessible to
> all consumers."
>
> The principles are "subject to reasonable network management," a concept the
> agency has not explicitly defined.

I'd try to keep it out of the courts, but it would be easy to offer it
to another channel when the games aren't carried on Comcast. If they
aren't broadcasting to an area, or a particular game, put it on
channel 5 or 7 or 2 or something at no cost to the station. The fan
base increases. The TV station wins.

Rizzo

Terraholm

08-22-2008, 03:14 AM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 21, 4:57 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'd try to keep it out of the courts, but it would be easy to offer it
> to another channel when the games aren't carried on Comcast.

Comcast does carry it, it just does not cover most of Portland. They have
got an agreement with Verizon FIOS that covers part of Portland and Vanc..
So hard to prove they overcharging if some companies will pay the price. It
is Dish and other systems that are not paying the price.
And they have a contract, it would have to go to court to get out of the
agreement..
The rest of the games not on national TV, about 25, are carried on a
broadcast channel.

December 12, 2007
P&P Blog wants to re-emphasize one point in today's story explaining some of
the forces going on behind the lack of availability of Comcast SportsNet
Northwest and its live Trail Blazers broadcasts.

That point: There's a solution to the problem. It's called arbitration.

Last year, in an effort to settle a similar stalemate in Washington, D.C.,
federal regulators imposed a "baseball-style" arbitration process on Comcast
and its regional sports networks. Under that order, if other cable or
satellite providers feel Comcast's demands for its sports networks are
unfair, they can seek arbitration. In such an instance, a trained commercial
arbitrator would receive final offers from each party and choose one.

That option exists in this situation, industry experts say. The question is:
Why hasn't DirecTV Inc., Dish Network or Paul Allen's own Charter
Communications Inc. pursued it?

A Charter spokesman said the company was considering the option but declined
to discuss it further. A DirecTV spokesman declined comment. Efforts to
reach officials with EchoStar Satellite's Dish Network were unsuccessful.

Already, cable and satellite providers elsewhere -- including New
Jersey-based RCN Corp. -- say they've found the threat of arbitration
helpful in negotiating with Comcast on sports network contracts that were up
for renewal in other parts ot the country.

Still, consumers have little say here. Yes, you could join one fan's boycott
of the team, featured in John Canzano's his column today. You could call
Charter, Dish or DirecTV or your local cable provider and urge them to seek
arbitration. You could also complain to the Federal Communications
Commission. But experts say regulators will be reluctant to get involved,
particularly with the arbitration option now in place.

And Allen is in a precarious position, given that his team now gets,
reportedly, up to $13 million a year from Comcast to broadcast the games.
Would he really want his cable company forcing Comcast into arbitration?

Terraholm

08-22-2008, 03:39 AM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 21, 1:36 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.
>>
>> It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports
>> channel that depends on if I get the games.
>> Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either.
>> Neither side has blinked.
>> Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well
>> publicized.
>
> That's another issue entirely. I don't know what the cable wars are
> like in Oregon. But to not carry the flagship station of the local
> NBA team is sacrelige. Sounds like Charter needs to go under like TCI
> did.

Charter hardly has a presence in Portland if at all. I live 200 miles
away...
Charter does carry the blazers flagship station or at least stations that
have the broadcast blazer games. That would be KGW and I get a channel on
charter out of Eugene that carries those.
That covers about 25 games and another 10 or so are on national TV. Some of
those I do not get because they are on NBATV.

It is the new sports cable channel Charter does not carry with the balance
of the games.
They can not afford to lose more money and it is still a business Allen
owned or not.
And Allen would have a huge conflict of interest taking Comcast to court or
arbritration when Comcast is paying him about 15 million for the rights to
hog them.

>>
>>>> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
>>>> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
>>>> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders
>>>> and finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not
>>>> listen to Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have
>>>> died years ago...
>>
>>> Then he needs a new partner.
>>
>> lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally
>> got Charter into the mess.
>> I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.
>>
>
> He also should have made sure that his broadcasts were available in
> his market area. He would be wise to do so in the future. It's
> really his marketing person's call.

It was a start-up channel. I do not think they anticipated the mess Comcast
would create.

>
>>> It is also not unusual for a cable or
>>> satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
>>> profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.
>>
>> Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter
>> last I saw.
>> You know what the interest is on 20 billion?
>
> Ask our federal government. They spend that in debt every week.
>

And every 2 months in Iraq...

>>
>>
>>
>>>> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
>>>> the deal with the other cable companies.
>>>> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
>>>> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
>>>> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>>
>>> This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull
>>> (as does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not
>>> up to us, they are lying.
>>
>> That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast
>> before it was established but they are stuck with it.
>> They have no control of comcast deals with other providers.
>
> Sure they do. " Dear Comcast, If you want to be allowed to bid on our
> services in the future, you'll carry insure our games are available
> throughout Oregon".

Comcast know 3 or 4 years down the road the deals will be in place and the
Blazers games will still go to the highest bidder. Besides again...it helps
the team's ticket sales....

>We really don't want to go into the cable
> business, but have the resources like MSG, to launch our own
> broadcasting system, like the Knicks have.

Allen did that, he could not give away the channel to the portland cable
systems for the first year and then at a very reasonable rate... they only
wanted it if they put it in a PPV package.
Those two years Portland did not get the games but I did. The channel
failed. Blazers went to FNW which was fine.

