Can anyone name a worse starting SS in
MLB than Jhonny Peralta?

The only good thing about the Rockies debacle
is that it was on so late that my boy didn't get to
see the lame, lame performances by Peralta.

Swept by the worst team in the NL....

And why DFA a catcher who played in zero games?
Why even bring him up ? Then, trade for a AAA catcher
hitting .193 ??? Well, .193 probably looks good to the
Boy Wonder now.

Trade CC now. The Cubs, Yankees, and Dodgers all
are in contention, are big money teams, and have starting
pitching issues. Just make sure that Peralta and Marte
go along for the ride. They look as bored playing baseball
as a kid in church for the second hour on Sunday...

This season went south fast, and hasn't changed direction.
All excuses about injuries are BS, as the team stunk before
they began.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:46:33 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveoneill@alltel.net>
wrote:

>Can anyone name a worse starting SS in
>MLB than Jhonny Peralta?
>
>The only good thing about the Rockies debacle
>is that it was on so late that my boy didn't get to
>see the lame, lame performances by Peralta.
>
>Swept by the worst team in the NL....
>
>And why DFA a catcher who played in zero games?
>Why even bring him up ? Then, trade for a AAA catcher
>hitting .193 ???

what do you do if shoppach gets hurt?

that AAA catcher has ten years of MLB experience, supposed to be good
at handling a pitching staff and getting the ball to 2B - which are
the primaryt critereion for a catcher, what's the point of having a
catcher hits hits .270 plus if it means an extra run every game?

we've been spoiled by having players who can hit at positions which
traditionally have been "defense first" positions up the middle.

>Well, .193 probably looks good to the Boy Wonder now.



>Trade CC now. The Cubs, Yankees, and Dodgers all
>are in contention, are big money teams, and have starting
>pitching issues. Just make sure that Peralta and Marte
>go along for the ride. They look as bored playing baseball
>as a kid in church for the second hour on Sunday...
>
>This season went south fast, and hasn't changed direction.
>All excuses about injuries are BS, as the team stunk before
>they began.
>


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"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>And why DFA a catcher who played in zero games?
>>Why even bring him up ? Then, trade for a AAA catcher
>>hitting .193 ???
>
> what do you do if shoppach gets hurt?
>
> that AAA catcher has ten years of MLB experience, supposed to be good
> at handling a pitching staff and getting the ball to 2B - which are
> the primaryt critereion for a catcher, what's the point of having a
> catcher hits hits .270 plus if it means an extra run every game?
>
> we've been spoiled by having players who can hit at positions which
> traditionally have been "defense first" positions up the middle.
>
>>Well, .193 probably looks good to the Boy Wonder now.
>

My point was, the catcher that they'd brought up had zero
opportunities to play. The Tribe DFA's him, then trades
someone to be named for a .193 BA catcher who has not
been able to make it with 5 or 6 other teams.

Christ, Garko could be the #3 catcher.
None of Shapiro's moves have made sense.
I bet that keeping Lee was dumb luck.

How is Gomez doing compared to Jamey Carrol ?

Come on....

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:53:31 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveoneill@alltel.net>
wrote:

>
>"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:frtq549nm43t4d3lflpl2o6ojq91b0q6m3@4ax.com...
>
>>>And why DFA a catcher who played in zero games?
>>>Why even bring him up ? Then, trade for a AAA catcher
>>>hitting .193 ???
>>
>> what do you do if shoppach gets hurt?
>>
>> that AAA catcher has ten years of MLB experience, supposed to be good
>> at handling a pitching staff and getting the ball to 2B - which are
>> the primaryt critereion for a catcher, what's the point of having a
>> catcher hits hits .270 plus if it means an extra run every game?
>>
>> we've been spoiled by having players who can hit at positions which
>> traditionally have been "defense first" positions up the middle.
>>
>>>Well, .193 probably looks good to the Boy Wonder now.
>>
>
>My point was, the catcher that they'd brought up had zero
>opportunities to play.

he was insurance. you get insurance but you hope you never have to use
it.

>The Tribe DFA's him, then trades
>someone to be named for a .193 BA catcher who has not
>been able to make it with 5 or 6 other teams.

on the contrary, the fact that he's made the roster of 5-6 teams says
to me that he's got *some* level of talent. and again, for catchers,
what teams look for usually aren't measureable in numbers the casual
(or even informed) fan can appreciate.

he caught CC on an ungodly hot day out here. CC had wicked stuff, but
fasano called a good game. the ability to do so usually are reasons 1
2 AND 3 why you want a guy as a catcher.

>Christ, Garko could be the #3 catcher.

you really don't get the importance of being able to manage a staff,
do you? if martinez didn't have the respect of the staff and call a
good game, they would have moved him to 1B long ago.

>None of Shapiro's moves have made sense.
>I bet that keeping Lee was dumb luck.

unfortunately, steve, you can't have it both ways.

>How is Gomez doing compared to Jamey Carrol ?
>
>Come on....

if gomez' performance with the pirates ISN'T a fluke, how do you
account for jason michaels hitting .300 with something like # HRs and
20 RBIs since joining the same pirates team? again, you can't have it
both ways. give gomez 400+ ABs, and he won't hit better than .260,
whereas carroll hit .300 as a starter in colorado.

