Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with any
Euroleage team?

On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
> most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with any
> Euroleage team?

It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks at
their league as a developmental type league that the D-League was
essentially built for. At least not anymore. Maybe a decade ago when
the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.

If anything they consider themselves competitors of the NBA. If you
look at recent stuff like how Fran Vasquez opted to play in Europe and
ignore the lucrative guaranteed rookie contract from Orlando, or how
there were recent reports of a European team trying to lure Anthony
Parker away from the Raptors, you can see that their league is in
direct competition for the same players. Or even how long it took for
Roko Ukic to be able to come play in the NBA.

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
>> most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with any
>> Euroleage team?
>
> It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks at
> their league as a developmental type league that the D-League was
> essentially built for. At least not anymore. Maybe a decade ago when
> the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.

Stern wants to add an European Divison within 10 years. May well be 5
existing teams.

On being drafted late first round
http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/is-it-still-worth-being-drafted/

http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/the-nba-draft-for-euros-begins-in-the-2nd-round/

On why is does not pay for kids to park a year or two in Europe waiting to
be 19 years old.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/2006/12/euroleague%E2%80%99s-outrageous-contracts/

However after the rookie contracts the NBA is much higher paid on average.
The top paid player makes about 6 mil.
http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/

On Jul 2, 8:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
> >> most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with any
> >> Euroleage team?
>
> > It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks at
> > their league as a developmental type league that the D-League was
> > essentially built for.  At least not anymore.  Maybe a decade ago when
> > the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.
>
> Stern wants to add an European Divison within 10 years. May well be 5
> existing teams.
>
> On being drafted late first roundhttp://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/is-it-still-worth-being...
>
> http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/the-nba-draft-for-euros...
>
> On why is does not pay for kids to park a year or two in Europe waiting to
> be 19 years old.http://www.slamonline.com/online/2006/12/euroleague%E2%80%99s-outrage...
>
> However after the rookie contracts the NBA is much higher paid on average..
> The top paid player makes about 6 mil.http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-sa...

True, but your points are all based on money and salaries. Is the NBA
the *best* league to play in? If you're from Spain, are you better
off playing in your country making less money while playing in front
of your countrymen, amongst pretty stiff competition and being with
your family?

30 years ago coming to America was everyone's dream, regardless of
your vocation. Things have changed dramatically since then. I
personally know a lot of people who came to Canada seeking the better
life, only to move back to their Europe/Asian country after 4-5
years.

Will top basketball franchises/leagues in the Europe drop everything
they have at the opportunity to become an NBA farm team? I'm sure
it's possible.. but I doubt it.

If it happens you can throw this thread in my face :)

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 2, 8:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ebrian wrote:
>>> On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
>>>> most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with
>>>> any Euroleage team?
>>
>>> It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks at
>>> their league as a developmental type league that the D-League was
>>> essentially built for. At least not anymore. Maybe a decade ago when
>>> the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.
>>
>> Stern wants to add an European Divison within 10 years. May well be 5
>> existing teams.
>>
>> On being drafted late first
>> roundhttp://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/is-it-still-worth-being...
>>
>> http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/the-nba-draft-for-euros...
>>
>> On why is does not pay for kids to park a year or two in Europe
>> waiting to
>> be 19 years
>> old.http://www.slamonline.com/online/2006/12/euroleague%E2%80%99s-outrage...
>>
>> However after the rookie contracts the NBA is much higher paid on
>> average.
>> The top paid player makes about 6
>> mil.http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-sa...
>
> True, but your points are all based on money and salaries. Is the NBA
> the *best* league to play in? If you're from Spain, are you better
> off playing in your country making less money while playing in front
> of your countrymen, amongst pretty stiff competition and being with
> your family?


Rudy Fernandez Yesterday:
"I am so excited about joining the Trail Blazers and the NBA,"
"The whole staff did a tremendous job making me feel like a very
important team member to them and made me forget about the economic issues
because of the rookie scale."

"My dream has been to play in the NBA and Portland is giving me this
opportunity. I was amazed about everything that Mr. Allen, Kevin Pritchard,
Coach McMillan and the rest of the guys did to show me how much they wanted
me. Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge, I can't wait to play with
them. We will do nice things!"

>30 years ago coming to America was everyone's dream, regardless of
>your vocation. Things have changed dramatically since then

For the league's trend...20 years ago there were 2 or 3 foreign players in
the NBA, now there are 90.