> Nor can they
>> undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is
>> providing coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to
>> say the contract is null because comcast is trying to sell it's
>> product for more than the demand.
>> The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so
>> they sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?
>
> This has nothing to do with lawsuits or blackouts. It has to do with
> availability of games. I received blacked out games on league pass
> through the other team's network.

Well that is nice but not typical...and not portland's problem.

> Read the above. No lawsuit
> necessary. Of course this only works when you have $50 Billion like
> Paul and Bill.

Because of Charter Allen has lost some 15 billion...
He is not fighting the company that pays him 13 million a year.

--
Laurel T
"When asked if he was a basketball player:
"No I clean giraffe ears."
Elvin Hayes

Frank Rizzo

08-22-2008, 05:08 AM

On Aug 21, 7:39 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 1:36 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.
>
> >> It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports
> >> channel that depends on if I get the games.
> >> Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either.
> >> Neither side has blinked.
> >> Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well
> >> publicized.
>
> > That's another issue entirely. I don't know what the cable wars are
> > like in Oregon. But to not carry the flagship station of the local
> > NBA team is sacrelige. Sounds like Charter needs to go under like TCI
> > did.
>
> Charter hardly has a presence in Portland if at all. I live 200 miles
> away...
> Charter does carry the blazers flagship station or at least stations that
> have the broadcast blazer games. That would be KGW and I get a channel on
> charter out of Eugene that carries those.
> That covers about 25 games and another 10 or so are on national TV. Some of
> those I do not get because they are on NBATV.
>
> It is the new sports cable channel Charter does not carry with the balance
> of the games.
> They can not afford to lose more money and it is still a business Allen
> owned or not.
> And Allen would have a huge conflict of interest taking Comcast to court or
> arbritration when Comcast is paying him about 15 million for the rights to
> hog them.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
> >>>> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
> >>>> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders
> >>>> and finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not
> >>>> listen to Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have
> >>>> died years ago...
>
> >>> Then he needs a new partner.
>
> >> lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally
> >> got Charter into the mess.
> >> I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.
>
> > He also should have made sure that his broadcasts were available in
> > his market area. He would be wise to do so in the future. It's
> > really his marketing person's call.
>
> It was a start-up channel. I do not think they anticipated the mess Comcast
> would create.
>
>
>
> >>> It is also not unusual for a cable or
> >>> satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
> >>> profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.
>
> >> Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter
> >> last I saw.
> >> You know what the interest is on 20 billion?
>
> > Ask our federal government. They spend that in debt every week.
>
> And every 2 months in Iraq...
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
> >>>> the deal with the other cable companies.
> >>>> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
> >>>> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
> >>>> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>
> >>> This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull
> >>> (as does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not
> >>> up to us, they are lying.
>
> >> That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast
> >> before it was established but they are stuck with it.
> >> They have no control of comcast deals with other providers.
>
> > Sure they do. " Dear Comcast, If you want to be allowed to bid on our
> > services in the future, you'll carry insure our games are available
> > throughout Oregon".
>
> Comcast know 3 or 4 years down the road the deals will be in place and the
> Blazers games will still go to the highest bidder. Besides again...it helps
> the team's ticket sales....
>
> >We really don't want to go into the cable
> > business, but have the resources like MSG, to launch our own
> > broadcasting system, like the Knicks have.
>
> Allen did that, he could not give away the channel to the portland cable
> systems for the first year and then at a very reasonable rate... they only
> wanted it if they put it in a PPV package.
> Those two years Portland did not get the games but I did. The channel
> failed. Blazers went to FNW which was fine.
>
> > Nor can they
>
> >> undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is
> >> providing coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to
> >> say the contract is null because comcast is trying to sell it's
> >> product for more than the demand.
> >> The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so
> >> they sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?
>
> > This has nothing to do with lawsuits or blackouts. It has to do with
> > availability of games. I received blacked out games on league pass
> > through the other team's network.
>
> Well that is nice but not typical...and not portland's problem.
>
> > Read the above. No lawsuit
> > necessary. Of course this only works when you have $50 Billion like
> > Paul and Bill.
>
> Because of Charter Allen has lost some 15 billion...
> He is not fighting the company that pays him 13 million a year.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "When asked if he was a basketball player:
> "No I clean giraffe ears."
> Elvin Hayes

I have DISH and I get comcast sports net.....Weird..I'm guessing the
endeavor with Allen's TV network did not have a lineup featuring
Brandon Roy, Oden, LMA, and Rudy Fernandez, but rather the jail
blazers, which is in a whole different marketing plateau. The whole
country is gonna want this team.

Rizzo

Terraholm

08-23-2008, 01:55 AM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 21, 7:39 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have DISH and I get comcast sports net.....Weird..

Not the Portland based one, it is not on either satellite company.

>I'm guessing the
> endeavor with Allen's TV network did not have a lineup featuring
> Brandon Roy, Oden, LMA, and Rudy Fernandez, but rather the jail
> blazers, which is in a whole different marketing plateau.

