I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
competative.

On Aug 11, 8:35 pm, spr272...@netzero.net wrote:> I only see three
starting position players on there curent roster that> should be there
next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on> the roster other
than the pitching staff should be starting on a major> league team.
the reds need five new posistion players and pitching> help. from that
perspective it will take many years for the reds to be> competative.

I am so GD tired of hearing "Next Year", "Next Year" and "Next Year".
Look @ the 3 outfielders that the Reds have gotten rid of in the past
12 months. Dusty needs to go next.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:

> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
> competative.
>

I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.

Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
would not be bad.

The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
and a catcher.

"Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0808121131501.13293@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:
>
>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
>> competative.
>>
>
> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>
> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
> would not be bad.
>
> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
> and a catcher


Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
have.

Chuck wrote:
> "Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:
>>
>>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
>>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
>>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
>>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
>>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
>>> competative.
>>>
>> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
>> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>>
>> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
>> would not be bad.
>>
>> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
>> and a catcher
>
> Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
> have.

That's OK. Dunn has some talents that Dickerson doesn't have.

dfs

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:22 -0400, "Chuck" <chuckw417@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
>"Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0808121131501.13293@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:
>>
>>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
>>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
>>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
>>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
>>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
>>> competative.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
>> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>>
>> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
>> would not be bad.
>>
>> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
>> and a catcher
>
>Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
>have.

Not intending to pick on you, Chuck, but it strikes me that your comment
was exactly the problem with fans', mediots' and AL GMs who shall remain
nameless perception of Dunn: focusing on the things he couldn't do
rather than the extremely valuable things he did do well.

*********************************************************************
Kevin P. McClave

"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of
people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy
*********************************************************************

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:51:34 -0400, David Short
<David.no.Short@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:

>Chuck wrote:
>> "Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
>>>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
>>>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
>>>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
>>>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
>>>> competative.
>>>>
>>> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
>>> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>>>
>>> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
>>> would not be bad.
>>>
>>> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
>>> and a catcher
>>
>> Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
>> have.
>
>That's OK. Dunn has some talents that Dickerson doesn't have.

Heh. Even more succinctly to the point I just posted.

*********************************************************************
Kevin P. McClave

"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever
acheive greatly." ~Robert F. Kennedy
*********************************************************************

On Aug 15, 9:51 am, Kevin McClave <kmccl...@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:22 -0400, "Chuck" <chuckw...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Zuke" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0808121131501.13293@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
> >> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272...@netzero.net wrote:
>
> >>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
> >>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
> >>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
> >>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
> >>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
> >>> competative.
>
> >> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
> >> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>
> >> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
> >> would not be bad.
>
> >> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
> >> and a catcher
>
> >Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
> >have.
>
> Not intending to pick on you, Chuck, but it strikes me that your comment
> was exactly the problem with fans', mediots' and AL GMs who shall remain
> nameless perception of Dunn: focusing on the things he couldn't do
> rather than the extremely valuable things he did do well.

Stolen with pride:

Here's the opening of James' essay "The Ken Phelps All-Star Team"
from the 1987 Baseball Abstract:

"See, on the one hand you've got the Henry Cottos, and on the o
ther hand, you've got your Ken Phelpses. If Henry Cotto is a major l
eague ballplayer, I'm an airplane. Cotto is one of those guys who
runs well and throws pretty decent, and one year he hit .270-
something
(in less than 150 at-bats, in Wrigley Field, with a secondary average
of .164), so you get guys like Don Zimmer who will rave about this
great
young prospect and keep trading for him, so he'll get about eight
chances
to play in the major leagues before they figure out he can't hit.

At first when he doesn't hit they'll say he just needs more playing
time,
and then they'll say he needs to stop wiggling his elbows while the
pitcher
is in motion, and then they'll say he needs to point his lead foot
and
learn to keep his weight back, and then they'll say he needs to be
more
aggressive at the plate, and then they'll say he needs to go back to
wiggling his elbows. They always figure that if you can run and throw
they'll teach you to hit. Of course they can't teach anybody to hit,
but
they always think they can, so they keep trying.

