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If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns

see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".

On Jul 3, 1:09 pm, graverobber...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-...
>
> If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".

Make sign those official papers. Once that happens, it ain't gonna
matter what he says, he will be RETIRED!

In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcarenow@yahoo.com <zcarenow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 1:09 pm, graverobber...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-...
> >
> > If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> > the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> > the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> > simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> > latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> > still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
> >
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
> >
> > see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> > Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> > about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> > their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> > donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> > article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> > like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> > it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> > their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".

> Make sign those official papers. Once that happens, it ain't gonna
> matter what he says, he will be RETIRED!

The retirement papers are for NFLPA benefits only; he can change his
mind whether he retires or not.

Mike

On Jul 3, 6:09 pm, mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
> In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcare...@yahoo.com <zcare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 1:09 pm, graverobber...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-...
>
> > > If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> > > the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> > > the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> > > simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> > > latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> > > still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
>
> > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> > > see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> > > Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> > > about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> > > their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> > > donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> > > article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> > > like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> > > it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> > > their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".
> > Make sign those official papers. Once that happens, it ain't gonna
> > matter what he says, he will be RETIRED!
>
> The retirement papers are for NFLPA benefits only; he can change his
> mind whether he retires or not.
>
> Mike

He can change his mind, but the NFL could use the NFLPA against him
in not letting him back. I don't think the NFL would do it, but they
could. The NFL knows that he brings people to the stadiums, so
financially it would be stupid for them not to let him back.

In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcarenow@yahoo.com <zcarenow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 6:09 pm, mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
> > In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcare...@yahoo.com <zcare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 3, 1:09 pm, graverobber...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-...
> >
> > > > If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> > > > the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> > > > the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> > > > simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> > > > latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> > > > still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
> >
> > > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
> >
> > > > see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> > > > Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> > > > about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> > > > their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> > > > donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> > > > article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> > > > like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> > > > it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> > > > their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".
> > > Make sign those official papers. Once that happens, it ain't gonna
> > > matter what he says, he will be RETIRED!
> >
> > The retirement papers are for NFLPA benefits only; he can change his
> > mind whether he retires or not.

> He can change his mind, but the NFL could use the NFLPA against him
> in not letting him back.

No, they can't. All he has to do is show up in GB's camp while he's
still under contract, and he's unretired. GB either has to trade him,
cut him, or let him back on the team.

I don't know where you got the idea that signing the papers means
anything else.

Mike

On Jul 4, 9:12 pm, mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
> In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcare...@yahoo.com <zcare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:09 pm, mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
> > > In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcare...@yahoo.com <zcare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 3, 1:09 pm, graverobber...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-...
>
> > > > > If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> > > > > the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> > > > > the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> > > > > simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> > > > > latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> > > > > still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
>
> > > > >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> > > > > see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> > > > > Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> > > > > about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> > > > > their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> > > > > donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> > > > > article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> > > > > like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> > > > > it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> > > > > their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".
> > > > Make sign those official papers. Once that happens, it ain't gonna
> > > > matter what he says, he will be RETIRED!
>
> > > The retirement papers are for NFLPA benefits only; he can change his
> > > mind whether he retires or not.
> > He can change his mind, but the NFL could use the NFLPA against him
> > in not letting him back.
>
> No, they can't. All he has to do is show up in GB's camp while he's
> still under contract, and he's unretired. GB either has to trade him,
> cut him, or let him back on the team.
>
> I don't know where you got the idea that signing the papers means
> anything else.
>
> Mike

Green Bay could void his contract and release him cuz he retired. All
i know is that when Ricky Williams retired and didn't sign anything,
he even had a hell of a time coming back. Heck, the Dolphins wanted to
sue him for the money. I guess it is all about your relationship with
the team. If you're on good terms, you'll be ok.

zcarenow@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> If you're on good terms, you'll be ok.

....and with that being said,
and this being crossposted to the Lions NG,...


(ahem)


FIRE MILLEN!!!!


(heh,heh...it's been a while since I've seen it in print)

In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcarenow@yahoo.com <zcarenow@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 4, 9:12 pm, mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:
> > In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers zcare...@yahoo.com <zcare...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > No, they can't. All he has to do is show up in GB's camp while he's
> > still under contract, and he's unretired. GB either has to trade him,
> > cut him, or let him back on the team.
> >
> > I don't know where you got the idea that signing the papers means
> > anything else.

> Green Bay could void his contract and release him cuz he retired. All

They can do that anyway, which would make him an immediate UFA, and
he could sign with Chicago, Dallas, Minnesota, etc.

> i know is that when Ricky Williams retired and didn't sign anything,
> he even had a hell of a time coming back.

No, he didn't; he had a hard time getting the Dolphins to take him back,
but if they cut him, he'd've been free to sign with anyone.

Mike

In retrospect, and I even thought this at the time, I think it was a
mistake for Favre to retire when he did. He was still playing well,
and how can you quit an up and coming team that is 13-3 and in the NFC
Championship game? Wrong time.

However, retire he did, and I don't see the Packers wanting him back
at this point - they've moved on. Now maybe if Rodgers gets injured
in a preseason game that could change things, but for now no, I don't
see it.

Another concern is in recent years Favre's play has fallen off toward
the end of the season. This may just be part of the basic NFL trend -
scores drop as the weather gets worse and defenses figure out the
offenses. But maybe the years were catching up with him, and would
start to fade by season's end. Tough to say.