No, The 2 seasons prior they sold out every game.
Whitistt was getting hated on for trading Jermaine, but hating the blazers
had not yet become a fad when PA was starting it.. They were still winning
and it was between rounds of "major stuff". Most of what had been given the
name jail in the 90s, Rider, Trent, et all were long gone.
It was not tell half way though the next season that they imploded

Rasta Grant, Smitty, Sabas, Pippen, Greg Anthony all fan favorites were
there...
Bonzi was coming off his rookie year and not in that much trouble as yet...
Damon had not got caught with pot yet and the biggest rip on him was he was
still too short and overdribbled and he was well liked as a person and
homegrown product. He was still loved by many when he left despite his pot
problem. For things like saving a previously tax based portland school
sports program that was being cut by dropping about a million on it and
getting others to help. 'Sheed had his record 38 Ts but half of us loved
him anyway...

Just after the 2000 WCF is when it was announced that PA was putting it
together and went on the air about a year later.

The god awful taking in of cokehead Kemp had not happened yet when the
channel was launched and everyone thought the extremely popular Grant would
be given a big contract and stay that summer it was launched.
After the cable channel waw going they blew up. Added to paying Detlef not
to play and bringing in Strickland mid season they went from leading the
west until march to losing something like 18 of the last 25 games.

And the idea was popular enough if they could have done it... Portland until
the mid 90s got about 18 games per year on broadcast channels and a pay
package or PPV of maybe another 25 available if people had cable in the
1980s and 90s.
And it was right as HD was coming in and even the local high school games
were HD.

What happened to the channel was the same battle as comcast is having now
but with a more reasonable fee rate. Allen's company insisted it be in the
base package (ie the cable company pays a fee for every subscriber) and the
cable companies would only consider it in an additional pay level and pay
for those much fewer subscribers. That was not going to be enough to stay
afloat and the outlying sales not making up for the portland area.

Remember Portland is a very small market. Seattle where a sports channel
suceeded had 3 major league teams and 2.5 times the population and almost 2
times the TV homes market.
The smallest market teams include Portland , Indiana, Charlotte, SA, Utah,
Memphis, Milwaukee, New Orleans and now OKC.
Of those only Utah and SA has recently been making extra from winning deep
in the playoffs.

2007 National RANK Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Homes

1 New York 7,366,950
2 Los Angeles 5,611,110
3 Chicago 3,455,020
4 Philadelphia 2,941,450
5 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,383,570
6 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,378,660
7 Boston (Manchester) 2,372,030
8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,272,120
9 Atlanta 2,205,510
10 Houston 1,982,120
11 Detroit 1,938,320
13 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,725,000
(14 Seattle-Tacoma 1,724,450)
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,678,430
16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,538,620
17 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,537,500
18 Denver 1,431,910
19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,395,830
20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,368,680
23 Portland, OR 1,117,990
25 Indianapolis 1,060,550
26 Charlotte 1,045,240
33 Cincinnati 886,910
34 Milwaukee 882,990
35 Salt Lake City 839,170
37 San Antonio 774,470
44 Memphis 664,290
45 Oklahoma City 662,380
54 New Orleans 566,960

Large market teams get around $30-40 million dollars in corporate sponsors
and advertisers. Medium markets average around $25 million, and the smaller
markets $10-12 million. That depends on the TV market. The Average local
TV deal for an NBA team is around 12 million dollars.
The corporate sponsors' income for the larger markets keep going up, but
most most of the smaller markets are actually losing sponsor income.
Comcast paid the Blazers 13 million and that is in addition to the KGW
contract for 25 games, it was a huge small market deal. And why they will
not fight with them...

> The whole
> country is gonna want this team.

They are rather hard to hate (although there are left over rivalries whose
fans hate them no problem) and fun to watch...I am just worried they are
being way over-hyped for this season.

--
Laurel T
A coach after being informed, that like
players, their drug tests would include
banned performance enhancing drugs:
"Does that include Viagra?"

Frank Rizzo

08-23-2008, 06:30 AM

MACK DADDY

08-23-2008, 05:55 PM

On Aug 20, 7:21 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > >> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > >>>> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> I hope it can happen!
>
> > >>>> Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> > >>> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off
> > >>> more about them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP
> > >>> nor nbaTV... and Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state
> > >>> even if I switched to satellite.
>
> > >>> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> > >> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and
> > >> we have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?
>
> > > That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
> > > his office? You should be.
>
> > He knows... and likely he does not care... more RG sell outs...
> > Just about all the full season tickets are gone (last I heard there were
> > less than 100 left) so maybe they will get a deal done but I doubt it is
> > high priority after a year...they are waiting for comcast to come down.
> > Besides Charter is still losing tons of money and the ones actually running
> > it do not have paying comcast's price high on their list. The internet
> > streaming allowed by the league might help get them on common ground ifit
> > happens...
>
> > --
> > Laurel T
> > "Maybe he's just trying to put some English on it."
> > Jim Durham on Malone talking to the ball
> > before a free throw.
>
> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> masse. Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
> to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system. They
> need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
> market, just the way Microsoft did. Also, more games, more
> advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
> endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
> of the pie, not the whole pie. Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
> letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?
>
> Rizzo- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I didn't know who to write to. I've been spreading my opinion around
different places hoping it would be noticed. I've been trying to get
the Tacoma News Tribune to eliminate their Sonics blog, since they are
not Seattle and Not Sonics anymore. Trying to get them to start up a
Blazers blog.