>
> Will top basketball franchises/leagues in the Europe drop everything
> they have at the opportunity to become an NBA farm team? I'm sure
> it's possible.. but I doubt it.

They are not talking about them being farm teams, they are not being added
to the NBDL, they will be full fledged NBA teams with big arenas.

> If it happens you can throw this thread in my face :)

I do not know if it will happen, but those would not be the reasons it will
not...=)
It was the Europeans teams lead by Real Madrid's owners and Vlade that
pitched the idea of a full division to Stern two years ago... last year he
said it could happen in about 10 years as there are more building planned.

Now they are looking more at 5 all new teams leaving the euroleague teams
out.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/13/international.expansion/index.html
The current idea would be to create five new teams in major markets to form
a "European'' division within the NBA. The teams would play the full 82-game
schedule and compete for the NBA championship. But the proposal is new and
many factors will influence the eventual outcome, the league source said.


--
Laurel T
"It's another one of those things that sort of
gurgles up from the basketball Babylon,"
Petrie on a Trade Rumor
Laurel T

On Jul 3, 11:49 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 8:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> ebrian wrote:
> >>> On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
> >>>> most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with
> >>>> any Euroleage team?
>
> >>> It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks at
> >>> their league as a developmental type league that the D-League was
> >>> essentially built for. At least not anymore. Maybe a decade ago when
> >>> the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.
>
> >> Stern wants to add an European Divison within 10 years. May well be 5
> >> existing teams.
>
> >> On being drafted late first
> >> roundhttp://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/is-it-still-worth-being...
>
> >>http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/the-nba-draft-for-euros....
>
> >> On why is does not pay for kids to park a year or two in Europe
> >> waiting to
> >> be 19 years
> >> old.http://www.slamonline.com/online/2006/12/euroleague%E2%80%99s-outrage...
>
> >> However after the rookie contracts the NBA is much higher paid on
> >> average.
> >> The top paid player makes about 6
> >> mil.http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-sa...
>
> > True, but your points are all based on money and salaries.  Is the NBA
> > the *best* league to play in?  If you're from Spain, are you better
> > off playing in your country making less money while playing in front
> > of your countrymen, amongst pretty stiff competition and being with
> > your family?
>
> Rudy Fernandez Yesterday:
> "I am so excited about joining the Trail Blazers and the NBA,"
>  "The whole staff did a tremendous job making me feel like a very
> important team member to them and made me forget about the economic issues
> because of the rookie scale."
>
> "My dream has been to play in the NBA and Portland is giving me this
> opportunity. I was amazed about everything that Mr. Allen, Kevin Pritchard,
> Coach McMillan and the rest of the guys did to show me how much they wanted
> me. Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge, I can't wait to play with
> them. We will do nice things!"
>
> >30 years ago coming to America was everyone's dream, regardless of
> >your vocation.  Things have changed dramatically since then
>
> For the league's trend...20 years ago there were 2 or 3 foreign players in
> the NBA, now there are 90.
>
>
>
> > Will top basketball franchises/leagues in the Europe drop everything
> > they have at the opportunity to become an NBA farm team?  I'm sure
> > it's possible.. but I doubt it.
>
> They are not talking about them being farm teams, they are not being added
> to the NBDL, they will be full fledged NBA teams with big arenas.
>
> > If it happens you can throw this thread in my face :)
>
> I do not know if it will happen, but those would not be the reasons it will
> not...=)
> It was the Europeans teams lead by Real Madrid's owners and Vlade that
> pitched the idea of a full division  to Stern two years ago... last year he
> said it could happen in about 10 years as there are more building planned..
>
> Now they are looking more at 5 all new teams leaving the euroleague teams
> out.
>
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/13/inter...
> The current idea would be to create five new teams in major markets to form
> a "European'' division within the NBA. The teams would play the full 82-game
> schedule and compete for the NBA championship. But the proposal is new and
> many factors will influence the eventual outcome, the league source said.
>
> --
> Laurel T
>  "It's another one of those things that sort of
> gurgles up from the basketball Babylon,"
> Petrie on a Trade Rumor
> Laurel T

Whoa whoa.. I think we've jumped topics. What you're proposing has
got nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the topic is Europe or NBADL -- I believe
the OP is asking why EuroLeague teams don't affiliate themselves with
NBA teams the way that the NBADL has, as a development (re: farm
teams) league.

