I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
no longer the #1 choice for players to go. The fact that a team from
Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
screwed up.

But I think this is just the start of things to come.

"ebrian" <ebrian@gmail.com> wrote:
>I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> no longer the #1 choice for players to go. The fact that a team from
> Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> screwed up.
>
> But I think this is just the start of things to come.

You're wrong. The NBA is the number one choice - all other things being
equal. Childress was in a situation where he played for a messed up
organiation, and didn't have much chance of getting a decent new contract.
A good Euro team offers him way way way more money he can make in the NBA -
with opt out clauses for each year of his three year contract - and the move
makes sense.

However, I won't be surprised to see more middling to marginal NBA talent
making the same move if they don't get the money they want over here.

--
OK

On Jul 24, 9:43 am, "Onion Knight" <dioneo(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "ebrian" <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> > no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> > Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> > not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> > pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> > Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> > screwed up.
>
> > But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
>    You're wrong.  The NBA is the number one choice - all other things being
> equal.  Childress was in a situation where he played for a messed up
> organiation, and didn't have much chance of getting a decent new contract..
> A good Euro team offers him way way way more money he can make in the NBA-
> with opt out clauses for each year of his three year contract - and the move
> makes sense.
>
>    However, I won't be surprised to see more middling to marginal NBAtalent
> making the same move if they don't get the money they want over here.
>
> --
> OK

What did you think "greener pastures" meant?

On Jul 24, 9:43 am, "Onion Knight" <dioneo(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "ebrian" <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> > no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> > Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> > not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> > pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> > Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> > screwed up.
>
> > But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
>    You're wrong.  The NBA is the number one choice - all other things being
> equal.  Childress was in a situation where he played for a messed up
> organiation, and didn't have much chance of getting a decent new contract..
> A good Euro team offers him way way way more money he can make in the NBA-
> with opt out clauses for each year of his three year contract - and the move
> makes sense.
>
>    However, I won't be surprised to see more middling to marginal NBAtalent
> making the same move if they don't get the money they want over here.
>
> --
> OK

There's money to be made. They've got rich guys owning teams, and
there's exchange rate of euros to dollars, and there's situations
where the players may not have to pay local taxes.
I won't be surprised to see bigger names than Childress go, although I
think I read that he'll have the biggest contract in Europe.

Also, this year's top HS player is allegedly heading for Europe to get
paid rather than spend a year at Arizona. And why not?

On Jul 24, 4:59 pm, cowznofsky <jhco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:43 am, "Onion Knight" <dioneo(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "ebrian" <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> > > no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> > > Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> > > not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> > > pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> > > Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> > > screwed up.
>
> > > But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
> >    You're wrong.  The NBA is the number one choice - all other things being
> > equal.  Childress was in a situation where he played for a messed up
> > organiation, and didn't have much chance of getting a decent new contract.
> > A good Euro team offers him way way way more money he can make in the NBA -
> > with opt out clauses for each year of his three year contract - and themove
> > makes sense.
>
> >    However, I won't be surprised to see more middling to marginal NBA talent
> > making the same move if they don't get the money they want over here.
>
> > --
> > OK
>
> There's money to be made.  They've got rich guys owning teams, and
> there's exchange rate of euros to dollars, and there's situations
> where the players may not have to pay local taxes.
> I won't be surprised to see bigger names than Childress go, although I
> think I read that he'll have the biggest contract in Europe.
>
> Also, this year's top HS player is allegedly heading for Europe to get
> paid rather than spend a year at Arizona.  And why not?

Absolutely. And with the US economy the way it is and taxes, there's
quite a significant amount of money to be made.

Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal. That's tax free, equivalent to
a $32M offer in the NBA.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT), ebrian <ebrian@gmail.com> wrote:

> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal. That's tax free, equivalent to
> a $32M offer in the NBA.

And you get to live in Europe.

As somebody who has spent time living in the Canada, the USA, and Europe, I
can easily say I would take 1/2 the money and live in Europe. Especialy for
players who are not US-born.

"Playing in the best league in the world" is a big draw, so EuroLeague has
a way to go before this is a mjor problem for the NBA.

Berlin is hosting Euroleague championships this season, so this is a good
year to come to town, I'll be happy to show asbntr folks around.

This also means that the Albatross (yes, that is the name of Berlin's
Basketball team) will actually be in the Euroleague this year, which makes
it a whole lot more interesting to follow them.

http://www.albaberlin.de/staticsite/staticsite.php?menuid=12&topmenu=2&keepmenu=inactive


--
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http://www.dialstation.com
- international calling from your mobile phone.
- no special software to use, just your phone.