MACK DADDY

08-23-2008, 06:00 PM

On Aug 21, 3:52 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 1:36 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > On Aug 21, 8:46 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > >>> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> > >>> masse.
>
> > >> Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are
> > >> unlikely to unite in some letter writing campaign that will be
> > >> ignored, when it means another loss for charter.
>
> > > Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.
>
> > It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports channel that
> > depends on if I get the games.
> > Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either. Neither side
> > has blinked.
> > Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well publicized.
>
> > >> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
> > >> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
> > >> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders and
> > >> finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not listen to
> > >> Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have died years
> > >> ago...
>
> > > Then he needs a new partner.
>
> > lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally got
> > Charter into the mess.
> > I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.
>
> > > It is also not unusual for a cable or
> > > satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
> > > profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.
>
> > Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter last I
> > saw.
> > You know what the interst is on 20 billion?
>
> > >> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
> > >> the deal with the other cable companies.
> > >> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
> > >> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
> > >> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>
> > > This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull (as
> > > does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not up to
> > > us, they are lying.
>
> > That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast before
> > it was established but they are stuck with it.
> > They have no control of comcast deals with other providers. Nor can they
> > undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is providing
> > coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to say the contract
> > is null because comcast is trying to sell it's product for more than the
> > demand.
> > The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so they
> > sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?
>
> > --
> > Laurel T
> > If stupidity got us into this mess,
> > then why can't it get us out."
> > - Will Rogers
>
> actually they do have grounds to sue comcast, as they're not providing
> the service at a reasonable and fair cost, as the FCC mandates. It's
> just that no one seems to care enough to make an effort to point that
> out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, I think they just need to say "FUCK COMCAST" and put the
games on regular television stations in Oregon and Washington.
Sonics games used to be on KONG tv and it worked great that way.
FUCK COMCAST!

Frank Rizzo

08-24-2008, 12:04 AM

On Aug 23, 9:55 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 7:21 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > > On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > >>>> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> I hope it can happen!
>
> > > >>>> Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> > > >>> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off
> > > >>> more about them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP
> > > >>> nor nbaTV... and Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state
> > > >>> even if I switched to satellite.
>
> > > >>> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> > > >> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and
> > > >> we have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?
>
> > > > That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
> > > > his office? You should be.
>
> > > He knows... and likely he does not care... more RG sell outs...
> > > Just about all the full season tickets are gone (last I heard there were
> > > less than 100 left) so maybe they will get a deal done but I doubt it is
> > > high priority after a year...they are waiting for comcast to come down.
> > > Besides Charter is still losing tons of money and the ones actually running
> > > it do not have paying comcast's price high on their list. The internet
> > > streaming allowed by the league might help get them on common ground if it
> > > happens...
>
> > > --
> > > Laurel T
> > > "Maybe he's just trying to put some English on it."
> > > Jim Durham on Malone talking to the ball
> > > before a free throw.
>
> > He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> > masse. Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
> > to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system. They
> > need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
> > market, just the way Microsoft did. Also, more games, more
> > advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
> > endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
> > of the pie, not the whole pie. Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
> > letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?
>
> > Rizzo- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I didn't know who to write to. I've been spreading my opinion around
> different places hoping it would be noticed. I've been trying to get
> the Tacoma News Tribune to eliminate their Sonics blog, since they are
> not Seattle and Not Sonics anymore. Trying to get them to start up a
> Blazers blog.

Keep doing it. Keep trying different sources including the NBA in
NY. Try the Seattle PI and the Oregonian. Ridicule them in front of
their peers by saying the Tacoma tribuine is so stupid that they post
Sonics Blog etc. Keep trying different things with the same ultimate
message of getting blazers games. Use different names.

Rizzo

Terraholm

08-24-2008, 02:42 AM

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Aug 22, 5:55 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> It was not tell half way though the next season that they imploded
>>
>> Rasta Grant, Smitty, Sabas
>
>
> AHHH, what COULD have been. Stop right there and pay homage to what
> could have been the best all around player ever but for the bad knees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBdxARINWok

Frank Rizzo

08-24-2008, 05:58 AM

On Aug 23, 6:42 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 22, 5:55 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> It was not tell half way though the next season that they imploded
>
> >> Rasta Grant, Smitty, Sabas
>
> > AHHH, what COULD have been. Stop right there and pay homage to what
> > could have been the best all around player ever but for the bad knees.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBdxARINWok

Great player. Clearly the best passing big man ever, probably the
best shooting big man as well......Great all around player. I feel
cheated.