Then on the other hand you've got your Ken Phelpses. Ken Phelps
has
been a major league ballplayer since at least 1980, when he hit .294
with
128 walks and a slugging percentage close to .600 at AAA Omaha, a
tough
park for a hitter. Through 1985 he had 567 at-bats in the major
leagues—one season's worth—with 40 home runs and 92 RBI. The Mariners
still didn't want to let him play. See, the problem was that Chuck
Cottier,
in his day, was a Henry Cotto, a guy who could run and throw, but
couldn't play baseball. Most major league managers were those kind of
guys.
Ken Phelps, on the other hand, can't run particularly well (though he
isn't exceptionally slow, either) and doesn't throw well, and if
you're
that kind of player and want to play major league ball you'd better
go
7-for-20 in your first week in the majors, or they'll decide it's time
to
take another look at Henry Cotto. Ken Phelps in his first two shots at
major
league pitching went 3-for-26. Despite his limitations, the man is a
major
league player."

Or to put it another way. If you list all of the baseball skills
Phelps came out positive in only two area (power and plate discipline)
while Cotto was a positive in almost everything but those two
areas. In spite of which Phelps was a valuable player and
Cotto a scrub.

Kevin McClave wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:51:34 -0400, David Short
> <David.no.Short@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>
>> Chuck wrote:
>>> "Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
>>>>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
>>>>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
>>>>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
>>>>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
>>>>> competative.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
>>>> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>>>>
>>>> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
>>>> would not be bad.
>>>>
>>>> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
>>>> and a catcher
>>> Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
>>> have.
>> That's OK. Dunn has some talents that Dickerson doesn't have.
>
> Heh. Even more succinctly to the point I just posted.

Dickerson is probably the player most helped by the reds getting rid of
all of last year's left handed outfielders.

With the other lefty's gone, Dickerson can be a useful part of the team.

For some time I've been saying that they either needed to get Dickerson
off the 40 man roster, or take a look at him.

I'm honestly shocked the reds haven't tried putting Edwin in the
outfield. I know his range is an asset, but he's been so uneven at third
that getting him off there seems a natural thing to do.

dfs

"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:192ba4tvip9cjkoggshkbnf53h0hfh4vhv@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:22 -0400, "Chuck" <chuckw417@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0808121131501.13293@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, spr272000@netzero.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I only see three starting position players on there curent roster that
>>>> should be there next season. phillips, bruce, votto. nobody else on
>>>> the roster other than the pitching staff should be starting on a major
>>>> league team. the reds need five new posistion players and pitching
>>>> help. from that perspective it will take many years for the reds to be
>>>> competative.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep Keppinger if they
>>> can bat him 6th or 7th and play a competent third.
>>>
>>> Encarnocion out in the outfield or spelling Votto at first base
>>> would not be bad.
>>>
>>> The main players Jocketty has to come up with is a centerfielder
>>> and a catcher
>>
>>Dickerson looked good tonight and he has speed , something dunner didn't
>>have.
>
> Not intending to pick on you, Chuck, but it strikes me that your comment
> was exactly the problem with fans', mediots' and AL GMs who shall remain
> nameless perception of Dunn: focusing on the things he couldn't do
> rather than the extremely valuable things he did do well.
>
> *********************************************************************
> Kevin P. McClave
>
> "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of
> people walking on it." ~Robert F. Kennedy
> *********************************************************************


Oh That's Ok Kevin, I can take it.... I think we will miss his HRs But
fielding wasn't his strong point. Lets see if he is poison to AZ. When
ever I took a new job I was always out to show how eager and what A valuable
asset I could be for the company. The change of scenery should help them
both.... Maybe Grif and Dunner will play against each other in the post
season.