I'm wondering about who they will trade to try to make things right. There
is something fishy going on between the team. they seem passive and
probably want to be traded off.

On Jun 1, 10:39 pm, "Doug" <fab...@toast.net> wrote:
> I'm wondering about who they will trade to try to make things right. There
> is something fishy going on between the team. they seem passive and
> probably want to be traded off.

Let's start with Sabathia, Hafner, Peralta, and Byrd! A team that
can't play .500 ball doesn't need veterans for a title run. Hafner
still has some trade value and most contending teams would take Byrd.
Actually Shapiro has to listen to ALL trade offers.

"wolfagain" <wolf@provide.net> wrote in message
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> On Jun 1, 10:39 pm, "Doug" <fab...@toast.net> wrote:
>> I'm wondering about who they will trade to try to make things right.
>> There
>> is something fishy going on between the team. they seem passive and
>> probably want to be traded off.
>
> Let's start with Sabathia, Hafner, Peralta, and Byrd! A team that
> can't play .500 ball doesn't need veterans for a title run. Hafner
> still has some trade value and most contending teams would take Byrd.
> Actually Shapiro has to listen to ALL trade offers.

No one will want Byrd and his 4.66 ERA..
No one will want Hafner and his idiot contract.
No one will want Peralta, his .234 BA, or his awful defense.

Unless Shapiro gets real lucky, CC will bring nothing for the 2008 team.
It would have to be an NL team in tight contention. That's possible,
and the Tribe's best hope for help in 2008.

Sabathia will appeal to a handful of teams as 31 July approaches.
But the Tribe probably won't get much in return for him.
They'll need big money teams in tight races, who have numerous
AAA or AA players ready to produce. I bet he walks, like so many others.

The Tribe will have to trade Laffey, Sowers, Perez, Miller, e.g.,
if they think a trade could somehow salvage this year. I think that the
depth
of the problems with this 2008 team are beyond being helped by a trade.
The offense has no strong points. None. There appears to be no help in AAA
for it either. Barfield to rescue the season ? Right.... This team needs to
right
itself. Blake, Peralta, Cabrera, Gutierrez and Garko need to produce
starting now.
Sizemore too needs to get better. Too many Ks, and his BA is less than .260.
Forget Hafner. He can't play dead in a Cowboy movie.

The original poster is dead on with his comment wrt the team seeming
passive.
I've never seen a team more content to go through the motions, allow other
teams
to hit their batters, and simply sleepwalk through a season. Wedge is too
lazy to
shave. He's the poster child for this team of sleepwalking no account
zombies.

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:45:47 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveoneill@alltel.net>
wrote:

>
>"wolfagain" <wolf@provide.net> wrote in message
>news:d8e5efa1-badc-4ddd-ba2d-16b0acc7f442@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 1, 10:39 pm, "Doug" <fab...@toast.net> wrote:
>>> I'm wondering about who they will trade to try to make things right.
>>> There
>>> is something fishy going on between the team. they seem passive and
>>> probably want to be traded off.
>>
>> Let's start with Sabathia, Hafner, Peralta, and Byrd! A team that
>> can't play .500 ball doesn't need veterans for a title run. Hafner
>> still has some trade value and most contending teams would take Byrd.
>> Actually Shapiro has to listen to ALL trade offers.
>
>No one will want Byrd and his 4.66 ERA..
>No one will want Hafner and his idiot contract.
>No one will want Peralta, his .234 BA, or his awful defense.
>
>Unless Shapiro gets real lucky, CC will bring nothing for the 2008 team.
>It would have to be an NL team in tight contention. That's possible,
>and the Tribe's best hope for help in 2008.
>
>Sabathia will appeal to a handful of teams as 31 July approaches.
>But the Tribe probably won't get much in return for him.
>They'll need big money teams in tight races, who have numerous
>AAA or AA players ready to produce. I bet he walks, like so many others.
>
>The Tribe will have to trade Laffey, Sowers, Perez, Miller, e.g.,
>if they think a trade could somehow salvage this year. I think that the
>depth
>of the problems with this 2008 team are beyond being helped by a trade.
>The offense has no strong points. None. There appears to be no help in AAA
>for it either. Barfield to rescue the season ? Right.... This team needs to
>right
>itself. Blake, Peralta, Cabrera, Gutierrez and Garko need to produce
>starting now.
>Sizemore too needs to get better. Too many Ks, and his BA is less than .260.
>Forget Hafner. He can't play dead in a Cowboy movie.
>
>The original poster is dead on with his comment wrt the team seeming
>passive.
>I've never seen a team more content to go through the motions, allow other
>teams
>to hit their batters, and simply sleepwalk through a season. Wedge is too
>lazy to
>shave. He's the poster child for this team of sleepwalking no account
>zombies.
>