Rizzo

MACK DADDY

09-11-2008, 05:01 AM

On Aug 23, 4:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 9:55 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 7:21 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > > > On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>> I hope it can happen!
>
> > > > >>>> Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> > > > >>> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off
> > > > >>> more about them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP
> > > > >>> nor nbaTV... and Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state
> > > > >>> even if I switched to satellite.
>
> > > > >>> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> > > > >> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and
> > > > >> we have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?
>
> > > > > That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
> > > > > his office? You should be.
>
> > > > He knows... and likely he does not care... more RG sell outs...
> > > > Just about all the full season tickets are gone (last I heard therewere
> > > > less than 100 left) so maybe they will get a deal done but I doubt it is
> > > > high priority after a year...they are waiting for comcast to come down.
> > > > Besides Charter is still losing tons of money and the ones actuallyrunning
> > > > it do not have paying comcast's price high on their list. The internet
> > > > streaming allowed by the league might help get them on common ground if it
> > > > happens...
>
> > > > --
> > > > Laurel T
> > > > "Maybe he's just trying to put some English on it."
> > > > Jim Durham on Malone talking to the ball
> > > > before a free throw.
>
> > > He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> > > masse. Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
> > > to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system. They
> > > need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
> > > market, just the way Microsoft did. Also, more games, more
> > > advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
> > > endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
> > > of the pie, not the whole pie. Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
> > > letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?
>
> > > Rizzo- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I didn't know who to write to. I've been spreading my opinion around
> > different places hoping it would be noticed. I've been trying to get
> > the Tacoma News Tribune to eliminate their Sonics blog, since they are
> > not Seattle and Not Sonics anymore. Trying to get them to start up a
> > Blazers blog.
>
> Keep doing it. Keep trying different sources including the NBA in
> NY. Try the Seattle PI and the Oregonian. Ridicule them in front of
> their peers by saying the Tacoma tribuine is so stupid that they post
> Sonics Blog etc. Keep trying different things with the same ultimate
> message of getting blazers games. Use different names.
>
> Rizzo- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's a great Idea! I will stop at nothing to show the media against
themselves how ignorant they are!

Terraholm

10-03-2008, 05:21 AM

MACK DADDY wrote:
> I hope it can happen!
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/comcast-sportsnet-northwest-launches-seattle/story.aspx?guid={1CCBBDBC-2DA3-4045-A2B4-03BCE1CA571D}&dist=hppr

Comcast SportsNet Northwest Launches in Seattle Area
Network Brings Trail Blazers, NHL Coverage

Last update: 1:53 p.m. EDT Oct. 2, 2008
SEATTLE, Oct 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Comcast Cable and
Comcast SportsNet Northwest, home of the most comprehensive local sports
content, today announces the network is launching to sports fans in the
Seattle region with coverage including 55 Portland Trail Blazers NBA
games and 60 NHL games featuring the Vancouver Canucks or the San Jose
Sharks.
The network is carried on Comcast digital preferred channel 179, and is
available on other local providers. Viewers with other providers can
check http://www.csnnw.com or call 877-8-CSNNW-9 (877-827-6699) for
information on Comcast SportsNet's local availability.
"Now that we don't have a Seattle-area NBA team, we are excited to bring
the Trail Blazers to our Washington customers," said Tom Pierce, vice
president of sales and marketing for Comcast. "If you want local sports,
we've got more than any other provider. In addition to Comcast SportsNet
Northwest, we also offer hundreds of hours of local On Demand sports
programming which includes dozens of high school sports games; boxing;
semi-pro beach volleyball; UW volleyball; Everett Silvertips; Seattle
Sounders soccer; Seahawks All-Access show; Holmgren Q&A and the Husky
Honks show."
Comcast SportsNet is the 24/7 home of Northwest sports featuring live
game coverage of 55 exclusive Trail Blazers games, including 33 in HDTV;

Blazer Fan Dan

10-03-2008, 03:50 PM

On Oct 2, 9:21 pm, Terraholm <terraholmSPAM...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MACK DADDY wrote:
> > I hope it can happen!
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/comcast-sportsnet-northwest-lau...{1CCBBDBC-2DA3-4045-A2B4-03BCE1CA571D}&dist=hppr
>
> Comcast SportsNet Northwest Launches in Seattle Area
> Network Brings Trail Blazers, NHL Coverage
>
> Last update: 1:53 p.m. EDT Oct. 2, 2008
> SEATTLE, Oct 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Comcast Cable and
> Comcast SportsNet Northwest, home of the most comprehensive local sports
> content, today announces the network is launching to sports fans in the
> Seattle region with coverage including 55 Portland Trail Blazers NBA
> games and 60 NHL games featuring the Vancouver Canucks or the San Jose
> Sharks.
> The network is carried on Comcast digital preferred channel 179, and is
> available on other local providers. Viewers with other providers can
> checkhttp://www.csnnw.comor call 877-8-CSNNW-9 (877-827-6699) for
> information on Comcast SportsNet's local availability.
> "Now that we don't have a Seattle-area NBA team, we are excited to bring
> the Trail Blazers to our Washington customers," said Tom Pierce, vice
> president of sales and marketing for Comcast. "If you want local sports,
> we've got more than any other provider. In addition to Comcast SportsNet
> Northwest, we also offer hundreds of hours of local On Demand sports
> programming which includes dozens of high school sports games; boxing;
> semi-pro beach volleyball; UW volleyball; Everett Silvertips; Seattle
> Sounders soccer; Seahawks All-Access show; Holmgren Q&A and the Husky
> Honks show."
> Comcast SportsNet is the 24/7 home of Northwest sports featuring live
> game coverage of 55 exclusive Trail Blazers games, including 33 in HDTV;

yay, so they opened up the Seattle market before ours. good job.