On Jul 25, 1:29 pm, Quirk <qu...@telekommunisten.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT), ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
> > offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal.  That's tax free, equivalent to
> > a $32M offer in the NBA.
>
> And you get to live in Europe.
>
> As somebody who has spent time living in the Canada, the USA, and Europe,I
> can easily say I would take 1/2 the money and live in Europe. Especialy for
> players who are not US-born.
>
> "Playing in the best league in the world" is a big draw, so EuroLeague has
> a way to go before this is a mjor problem for the NBA.
>
> Berlin is hosting Euroleague championships this season, so this is a good
> year to come to town, I'll be happy to show asbntr folks around.
>
> This also means that the Albatross (yes, that is the name of Berlin's
> Basketball team) will actually be in the Euroleague this year, which makes
> it a whole lot more interesting to follow them.
>
> http://www.albaberlin.de/staticsite/staticsite.php?menuid=12&topmenu=....
>
> --
> Quirk <qu...@telekommunisten.net>
>
> http://www.dialstation.com
> - international calling from your mobile phone.
> - no special software to use, just your phone.

I'm not sure how much of a draw it is to play in the best league. How
many times has a player given up cash to play where he wanted? These
guys know they're making a ton of money, but they better grab it now
because it could be gone tomorrow.

There was also a mention that Delonte West has been offered a Euro
contract.

ebrian wrote:
<...>
> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal. That's tax free

How do you guys got this weird idea that we don't have taxes in Europe?

Davide.

DR wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> <...>
>> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
>> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal. That's tax free
>
> How do you guys got this weird idea that we don't have taxes in
> Europe?


It is not tax free but it is after taxes.
The teams pay their players taxes and that is the net paid to the players.
Also other perks, housing and stuff, that are not allowed in the NBA and the
exchange rate make a 10 mil contact worth a lot more in Europe.


--
Laurel T
"Every time 'Sheed took a shot he said
`Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
I get paid for doing this to you',"
- Kwame Brown

cowznofsky wrote:
> On Jul 25, 1:29 pm, Quirk <qu...@telekommunisten.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT), ebrian ebr...@gmail.com

>
> I'm not sure how much of a draw it is to play in the best league. How
> many times has a player given up cash to play where he wanted? These
> guys know they're making a ton of money, but they better grab it now
> because it could be gone tomorrow.

There are two Euro players coming over this year and turning down a lot
bigger offers than their rookie contracts in Marc Gasol and Rudy Fernandez

>
> There was also a mention that Delonte West has been offered a Euro
> contract.

A lot of agents are using the threat now to negotiate.


--
Laurel T
"It's another one of those things that sort of
gurgles up from the basketball Babylon,"
Petrie on a Trade Rumor
Laurel T

"Quirk" <quirk@telekommunisten.net> wrote in message
news:mailman.0.1217006982.31949.asbntr-post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca...
>
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT), ebrian <ebrian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
>> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal. That's tax free, equivalent to
>> a $32M offer in the NBA.
>
> And you get to live in Europe.
>
> As somebody who has spent time living in the Canada, the USA, and Europe,
> I
> can easily say I would take 1/2 the money and live in Europe. Especialy
> for
> players who are not US-born.
>

You might think that, and I might think that (I do), but to your average NBA
player, raised on McNuggets and Disneyland, the lure of Europe is probably
not as tempting... Sadly. I've debated moving to a few European destinations
without the promise of even my current salary - which, of course, is not
even close to that of a pro athlete's...

But to your last point (re. non US-born players): Yes. The NBA obviously
still hold allure as the premier basketball league in the world, but should
that change, I agree - why would a (for example) Italian player choose to
move to the USA... Not meant as a knock against the US, but home is home.

Kenzaburo wrote:
> "Quirk" <quirk@telekommunisten.net> wrote in message
> news:mailman.0.1217006982.31949.asbntr-post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca...
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT), ebrian <ebrian@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
>>> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal. That's tax free, equivalent
>>> to a $32M offer in the NBA.
>>
>> And you get to live in Europe.
>>
>> As somebody who has spent time living in the Canada, the USA, and
>> Europe, I
>> can easily say I would take 1/2 the money and live in Europe.
>> Especialy for
>> players who are not US-born.
>>
>
> You might think that, and I might think that (I do), but to your
> average NBA player, raised on McNuggets and Disneyland, the lure of
> Europe is probably not as tempting... Sadly. I've debated moving to a
> few European destinations without the promise of even my current
> salary - which, of course, is not even close to that of a pro
> athlete's...
> But to your last point (re. non US-born players): Yes. The NBA
> obviously still hold allure as the premier basketball league in the
> world, but should that change, I agree - why would a (for example)
> Italian player choose to move to the USA... Not meant as a knock
> against the US, but home is home.