I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of EuroLeague team owners jumping
at the opportunity to become an NBA farm team, just like you don't see
a lot of Japanese double A baseball teams. It would be like a slap in
the face.

ebrian wrote:
> On Jul 3, 11:49 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ebrian wrote:
>>> On Jul 2, 8:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ebrian wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st
>>>>>> and most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate
>>>>>> with any Euroleage team?
>>
>>>>> It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks
>>>>> at their league as a developmental type league that the D-League
>>>>> was essentially built for. At least not anymore. Maybe a decade
>>>>> ago when the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.
>>
>>>> Stern wants to add an European Divison within 10 years. May well
>>>> be 5 existing teams.
>>
>>>> On being drafted late first
>>>> roundhttp://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/is-it-still-worth-being...
>>
>>>> http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/the-nba-draft-for-euros...
>>
>>>> On why is does not pay for kids to park a year or two in Europe
>>>> waiting to
>>>> be 19 years
>>>> old.http://www.slamonline.com/online/2006/12/euroleague%E2%80%99s-outrage...
>>
>>>> However after the rookie contracts the NBA is much higher paid on
>>>> average.
>>>> The top paid player makes about 6
>>>> mil.http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-sa...
>>
>>> True, but your points are all based on money and salaries. Is the
>>> NBA the *best* league to play in? If you're from Spain, are you
>>> better off playing in your country making less money while playing
>>> in front of your countrymen, amongst pretty stiff competition and
>>> being with your family?
>>
>> Rudy Fernandez Yesterday:
>> "I am so excited about joining the Trail Blazers and the NBA,"
>> "The whole staff did a tremendous job making me feel like a very
>> important team member to them and made me forget about the economic
>> issues because of the rookie scale."
>>
>> "My dream has been to play in the NBA and Portland is giving me this
>> opportunity. I was amazed about everything that Mr. Allen, Kevin
>> Pritchard, Coach McMillan and the rest of the guys did to show me
>> how much they wanted me. Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge,
>> I can't wait to play with them. We will do nice things!"
>>
>>> 30 years ago coming to America was everyone's dream, regardless of
>>> your vocation. Things have changed dramatically since then
>>
>> For the league's trend...20 years ago there were 2 or 3 foreign
>> players in the NBA, now there are 90.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Will top basketball franchises/leagues in the Europe drop everything
>>> they have at the opportunity to become an NBA farm team? I'm sure
>>> it's possible.. but I doubt it.
>>
>> They are not talking about them being farm teams, they are not being
>> added to the NBDL, they will be full fledged NBA teams with big
>> arenas.
>>
>>> If it happens you can throw this thread in my face :)
>>
>> I do not know if it will happen, but those would not be the reasons
>> it will not...=)
>> It was the Europeans teams lead by Real Madrid's owners and Vlade
>> that pitched the idea of a full division to Stern two years ago...
>> last year he said it could happen in about 10 years as there are
>> more building planned.
>>
>> Now they are looking more at 5 all new teams leaving the euroleague
>> teams out.
>>
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/13/inter...
>> The current idea would be to create five new teams in major markets
>> to form a "European'' division within the NBA. The teams would play
>> the full 82-game schedule and compete for the NBA championship. But
>> the proposal is new and many factors will influence the eventual
>> outcome, the league source said.
>>
>
> Whoa whoa.. I think we've jumped topics. What you're proposing has
> got nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but the topic is Europe or NBADL --

> I believe
> the OP is asking why EuroLeague teams don't affiliate themselves with
> NBA teams the way that the NBADL has, as a development (re: farm
> teams) league.

Your answer about them being more to competitors of the nba was right (they
have set those buy-out rules to keep players from going to the NBA) ....then
you went into if rookies will even want to play in the nba... which I
answered with the money stuff...which you answered with but "Is the NBA the
*best* league to play in?"
If you were still talking D-League I missed it. Sorry. =)


--
Laurel T
Referee Earl Strom sent $100 when fined $50 for 'promoting a player'
after telling a reporter " I have just seen the greatest player alive" (Dr.
J.)
Strom sent along a note saying: "The first fifty dollars is for the fine
and the second fifty dollars is because I'm tellin' ya' he is the
greatest."