Terraholm

10-03-2008, 04:28 PM

Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> On Oct 2, 9:21 pm, Terraholm <terraholmSPAM...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MACK DADDY wrote:
>>> I hope it can happen!
>> http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/comcast-sportsnet-northwest-lau...{1CCBBDBC-2DA3-4045-A2B4-03BCE1CA571D}&dist=hppr
>>
>> Comcast SportsNet Northwest Launches in Seattle Area
>> Network Brings Trail Blazers, NHL Coverage
>>
>> Last update: 1:53 p.m. EDT Oct. 2, 2008
>> SEATTLE, Oct 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Comcast Cable and
>> Comcast SportsNet Northwest, home of the most comprehensive local sports
>> content, today announces the network is launching to sports fans in the
>> Seattle region with coverage including 55 Portland Trail Blazers NBA
>> games and 60 NHL games featuring the Vancouver Canucks or the San Jose
>> Sharks.
>> The network is carried on Comcast digital preferred channel 179, and is
>> available on other local providers. Viewers with other providers can
>> checkhttp://www.csnnw.comor call 877-8-CSNNW-9 (877-827-6699) for
>> information on Comcast SportsNet's local availability.
>> "Now that we don't have a Seattle-area NBA team, we are excited to bring
>> the Trail Blazers to our Washington customers," said Tom Pierce, vice
>> president of sales and marketing for Comcast. "If you want local sports,
>> we've got more than any other provider. In addition to Comcast SportsNet
>> Northwest, we also offer hundreds of hours of local On Demand sports
>> programming which includes dozens of high school sports games; boxing;
>> semi-pro beach volleyball; UW volleyball; Everett Silvertips; Seattle
>> Sounders soccer; Seahawks All-Access show; Holmgren Q&A and the Husky
>> Honks show."
>> Comcast SportsNet is the 24/7 home of Northwest sports featuring live
>> game coverage of 55 exclusive Trail Blazers games, including 33 in HDTV;
>
> yay, so they opened up the Seattle market before ours. good job.

Not sure how many have comcast in washington or if they actually have it
on other cable providers.

MACK DADDY

10-14-2008, 07:01 AM

On Aug 21, 5:37 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 1:36 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > On Aug 21, 8:46 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > >>> On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>> He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> > >>> masse.
>
> > >> Charter is not in portland so the few fans around the state are
> > >> unlikely to unite in some letter writing campaign that will be
> > >> ignored, when it means another loss for charter.
>
> > > Charter isn't your target in writing to the editor.
>
> > It is whether or not my local charter adds the comcast sports channel that
> > depends on if I get the games.
> > Dish will not pay their price, charter is not going to either. Neither side
> > has blinked.
> > Everyone knows the blazers fans are pissed, it is very well publicized.
>
> That's another issue entirely. I don't know what the cable wars are
> like in Oregon. But to not carry the flagship station of the local
> NBA team is sacrelige. Sounds like Charter needs to go under like TCI
> did.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> While I hate it I understand why Allen will not push charter into
> > >> it. Money. Charter will lose money on it and they are already in
> > >> debt (20 billion in 2006) and a public company with shareholders and
> > >> finally a CEO put in that likely has instructions to not listen to
> > >> Allen... if Allen was not proping it up it would have died years
> > >> ago...
>
> > > Then he needs a new partner.
>
> > lol...a little late. He is a terrible businessman and he personally got
> > Charter into the mess.
> > I think now he has finally backed off and let better people run it.
>
> He also should have made sure that his broadcasts were available in
> his market area. He would be wise to do so in the future. It's
> really his marketing person's call.
>
> > > It is also not unusual for a cable or
> > > satellite provider to be in debt, doesn't mean they are not
> > > profitable. Debt and profit are not mutually exclusive.
>
> > Not that much debt and they were still losing money every quarter last I
> > saw.
> > You know what the interst is on 20 billion?
>
> Ask our federal government. They spend that in debt every week.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> The blazers just say "so sorry' not up to us. Comcast has to make
> > >> the deal with the other cable companies.
> > >> The media and fans have been ranting reguarly for over a year
> > >> publically. Canzano writes on it and rakes the comcast people over
> > >> on getting a deal done on his radio show.
>
> > > This actually IS all about the blazers. They have a lot more pull (as
> > > does the NBA) than they let on. If they are saying, it's not up to
> > > us, they are lying.
>
> > That is just silly. They should not have sold the rights to comcast before
> > it was established but they are stuck with it.
> > They have no control of comcast deals with other providers.
>
> Sure they do. " Dear Comcast, If you want to be allowed to bid on our
> services in the future, you'll carry insure our games are available
> throughout Oregon". We really don't want to go into the cable
> business, but have the resources like MSG, to launch our own
> broadcasting system, like the Knicks have. We expect our broadcasts
> to be available throughout Oregon in 2009. Interestingly enough, my
> friend Bill has a lot of money and time on his hands since he left
> microsoft and here is a letter of intent to apply to the FCC for a
> license for MS-Sports Network" Signed Paul....
>
> Nor can they
>
> > undo the contract. There are no grounds to sue as comcast is providing
> > coverage to much of the city proper. No judge is going to say the contract
> > is null because comcast is trying to sell it's product for more than the
> > demand.
> > The NBA allows teams to black out the local market on League pass so they
> > sell more tickets. Why should they care that it is working?
>
> This has nothing to do with lawsuits or blackouts. It has to do with
> availability of games. I received blacked out games on league pass
> through the other team's network. Read the above. No lawsuit
> necessary. Of course this only works when you have $50 Billion like
> Paul and Bill.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > Laurel T
> > If stupidity got us into this mess,
> > then why can't it get us out."
> > - Will Rogers- Hide quoted text -
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Comcast totally sucks! I refuse to do business with those wankers
after they bilked me out of 75 dollars and I got no picture. Right
now I'm only getting antenna reception, but if I do PAY for tv I will
probably either get Dish or Direct, unless some of you have
suggestions for me!