And for an average NBA level player long term, after their rookie contract,
there is more to be made in the US.


--
Laurel T

In the eyes of the political elite,
dissent is acceptable... until it becomes effective.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:55:29 -0700, "Terraholm"
<TerraholmSPAMNOT@hotmail.com> wrote:

>There are two Euro players coming over this year and turning down a lot
>bigger offers than their rookie contracts in Marc Gasol and Rudy Fernandez

it can happen for a short time, but they're not going to stay too long
in the NBA unless they get some serious offers on their second
contract.

Once a player realizes what his role in the league is and that he
hasn't the tools to change it, money will be the deciding factor.
--
Ryoga Hibiki (Marco Fracasso)
icq: #132215537 mail: ryogahibiki(at)inwind.it
"Players ALONE don't win championships, organizations do"
Jerry Krause B,SVAODNEVCUQQOOPJVE

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:55:29 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <TerraholmSPAMNOT@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two Euro players coming over this year and turning down a
>> lot bigger offers than their rookie contracts in Marc Gasol and Rudy
>> Fernandez
>
> it can happen for a short time, but they're not going to stay too long
> in the NBA unless they get some serious offers on their second
> contract.

That was what I was saying, some might get bigger offers but on average they
still make more here in the long run even at the NBA average salary which is
now almost 6 million. There are only a couple of teams in Europe with big
arenas that are handing out large contracts.

>
> Once a player realizes what his role in the league is and that he
> hasn't the tools to change it, money will be the deciding factor.

Still once they are in the NBA they are basically committed for 4 years
until they are free agents.
Euroleague can or will not hire them away, any more than the nba teams can
break euroleague contracts.

Besides likely the CBA will get tweaked to compete next time it is
negociated.


--
Laurel T
"The Isaiah Rider camp,has only one camper in it."
David Kahn, Pacers GM,

On Jul 25, 9:52 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> DR wrote:
> > ebrian wrote:
> > <...>
> >> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
> >> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal.  That's tax free
>
> > How do you guys got this weird idea that we don't have taxes in
> > Europe?
>
> It is not tax free but it is after taxes.
> The teams pay their players taxes and that is the net paid to the players..
> Also other perks, housing and stuff, that are not allowed in the NBA and the
> exchange rate make a 10 mil contact worth a lot more in Europe.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "Every time 'Sheed took a shot he said
> `Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
> I get paid for doing this to you',"
>  - Kwame Brown

Thanks for clearing that up.. I had been reading about it and was
confused also about the tax-free business.

On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kenzaburo wrote:
> > "Quirk" <qu...@telekommunisten.net> wrote in message
> >news:mailman.0.1217006982.31949.asbntr-post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca...
>
> >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:13:43 -0700 (PDT), ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Latest rumor is Olympiakos (the team that signed Childress) has
> >>> offered Ben Gordon a 2 year $20M deal.  That's tax free, equivalent
> >>> to a $32M offer in the NBA.
>
> >> And you get to live in Europe.
>
> >> As somebody who has spent time living in the Canada, the USA, and
> >> Europe, I
> >> can easily say I would take 1/2 the money and live in Europe.
> >> Especialy for
> >> players who are not US-born.
>
> > You might think that, and I might think that (I do), but to your
> > average NBA player, raised on McNuggets and Disneyland, the lure of
> > Europe is probably not as tempting... Sadly. I've debated moving to a
> > few European destinations without the promise of even my current
> > salary - which, of course, is not even close to that of a pro
> > athlete's...
> > But to your last point (re. non US-born players): Yes. The NBA
> > obviously still hold allure as the premier basketball league in the
> > world, but should that change, I agree - why would a (for example)
> > Italian player choose to move to the USA... Not meant as a knock
> > against the US, but home is home.
>
> And for an average NBA level player long term, after their rookie contract,
> there is more to be made in the US.
>
> --
> Laurel T
>
> In the eyes of the political elite,
>  dissent is acceptable... until it becomes effective.

That's only assuming they are a top flight player. Juan Carlos
Navarro discovered he was only going to be a role player, so he left.