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"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> he was insurance. you get insurance but you hope you never have to use
> it.
>
Sooo, nowhere in the organization do they have a #3 catcher,
they bring up a body, DFA him, then trade for a .193 hitter.
What's to say the guy they DFA'd couldn't have done an equal job,
w/out making a trade, and losing someone for basically nothing?

> on the contrary, the fact that he's made the roster of 5-6 teams says
> to me that he's got *some* level of talent. and again, for catchers,
> what teams look for usually aren't measureable in numbers the casual
> (or even informed) fan can appreciate.
>
I understand that. Look at Pat Corralles (sp.) for the Reds forever.
My point is why move for this guy, and DFA someone
good enough to be the "Emergency" catcher.

>>Christ, Garko could be the #3 catcher.
>
> you really don't get the importance of being able to manage a staff,
> do you? if martinez didn't have the respect of the staff and call a
> good game, they would have moved him to 1B long ago.
>
Yes I do.
I don't think Shapiro and Wedge know what to do with the roster, again.
Why DFA the #3 catcher in the organization?
If he's so bad, why is he the #3 option in mid-June?

>>None of Shapiro's moves have made sense.
>>I bet that keeping Lee was dumb luck.
>
> unfortunately, steve, you can't have it both ways.
>
Don't want it both ways. Carrol and Kabayashi were
the only moves he made in the off season.
I'll grant that not moving Lee has been the best non-move
I can remember in years.

>>How is Gomez doing compared to Jamey Carrol ?
>
> if gomez' performance with the pirates ISN'T a fluke, how do you
> account for jason michaels hitting .300 with something like # HRs and
> 20 RBIs since joining the same pirates team? again, you can't have it
> both ways. give gomez 400+ ABs, and he won't hit better than .260,
> whereas carroll hit .300 as a starter in colorado.

This only bears up my point that the current regime can turn
gold into lead. Seriously, Gomez is an upgrade over Carrol.
As much as I'd like to see Marte and Peralta dealt, I'd be willing
to bet that they bloom elsewhere after getting away from Wedge et al....

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:19:15 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveoneill@alltel.net>
wrote:

>
>"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:ehf0645hrdtq4l7avkib1gcr102edc2jda@4ax.com...
>
>> he was insurance. you get insurance but you hope you never have to use
>> it.
>>
>Sooo, nowhere in the organization do they have a #3 catcher,
>they bring up a body, DFA him, then trade for a .193 hitter.
>What's to say the guy they DFA'd couldn't have done an equal job,
>w/out making a trade, and losing someone for basically nothing?
>
>> on the contrary, the fact that he's made the roster of 5-6 teams says
>> to me that he's got *some* level of talent. and again, for catchers,
>> what teams look for usually aren't measureable in numbers the casual
>> (or even informed) fan can appreciate.
>>
>I understand that. Look at Pat Corralles (sp.) for the Reds forever.
>My point is why move for this guy, and DFA someone
>good enough to be the "Emergency" catcher.
>
>>>Christ, Garko could be the #3 catcher.
>>
>> you really don't get the importance of being able to manage a staff,
>> do you? if martinez didn't have the respect of the staff and call a
>> good game, they would have moved him to 1B long ago.
>>
>Yes I do.
>I don't think Shapiro and Wedge know what to do with the roster, again.
>Why DFA the #3 catcher in the organization?
>If he's so bad, why is he the #3 option in mid-June?
>
>>>None of Shapiro's moves have made sense.
>>>I bet that keeping Lee was dumb luck.
>>
>> unfortunately, steve, you can't have it both ways.
>>
>Don't want it both ways. Carrol and Kabayashi were
>the only moves he made in the off season.
>I'll grant that not moving Lee has been the best non-move
>I can remember in years.
>
>>>How is Gomez doing compared to Jamey Carrol ?
>>
>> if gomez' performance with the pirates ISN'T a fluke, how do you
>> account for jason michaels hitting .300 with something like # HRs and
>> 20 RBIs since joining the same pirates team? again, you can't have it
>> both ways. give gomez 400+ ABs, and he won't hit better than .260,
>> whereas carroll hit .300 as a starter in colorado.
>
>This only bears up my point that the current regime can turn
>gold into lead. Seriously, Gomez is an upgrade over Carrol.

i don't see that. gomez is a capable backup infielder. but if you play
him 4-5 days in a row he wears out.

>As much as I'd like to see Marte and Peralta dealt, I'd be willing
>to bet that they bloom elsewhere after getting away from Wedge et al....

given michael's rejuvenation i'd wouldn't take that bet. i'm not sure
that it's wedge but something does need to be done. the problem is
that if it's *not* wedge and we let him go, there's no guarantee that
the replacement will be any more effective.

it's different sport, buthe story is tha flip saunders got released
by the pistons because the team had tuned him out. i don't think
that's the case here. until other facts come to light that indicate
otherwise, i think that the biggest factors are:

- the loss of nixon and lofton as clubhouse influences;
- possible complacency - having bought into shapiro's "we were one
game away from the world series, we're young and we're going to get
better" - but not doing the work in the off season to be ready for
2008;

but who knows for sure?


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