MACK DADDY

10-14-2008, 07:10 AM

On Aug 22, 5:55 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Aug 21, 7:39 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have DISH and I get comcast sports net.....Weird..
>
> Not the Portland based one, it is not on either satellite company.
>
> >I'm guessing the
> > endeavor with Allen's TV network did not have a lineup featuring
> > Brandon Roy, Oden, LMA, and Rudy Fernandez, but rather the jail
> > blazers, which is in a whole different marketing plateau.
>
> No, The 2 seasons prior they sold out every game.
> Whitistt was getting hated on for trading Jermaine, but hating the blazers
> had not yet become a fad when PA was starting it.. They were still winning
> and it was between rounds of "major stuff". Most of what had been given the
> name jail in the 90s, Rider, Trent, et all were long gone.
> It was not tell half way though the next season that they imploded
>
> Rasta Grant, Smitty, Sabas, Pippen, Greg Anthony all fan favorites were
> there...
> Bonzi was coming off his rookie year and not in that much trouble as yet....
> Damon had not got caught with pot yet and the biggest rip on him was he was
> still too short and overdribbled and he was well liked as a person and
> homegrown product. He was still loved by many when he left despite his pot
> problem. For things like saving a previously tax based portland school
> sports program that was being cut by dropping about a million on it and
> getting others to help. 'Sheed had his record 38 Ts but half of us loved
> him anyway...
>
> Just after the 2000 WCF is when it was announced that PA was putting it
> together and went on the air about a year later.
>
> The god awful taking in of cokehead Kemp had not happened yet when the
> channel was launched and everyone thought the extremely popular Grant would
> be given a big contract and stay that summer it was launched.
> After the cable channel waw going they blew up. Added to paying Detlef not
> to play and bringing in Strickland mid season they went from leading the
> west until march to losing something like 18 of the last 25 games.
>
> And the idea was popular enough if they could have done it... Portland until
> the mid 90s got about 18 games per year on broadcast channels and a pay
> package or PPV of maybe another 25 available if people had cable in the
> 1980s and 90s.
> And it was right as HD was coming in and even the local high school games
> were HD.
>
> What happened to the channel was the same battle as comcast is having now
> but with a more reasonable fee rate. Allen's company insisted it be in the
> base package (ie the cable company pays a fee for every subscriber) and the
> cable companies would only consider it in an additional pay level and pay
> for those much fewer subscribers. That was not going to be enough to stay
> afloat and the outlying sales not making up for the portland area.
>
> Remember Portland is a very small market. Seattle where a sports channel
> suceeded had 3 major league teams and 2.5 times the population and almost2
> times the TV homes market.
> The smallest market teams include Portland , Indiana, Charlotte, SA, Utah,
> Memphis, Milwaukee, New Orleans and now OKC.
> Of those only Utah and SA has recently been making extra from winning deep
> in the playoffs.
>
> 2007 National RANK Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Homes
>
> 1 New York 7,366,950
> 2 Los Angeles 5,611,110
> 3 Chicago 3,455,020
> 4 Philadelphia 2,941,450
> 5 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,383,570
> 6 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,378,660
> 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,372,030
> 8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,272,120
> 9 Atlanta 2,205,510
> 10 Houston 1,982,120
> 11 Detroit 1,938,320
> 13 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,725,000
> (14 Seattle-Tacoma 1,724,450)
> 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,678,430
> 16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,538,620
> 17 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,537,500
> 18 Denver 1,431,910
> 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,395,830
> 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,368,680
> 23 Portland, OR 1,117,990
> 25 Indianapolis 1,060,550
> 26 Charlotte 1,045,240
> 33 Cincinnati 886,910
> 34 Milwaukee 882,990
> 35 Salt Lake City 839,170
> 37 San Antonio 774,470
> 44 Memphis 664,290
> 45 Oklahoma City 662,380
> 54 New Orleans 566,960
>
> Large market teams get around $30-40 million dollars in corporate sponsors
> and advertisers. Medium markets average around $25 million, and the smaller
> markets $10-12 million. That depends on the TV market. The Average local
> TV deal for an NBA team is around 12 million dollars.
> The corporate sponsors' income for the larger markets keep going up, but
> most most of the smaller markets are actually losing sponsor income.
> Comcast paid the Blazers 13 million and that is in addition to the KGW
> contract for 25 games, it was a huge small market deal. And why they will
> not fight with them...
>
> > The whole
> > country is gonna want this team.
>
> They are rather hard to hate (although there are left over rivalries whose
> fans hate them no problem) and fun to watch...I am just worried they are
> being way over-hyped for this season.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> A coach after being informed, that like
> players, their drug tests would include
> banned performance enhancing drugs:
> "Does that include Viagra?"

Portlands market just grew by 2.5 mil. with the theft of the Sonics by
Clay Bennett to Oklahomo.