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Kenzaburo wrote:


>
> That's only assuming they are a top flight player.

Average or above wage in the nba...5.8 mil and up.

>Juan Carlos
> Navarro discovered he was only going to be a role player, so he left.

Yes minimum players here can really do well leaving and he got the big boost
from this years crop.
But some are still staying, Matt Barnes turn down 2 or 3 million net to take
a minimun NBA contract with the suns.

Last year Gross Euroleague net (taxes
paid)
Childress 3.6 mil 4 mil
Navarro 0 .5 3
Garb 4 3
Delfino 1.8 2.8
Nachbar 2.8 2.7
Brezec 2.7 2

However for the 'net' figure in that the Agents are not limited to the NBA's
4% of the gross, they can charge up to 10% of the net figure.


--
Laurel T
The invention of basketball was not an
accident. It was developed to meet a
need. Those boys simply would not play
"Drop the Handkerchief"
James Naismith

On Jul 28, 6:17 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Kenzaburo wrote:
>
> > That's only assuming they are a top flight player.
>
> Average or above wage in the nba...5.8 mil and up.
>
>  >Juan Carlos
>
> > Navarro discovered he was only going to be a role player, so he left.
>
> Yes minimum players here can really do well leaving and he got the big boost
> from this years crop.
> But some are still staying, Matt Barnes turn down 2 or 3 million net to take
> a minimun NBA contract with the suns.
>
>                         Last year Gross           Euroleague net  (taxes
> paid)
> Childress            3.6 mil                                 4 mil
>  Navarro               0 .5                                     3
>  Garb                    4                                         3
> Delfino                 1.8                                      2.8
> Nachbar               2.8                                      2.7
> Brezec                  2.7                                    2
>
> However for the 'net' figure in that the Agents are not limited to the NBA's
> 4% of the gross, they can charge up to 10% of the net figure.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> The invention of basketball was not an
> accident. It was developed to meet a
> need. Those boys simply would not play
> "Drop the Handkerchief"
> James Naismith

I read somewhere that Delfino was going to make more money this year
than Manu Ginobili.

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 28, 6:17 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ebrian wrote:
>>> On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Kenzaburo wrote:
>>
>>> That's only assuming they are a top flight player.
>>
>> Average or above wage in the nba...5.8 mil and up.
>>
>>> Juan Carlos
>>
>>> Navarro discovered he was only going to be a role player, so he
>>> left.
>>
>> Yes minimum players here can really do well leaving and he got the
>> big boost from this years crop.
>> But some are still staying, Matt Barnes turn down 2 or 3 million net
>> to take a minimun NBA contract with the suns.
>>
>> Last year Gross Euroleague net (taxes
>> paid)
>> Childress 3.6 mil 4 mil
>> Navarro 0 .5 3
>> Garb 4 3
>> Delfino 1.8 2.8
>> Nachbar 2.8 2.7
>> Brezec 2.7 2
>>
>> However for the 'net' figure in that the Agents are not limited to
>> the NBA's 4% of the gross, they can charge up to 10% of the net
>> figure.
>>
>> --

>
> I read somewhere that Delfino was going to make more money this year
> than Manu Ginobili.

I have seen from 4 million net as listed above a few times, and I have seen
as high as 20 million for 3 years net after taxes, so 6.67 per. If it is
the high end of that he would likely net more than Manu.
Manu makes 9.9 mil next year. If he has no accountant, no investments and
100% of his income was taxable (which it is not of course)...he would net
about 6.44 after federal taxes.
The players and coaches pay states taxes for away games for whatever state
they are playing in. (this is unique to sports)
Each game is 1/90 of the total pay as preseason counts the same.
Texas like Florida has no state income tax, so over half his money is at
least free of that part of taxes.


--
Laurel T
"Every time 'Sheed took a shot he said
`Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
I get paid for doing this to you',"
- Kwame Brown

Kwame better worry about what 'Sheed is getting paid to do to him next
season...=)