In article <42e326c4-398b-44e0-aeac-eeed8e5d17a7
@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, iarwain_8@hotmail.com says...
> In retrospect, and I even thought this at the time, I think it was a
> mistake for Favre to retire when he did. He was still playing well,
> and how can you quit an up and coming team that is 13-3 and in the NFC
> Championship game? Wrong time.

With due respect... wrong answer. It was the perfect time for Favre to
retire. Short of winning another Super Bowl, it was practically the
only time the man could have retired and gone out on top.

I'm just sayin'...

--- Cory

--
"Life without liberty is like a body without spirit." --- Kahlil Gibran

"YooperBoyka" <cjdont@likeno.spam> wrote in message
news:V7ydnVObLsumqe3VnZ2dnUVZ_h7inZ2d@comcast.com...
> zcarenow@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> If you're on good terms, you'll be ok.
>
> ...and with that being said,
> and this being crossposted to the Lions NG,...
>
>
> (ahem)
>
>
> FIRE MILLEN!!!!
>
>
> (heh,heh...it's been a while since I've seen it in print)


There are 31 other teams...plus one Lions fan fucking idiot that think
otherwise.

>it was practically the only time the man could have retired and gone out on top.

His last pass being an interception though, takes some of the shine
off of it.

graverobber_69@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-wrong-if-the-Packers-told-Favre-t?urn=nfl,91744
>
> If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".
>

Would it be so wrong to take one of the top quarterbacks in the league
back for a run at the Super Bowl?

Like it or not Favre has the best shot of getting Green Bay to the big
dance. So from a business standpoint it would be crazy not to take him back.

> Like it or not Favre has the best shot of getting Green Bay to the big dance.

I agree that's probably true, although it is only conjecture, not an
established fact. Favre has shown signs of running out of gas by
season's end the last few years - and Marino and Roethlisberger have
gone to the Super Bowl with relatively little experience.

iarwain wrote:
>> Like it or not Favre has the best shot of getting Green Bay to the
>> big dance.
>
> I agree that's probably true, although it is only conjecture, not an
> established fact. Favre has shown signs of running out of gas by
> season's end the last few years - and Marino and Roethlisberger have
> gone to the Super Bowl with relatively little experience.

I agree with you about Favre running out of gas but, what the heck, it can't
hurt to provide actual numbers. Last 4 games of 2007:

Raiders: 9/11 99 yards 2 TD 1 INT
Rams: 19/30 225 yards 2 TD 2 INT
Chicago: 17/32 153 0 TDs 2 INT
Detroit: 9/11 99 yards 2 TD 0 INT

Not Rex Grossman horrible; but not that great either.

>it can't hurt to provide actual numbers.  

I appreciate your posting the stats. Normally, if people can't be
bothered to follow along with what's going on I can't be bothered to
post a link, or the relevant statistics, either. Thankfully you're
not as lazy.

Six TDs against five INTs. Only one game out of four with 200 yards.
Yeah, not real impressive. You can usually count on Favre to add a
cluster of INTs to his total around year's end, unfortunately.

In alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers iarwain <iarwain_8@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >it can't hurt to provide actual numbers. ?

> I appreciate your posting the stats. Normally, if people can't be
> bothered to follow along with what's going on I can't be bothered to
> post a link, or the relevant statistics, either. Thankfully you're
> not as lazy.

> Six TDs against five INTs. Only one game out of four with 200 yards.
> Yeah, not real impressive. You can usually count on Favre to add a
> cluster of INTs to his total around year's end, unfortunately.

You can look it up on NFL.com. Go to "stats", "player stats", then
look up the player in question. Under "game splits", Favre's QB
rating for December games for each of the last few years is
2007 85
2006 62.2
2005 49.6
2004 78.6

Go all the way back to 2003, though, and it was 111.9, so yeah, there's
some evidence he's not as good late in the season anymore.

Mike

> some evidence he's not as good late in the season anymore.

At one time he was known as a premier cold weather quarterback and for
his excellent play in the month of December. If he were to come back
I wonder if he shared more time with Rodgers if he wouldn't wear down
as much over the season. Probably not a good idea though - might
prompt a quarterback controversy. Oh wait, I guess there's one going
on already, at least in the media.

<graverobber_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Would-it-be-so-wrong-i
f-the-Packers-told-Favre-t?urn=nfl,91744
>
> If he was a nan of character, Brett Favre would have retired for good
> the very first time he said those words. But, no, he was just using
> the word "retire" to get more money out of the Packers, plain and
> simple. He still is sitting on the fence even now regarding his
> latest "retirement", as the following cite shows, which means he is
> still up to his games of the pursuit of the mighty dollar.
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> see, dateline 7/2/08 regardng an ESPN report that Brett told the
> Packers that he "stll has the itch" and the Packers remaining mum
> about it. You can't blame the Packers - they are probably biting
> their tongues, all the things they had to go thru with that prima
> donna Brett Favre thru the years. and the visage presented with that
> article.... looking up at the sky, with tears in his eyes, sort of
> like he is asking God - "please help me make the right decision", when
> it is really more the case of "please let the Packrers find it in
> their hearts to pony up even more money for me!".
>

I would like to see Green Bay unconditionally release him and then do their
best to pummel him and what ever team he signs with, even if he signs with a
team in their own division. It would be far more dignified for them and
Favre and better for the league as a whole. And maybe Favre could finish his
career having fun and giving some struggling team a few extra wins instead
of playing out this pathetic soap opera every year. IMO it would be better
for the individuals involved. Better for the teams. Better for the league.
Better all around.