On Jul 3, 4:57 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 11:49 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> ebrian wrote:
> >>> On Jul 2, 8:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> ebrian wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st
> >>>>>> and most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate
> >>>>>> with any Euroleage team?
>
> >>>>> It's a good question, but the truth is I don't think Europe looks
> >>>>> at their league as a developmental type league that the D-League
> >>>>> was essentially built for. At least not anymore. Maybe a decade
> >>>>> ago when the NBA was considered to be on a class of its own.
>
> >>>> Stern wants to add an European Divison within 10 years. May well
> >>>> be 5 existing teams.
>
> >>>> On being drafted late first
> >>>> roundhttp://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/is-it-still-worth-being...
>
> >>>>http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/the-nba-draft-for-euros....
>
> >>>> On why is does not pay for kids to park a year or two in Europe
> >>>> waiting to
> >>>> be 19 years
> >>>> old.http://www.slamonline.com/online/2006/12/euroleague%E2%80%99s-outrage...
>
> >>>> However after the rookie contracts the NBA is much higher paid on
> >>>> average.
> >>>> The top paid player makes about 6
> >>>> mil.http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-sa...
>
> >>> True, but your points are all based on money and salaries. Is the
> >>> NBA the *best* league to play in? If you're from Spain, are you
> >>> better off playing in your country making less money while playing
> >>> in front of your countrymen, amongst pretty stiff competition and
> >>> being with your family?
>
> >> Rudy Fernandez Yesterday:
> >> "I am so excited about joining the Trail Blazers and the NBA,"
> >> "The whole staff did a tremendous job making me feel like a very
> >> important team member to them and made me forget about the economic
> >> issues because of the rookie scale."
>
> >> "My dream has been to play in the NBA and Portland is giving me this
> >> opportunity. I was amazed about everything that Mr. Allen, Kevin
> >> Pritchard, Coach McMillan and the rest of the guys did to show me
> >> how much they wanted me. Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge,
> >> I can't wait to play with them. We will do nice things!"
>
> >>> 30 years ago coming to America was everyone's dream, regardless of
> >>> your vocation. Things have changed dramatically since then
>
> >> For the league's trend...20 years ago there were 2 or 3 foreign
> >> players in the NBA, now there are 90.
>
> >>> Will top basketball franchises/leagues in the Europe drop everything
> >>> they have at the opportunity to become an NBA farm team? I'm sure
> >>> it's possible.. but I doubt it.
>
> >> They are not talking about them being farm teams, they are not being
> >> added to the NBDL, they will be full fledged NBA teams with big
> >> arenas.
>
> >>> If it happens you can throw this thread in my face :)
>
> >> I do not know if it will happen, but those would not be the reasons
> >> it will not...=)
> >> It was the Europeans teams lead by Real Madrid's owners and Vlade
> >> that pitched the idea of a full division to Stern two years ago...
> >> last year he said it could happen in about 10 years as there are
> >> more building planned.
>
> >> Now they are looking more at 5 all new teams leaving the euroleague
> >> teams out.
>
> >>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/13/inter....
> >> The current idea would be to create five new teams in major markets
> >> to form a "European'' division within the NBA. The teams would play
> >> the full 82-game schedule and compete for the NBA championship. But
> >> the proposal is new and many factors will influence the eventual
> >> outcome, the league source said.
>
> > Whoa whoa.. I think we've jumped topics.  What you're proposing has
> > got nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong but the topic is Europe or NBADL --
> > I believe
> > the OP is asking why EuroLeague teams don't affiliate themselves with
> > NBA teams the way that the NBADL has, as a development (re: farm
> > teams) league.
>
> Your answer about them being more to competitors of the nba was right (they
> have set those buy-out rules to keep players from going to the NBA) ....then
> you went into if rookies will even want to play in the nba... which I
> answered with the money stuff...which you answered with  but "Is the NBA the
> *best* league to play in?"
> If you were still talking D-League I missed it.  Sorry.  =)
>
> --
> Laurel T
> Referee Earl Strom sent $100 when fined $50 for 'promoting a player'
> after telling a reporter " I have just seen the greatest player alive" (Dr.
> J.)
> Strom sent along a note saying:   "The first fifty dollars  is for the fine
> and the second fifty dollars is  because I'm tellin' ya' he is the
> greatest."

It's okay.

On Jul 1, 9:32 pm, samuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> Given that so many teams draft European players with lower 1st and
> most of the second round, why doesn't any NBA buy/affiliate with any
> Euroleage team?

The travel would be so uncrunk. Eventhough there are leagues over
there would those cities be able to finacially compete with cap
abusiers like the Knicks and are their stadiums up to NBA stanadards.
It would be funny to watch the Raptors play a team over there and you
see one of those SKoda or Fiat cars 5 rows up like there are during
International Hockey games.