On Jul 29, 10:29 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 6:17 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> ebrian wrote:
> >>> On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Kenzaburo wrote:
>
> >>> That's only assuming they are a top flight player.
>
> >> Average or above wage in the nba...5.8 mil and up.
>
> >>> Juan Carlos
>
> >>> Navarro discovered he was only going to be a role player, so he
> >>> left.
>
> >> Yes minimum players here can really do well leaving and he got the
> >> big boost from this years crop.
> >> But some are still staying, Matt Barnes turn down 2 or 3 million net
> >> to take a minimun NBA contract with the suns.
>
> >> Last year Gross Euroleague net (taxes
> >> paid)
> >> Childress 3.6 mil 4 mil
> >> Navarro 0 .5         3
> >> Garb 4                  3
> >> Delfino 1.8            2.8
> >> Nachbar 2.8          2.7
> >> Brezec 2.7             2
>
> >> However for the 'net' figure in that the Agents are not limited to
> >> the NBA's 4% of the gross, they can charge up to 10% of the net
> >> figure.
>
> >> --
>
> > I read somewhere that Delfino was going to make more money this year
> > than Manu Ginobili.
>
>  I have seen from 4 million net as listed above a few times, and I haveseen
> as high as 20 million for 3 years net after taxes, so 6.67 per.  If it is
> the high end of that he would likely net more than Manu.
> Manu makes 9.9 mil next year.  If he has no accountant, no investments and
> 100% of his income was taxable (which it is not of course)...he would net
> about 6.44 after federal taxes.
>  The players and coaches pay states taxes for away games for whatever state
> they are playing in. (this is unique to sports)
> Each game is 1/90 of the total pay as preseason counts the same.
> Texas like Florida has no state income tax, so over half his money is at
> least free of that part of taxes.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "Every time 'Sheed took a shot he said
> `Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
> I get paid for doing this to you',"
>  - Kwame Brown
>
> Kwame better worry about what 'Sheed is getting paid to do to him next
> season...=)

Wow, that's kinda cool. Does that mean that playing in the Western
Conference you can potentially net more than the Eastern Conference,
since there are more games against teams in Texas?

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 29, 10:29 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ebrian wrote:
>>> On Jul 28, 6:17 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ebrian wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 26, 8:21 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Kenzaburo wrote:
>>
>>>>> That's only assuming they are a top flight player.
>>
>>>> Average or above wage in the nba...5.8 mil and up.
>>
>>>>> Juan Carlos
>>
>>>>> Navarro discovered he was only going to be a role player, so he
>>>>> left.
>>
>>>> Yes minimum players here can really do well leaving and he got the
>>>> big boost from this years crop.
>>>> But some are still staying, Matt Barnes turn down 2 or 3 million
>>>> net to take a minimun NBA contract with the suns.
>>
>>>> Last year Gross Euroleague net (taxes
>>>> paid)
>>>> Childress 3.6 mil 4 mil
>>>> Navarro 0 .5 3
>>>> Garb 4 3
>>>> Delfino 1.8 2.8
>>>> Nachbar 2.8 2.7
>>>> Brezec 2.7 2
>>
>>>> However for the 'net' figure in that the Agents are not limited to
>>>> the NBA's 4% of the gross, they can charge up to 10% of the net
>>>> figure.
>>
>>>> --
>>
>>> I read somewhere that Delfino was going to make more money this year
>>> than Manu Ginobili.
>>
>> I have seen from 4 million net as listed above a few times, and I
>> have seen as high as 20 million for 3 years net after taxes, so 6.67
>> per. If it is the high end of that he would likely net more than
>> Manu.
>> Manu makes 9.9 mil next year. If he has no accountant, no
>> investments and 100% of his income was taxable (which it is not of
>> course)...he would net about 6.44 after federal taxes.
>> The players and coaches pay states taxes for away games for whatever
>> state they are playing in. (this is unique to sports)
>> Each game is 1/90 of the total pay as preseason counts the same.
>> Texas like Florida has no state income tax, so over half his money
>> is at least free of that part of taxes.
>>

> Wow, that's kinda cool. Does that mean that playing in the Western
> Conference you can potentially net more than the Eastern Conference,
> since there are more games against teams in Texas?

3 teams in Texas and Tenn. is taxed only on interest and dividends, and the
East only has Florida with two teams with no state taxes but Illinois, Penn.
and Indiana about a 3% rate.

And the west just went from a no tax state to about 6% when the sonics
moved.
And on the other hand California is nation high at 10.3% when making over 1
million , Minnesota 8.5 and Oregon at 9% for the high brackets and that is
for 6 teams.
Living in Portland is not as bad as that looks... there is no sales tax and
the federal tax is deductable.

In the east the two highest states are NC at about 8 %, DC at 8.5 and NJ at
9.

Most of the rest are about 4 to 6 % for the high bracket

Then some states allow a deduction for taxes paid to other states...

The accounting has to be a nightmare...and eat more income.