my only question is whether the indians apparent demeanor would be the
same if they were 6 games over .500 and a game ahead of the CWS. the
point is that wedge's approach has always been to stay on an even
keel, so i would expect a relatively calm external demeanor from the
team.

whether that really reflects the team internally, i am in no position
to hazard a guess. but wedge really doesn't have much choice but to
hope that the team plays itself out of its hitting slump.

the one thing that stands out to me is the relative youth of our core
players despite the number of years they may have in the majors.
that's good in a lot of ways, but i personally would feel better if we
had a winfield type vet on our roster. our older players have
basically survived a long route to the majors to become role players.
i thnk there's an intangible value to having a guy on the roster who's
actually been there & gotten the T-shirt, etc. unfortunately, i can't
really think of anybody that the indians would have a legit chance of
acquiring.

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"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> my only question is whether the indians apparent demeanor would be the
> same if they were 6 games over .500 and a game ahead of the CWS. the
> point is that wedge's approach has always been to stay on an even
> keel, so i would expect a relatively calm external demeanor from the
> team.
>
Wedge hasn't changed, true.
It might also mean that he can't/won't/hasn't adapted.

Calm, yes...Lethargic, no.
The team is lethargic.

> whether that really reflects the team internally, i am in no position
> to hazard a guess. but wedge really doesn't have much choice but to
> hope that the team plays itself out of its hitting slump.
>
True. I don't think trades or AAA are an option for 2008.
The awful hitting has been quite a surprise to me.
It's throughout the entire team.

> the one thing that stands out to me is the relative youth of our core
> players despite the number of years they may have in the majors.
> that's good in a lot of ways, but i personally would feel better if we
> had a winfield type vet on our roster. our older players have
> basically survived a long route to the majors to become role players.
> i thnk there's an intangible value to having a guy on the roster who's
> actually been there & gotten the T-shirt, etc. unfortunately, i can't
> really think of anybody that the indians would have a legit chance of
> acquiring.
>
Makes you wonder about Trot's value last year, doesn't it?
The whole team needs a "Slump Buster".

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:20:12 -0700, barry
<toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:45:47 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveoneill@alltel.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"wolfagain" <wolf@provide.net> wrote in message
>>news:d8e5efa1-badc-4ddd-ba2d-16b0acc7f442@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jun 1, 10:39 pm, "Doug" <fab...@toast.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm wondering about who they will trade to try to make things right.
>>>> There
>>>> is something fishy going on between the team. they seem passive and
>>>> probably want to be traded off.
>>>
>>> Let's start with Sabathia, Hafner, Peralta, and Byrd! A team that
>>> can't play .500 ball doesn't need veterans for a title run. Hafner
>>> still has some trade value and most contending teams would take Byrd.
>>> Actually Shapiro has to listen to ALL trade offers.
>>
>>No one will want Byrd and his 4.66 ERA..
>>No one will want Hafner and his idiot contract.
>>No one will want Peralta, his .234 BA, or his awful defense.
>>
>>Unless Shapiro gets real lucky, CC will bring nothing for the 2008 team.
>>It would have to be an NL team in tight contention. That's possible,
>>and the Tribe's best hope for help in 2008.
>>
>>Sabathia will appeal to a handful of teams as 31 July approaches.
>>But the Tribe probably won't get much in return for him.
>>They'll need big money teams in tight races, who have numerous
>>AAA or AA players ready to produce. I bet he walks, like so many others.
>>
>>The Tribe will have to trade Laffey, Sowers, Perez, Miller, e.g.,
>>if they think a trade could somehow salvage this year. I think that the
>>depth
>>of the problems with this 2008 team are beyond being helped by a trade.
>>The offense has no strong points. None. There appears to be no help in AAA
>>for it either. Barfield to rescue the season ? Right.... This team needs to
>>right
>>itself. Blake, Peralta, Cabrera, Gutierrez and Garko need to produce
>>starting now.
>>Sizemore too needs to get better. Too many Ks, and his BA is less than .260.
>>Forget Hafner. He can't play dead in a Cowboy movie.
>>
>>The original poster is dead on with his comment wrt the team seeming
>>passive.
>>I've never seen a team more content to go through the motions, allow other
>>teams
>>to hit their batters, and simply sleepwalk through a season. Wedge is too
>>lazy to
>>shave. He's the poster child for this team of sleepwalking no account
>>zombies.
>>
>
>my only question is whether the indians apparent demeanor would be the
>same if they were 6 games over .500 and a game ahead of the CWS. the
>point is that wedge's approach has always been to stay on an even
>keel, so i would expect a relatively calm external demeanor from the
>team.
>
>whether that really reflects the team internally, i am in no position
>to hazard a guess. but wedge really doesn't have much choice but to
>hope that the team plays itself out of its hitting slump.
>
>the one thing that stands out to me is the relative youth of our core
>players despite the number of years they may have in the majors.
>that's good in a lot of ways, but i personally would feel better if we
>had a winfield type vet on our roster. our older players have
>basically survived a long route to the majors to become role players.
>i thnk there's an intangible value to having a guy on the roster who's
>actually been there & gotten the T-shirt, etc. unfortunately, i can't
>really think of anybody that the indians would have a legit chance of
>acquiring.