MACK DADDY

10-14-2008, 07:18 AM

On Aug 23, 4:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 9:55 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 7:21 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 20, 12:20 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > > > On Aug 20, 12:08 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Aug 18, 12:56 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Aug 14, 11:20 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>> I hope it can happen!
>
> > > > >>>> Buy league pass from your TV provider..
>
> > > > >>> My cable company charter (owned by Paul Allen which pisses me off
> > > > >>> more about them not getting the comcast games) does not offer LP
> > > > >>> nor nbaTV... and Blazer games are blacked out for most of the state
> > > > >>> even if I switched to satellite.
>
> > > > >>> I go to a sports bar or find a feed.
>
> > > > >> This sucks! Why do Seahawks games get rammed down our throats, and
> > > > >> we have access to some Mariners games, but we can't watch basketball?
>
> > > > > That sucks. Are you guys writing about this to Paul Allen, calling
> > > > > his office? You should be.
>
> > > > He knows... and likely he does not care... more RG sell outs...
> > > > Just about all the full season tickets are gone (last I heard therewere
> > > > less than 100 left) so maybe they will get a deal done but I doubt it is
> > > > high priority after a year...they are waiting for comcast to come down.
> > > > Besides Charter is still losing tons of money and the ones actuallyrunning
> > > > it do not have paying comcast's price high on their list. The internet
> > > > streaming allowed by the league might help get them on common ground if it
> > > > happens...
>
> > > > --
> > > > Laurel T
> > > > "Maybe he's just trying to put some English on it."
> > > > Jim Durham on Malone talking to the ball
> > > > before a free throw.
>
> > > He may care more than you think. You guys have to get to him en
> > > masse. Remind him how Microsoft was started. They gave away MS-DOS
> > > to IBM so that the leading PC maker relied on their system. They
> > > need to give away their broadcast to open the Blazers up to a broader
> > > market, just the way Microsoft did. Also, more games, more
> > > advertising dollars for the network who picks them up, more
> > > endorsement money, more merchandising. The ticket sales are a piece
> > > of the pie, not the whole pie. Ask DA BULLS. He may not even see the
> > > letters. Do you guys write this in Op Ed in the Oregonian?
>
> > > Rizzo- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I didn't know who to write to. I've been spreading my opinion around
> > different places hoping it would be noticed. I've been trying to get
> > the Tacoma News Tribune to eliminate their Sonics blog, since they are
> > not Seattle and Not Sonics anymore. Trying to get them to start up a
> > Blazers blog.
>
> Keep doing it. Keep trying different sources including the NBA in
> NY. Try the Seattle PI and the Oregonian. Ridicule them in front of
> their peers by saying the Tacoma tribuine is so stupid that they post
> Sonics Blog etc. Keep trying different things with the same ultimate
> message of getting blazers games. Use different names.
>
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tacoma News Tribune never responded to me.
I wrote to both Seattle papers, Times and P-I, and they actually both
say NO! They think I'm a traitor for supporting the Blazers. I don't
understand that, there is no Sonics anymore. I did get a positive
response from the Olympian, they say they will be covering the
Blazers! I assume farther south papers such as Longview already do
cover Blazers since they are so close!

MACK DADDY

10-14-2008, 07:21 AM

MACK DADDY

10-14-2008, 07:27 AM

On Oct 3, 7:50 am, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 9:21 pm, Terraholm <terraholmSPAM...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > MACK DADDY wrote:
> > > I hope it can happen!
>
> >http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/comcast-sportsnet-northwest-lau...{1CCBBDBC-2DA3-4045-A2B4-03BCE1CA571D}&dist=hppr
>
> > Comcast SportsNet Northwest Launches in Seattle Area
> > Network Brings Trail Blazers, NHL Coverage
>
> > Last update: 1:53 p.m. EDT Oct. 2, 2008
> > SEATTLE, Oct 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Comcast Cable and
> > Comcast SportsNet Northwest, home of the most comprehensive local sports
> > content, today announces the network is launching to sports fans in the
> > Seattle region with coverage including 55 Portland Trail Blazers NBA
> > games and 60 NHL games featuring the Vancouver Canucks or the San Jose
> > Sharks.
> > The network is carried on Comcast digital preferred channel 179, and is
> > available on other local providers. Viewers with other providers can
> > checkhttp://www.csnnw.comorcall 877-8-CSNNW-9 (877-827-6699) for
> > information on Comcast SportsNet's local availability.
> > "Now that we don't have a Seattle-area NBA team, we are excited to bring
> > the Trail Blazers to our Washington customers," said Tom Pierce, vice
> > president of sales and marketing for Comcast. "If you want local sports,
> > we've got more than any other provider. In addition to Comcast SportsNet
> > Northwest, we also offer hundreds of hours of local On Demand sports
> > programming which includes dozens of high school sports games; boxing;
> > semi-pro beach volleyball; UW volleyball; Everett Silvertips; Seattle
> > Sounders soccer; Seahawks All-Access show; Holmgren Q&A and the Husky
> > Honks show."
> > Comcast SportsNet is the 24/7 home of Northwest sports featuring live
> > game coverage of 55 exclusive Trail Blazers games, including 33 in HDTV;
>
> yay, so they opened up the Seattle market before ours. good job.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

That sucks! We must all join together and protest this TV nonsense!