--
Laurel T
"If you can't say anything nice, sit next to me."
Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)

On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> screwed up.
>
> But I think this is just the start of things to come.

J.R Bremer is headed to Europe. Yea I never heard of him either..

On Jul 31, 3:40 pm, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> > no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> > Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> > not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> > pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> > Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> > screwed up.
>
> > But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
> J.R Bremer is headed to Europe.  Yea I never heard of him either..

Good for him. He was an effective third-string pg for about 10 games
for the Celtics a few years back.

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
>> no longer the #1 choice for players to go. The fact that a team from
>> Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
>> not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
>> pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
>> Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe
>> they screwed up.
>>
>> But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
> J.R Bremer is headed to Europe. Yea I never heard of him either..


From Real GM


Olympiakos Could Make Run At LeBron
Olympiakos is considering a run at LeBron James when he becomes a free
agent in 2010, according to a source close to Sports Illustrated's Ian
Thomsen.

As a free agent in 2010, his new contract in the NBA would start at
less than $20 million annually.

The owners of Olympiakos already lose millions annually on their
player payroll. It may be worthwhile to them to lose $40 million or more in
exchange for the grandeur of LeBron.

On Aug 2, 9:50 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> >> no longer the #1 choice for players to go. The fact that a team from
> >> Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> >> not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> >> pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> >> Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe
> >> they screwed up.
>
> >> But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
> > J.R Bremer is headed to Europe.  Yea I never heard of him either..
>
> From Real GM
>
>       Olympiakos Could Make Run At LeBron
>       Olympiakos is considering a run at LeBron James when he becomes a free
> agent in 2010, according to a source close to Sports Illustrated's Ian
> Thomsen.
>
>       As a free agent in 2010, his new contract in the NBA would start at
> less than $20 million annually.
>
>       The owners of Olympiakos already lose millions annually on their
> player payroll. It may be worthwhile to them to lose $40 million or more in
> exchange for the grandeur of LeBron.

Haha..that's pretty funny. How do they afford to sign big names if
they keep losing money?

Btw, Arroyo just signed in Europe.

ebrian wrote:
> On Aug 2, 9:50 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Haha..that's pretty funny. How do they afford to sign big names if
> they keep losing money?

I many cases it is a more of a rich man's hobby than a business in Europe.
Also some of them are starting to build large arenas and total payroll is
still low compared to the NBA.


--
Laurel T
"I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
some credit for his defense.
Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
got the ball." DRob

On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> screwed up.
>
> But I think this is just the start of things to come.

Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul
and Chris Bosh have all been on record in saying they'd consider
playing the Europe. It's all about the money they're saying, except
for Kobe who actually has ties in Italy.

Is this David Stern's biggest nightmare?

On Aug 8, 9:26 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> > no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> > Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> > not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> > pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> > Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> > screwed up.
>
> > But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
> Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul
> and Chris Bosh have all been on record in saying they'd consider
> playing the Europe.  It's all about the money they're saying, except
> for Kobe who actually has ties in Italy.
>
> Is this David Stern's biggest nightmare?

Don't forget about the shoes. If some shoe company says they're
going to give a big contract to some superstar for playing in Europe,
that'll be a factor, too. I'd like to see a list with these guys' NBA
contracts along with their shoe contracts, but of course I'm too lazy
to look for it.

On Aug 8, 11:36 am, cowznofsky <jhco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 8, 9:26 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 24, 9:28 am, ebrian <ebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think this thing with Childress underlines the fact that the NBA is
> > > no longer the #1 choice for players to go.  The fact that a team from
> > > Europe has lured a valuable player (note, he's no all-star, but he's
> > > not exactly insignificant either) away from the NBA to "greener
> > > pastures" in Europe.. you look at this and you think, okay, it's only
> > > Josh Childress, and it's just one case, and it's Atlanta so maybe they
> > > screwed up.
>
> > > But I think this is just the start of things to come.
>
> > Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul
> > and Chris Bosh have all been on record in saying they'd consider
> > playing the Europe.  It's all about the money they're saying, except
> > for Kobe who actually has ties in Italy.
>
> > Is this David Stern's biggest nightmare?
>
> Don't forget about the shoes.   If some shoe company says they're
> going to give a big contract to some superstar for playing in Europe,
> that'll be a factor, too.  I'd like to see a list with these guys' NBA
> contracts along with their shoe contracts, but of course I'm too lazy
> to look for it.

That's an interesting point. I think in Europe, Adidas reigns
supreme. If Nike and Reebok want to make some headway into that
market, that could change things a bit too.