it's too bad tro nixon didn't work out healthwise - but his presence
in the clubhouse last season was tangible - and he kept the players
loose by adopting the clubhouse clown role. maybe thats part of it -
nobody expected last season's team to make it to a game 7 of the AL
chamionship series that was a lot more exciting than the WS. this
season, there are some serious expectations.

it could be worse, we could have mortgaged an entire future like the
tigers.. that'd make a nice vegas bet, in september, what'll be
higher, the price of gas, or the tigers' starters' ERA? and they're
still barely averaging 6 innings a start.

we need borowski back - ugly or not, he saves games.



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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:46:18 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveoneill@alltel.net>
wrote:

>
>"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:trg844hsdtrm3arsbvisgjt08tl77h796o@4ax.com...
>>
>> my only question is whether the indians apparent demeanor would be the
>> same if they were 6 games over .500 and a game ahead of the CWS. the
>> point is that wedge's approach has always been to stay on an even
>> keel, so i would expect a relatively calm external demeanor from the
>> team.
>>
>Wedge hasn't changed, true.
>It might also mean that he can't/won't/hasn't adapted.
>
>Calm, yes...Lethargic, no.
>The team is lethargic.
>
>> whether that really reflects the team internally, i am in no position
>> to hazard a guess. but wedge really doesn't have much choice but to
>> hope that the team plays itself out of its hitting slump.
>>
>True. I don't think trades or AAA are an option for 2008.
>The awful hitting has been quite a surprise to me.
>It's throughout the entire team.
>
>> the one thing that stands out to me is the relative youth of our core
>> players despite the number of years they may have in the majors.
>> that's good in a lot of ways, but i personally would feel better if we
>> had a winfield type vet on our roster. our older players have
>> basically survived a long route to the majors to become role players.
>> i thnk there's an intangible value to having a guy on the roster who's
>> actually been there & gotten the T-shirt, etc. unfortunately, i can't
>> really think of anybody that the indians would have a legit chance of
>> acquiring.
>>
>Makes you wonder about Trot's value last year, doesn't it?
>The whole team needs a "Slump Buster".

in general, i don't have much use for ocker at the ABJ, but he made
the following comment in:

http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/19625719.html

"Some players can take on the role of class clown or otherwise become
masters of keeping the clubhouse loose. Those kinds of players are not
apparent in the Indians' locker room."

martinez is clearly the elder statesman for the latin american
players, but i think he's more a family man type, which definitely has
value, but trot nixon's value to the 2007 indians was apparently
underrated.IIRC, he started the pie-in-the-face ritual that the whole
team bought into. also, trot nixon *didn't* have that kind of rep with
the red sox - but he was astute enough to see that the indians needed
somebody to assume the role of team jester.

too bad nixon is still recuperating in the diamondbacks' system.





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