So says the Freep. Good luck, Mike! -- Joe

On Jun 9, 5:09 pm, "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu"
<jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
> So says the Freep. Good luck, Mike! -- Joe

I dunno about this one...Is this a sign that Dumars is looking at the
up coming season as a re-tooling type of season? Even though he has
said that he wants to stay in title contention and doesn't believe in
scrapping a team...

Maybe I'm just doubting Curry's abilities but you can't blame me...
Maybe the team will respect him more? I would rather had Porter or
maybe even Cowens. I hope this works out.

"pH 4C1D" <pH_4C1D@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:c61daf74-9bf5-4313-93d0-25270c327cff@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 5:09 pm, "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu"
> <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>> So says the Freep. Good luck, Mike! -- Joe
>
> I dunno about this one...Is this a sign that Dumars is looking at the
> up coming season as a re-tooling type of season? Even though he has
> said that he wants to stay in title contention and doesn't believe in
> scrapping a team...
>
> Maybe I'm just doubting Curry's abilities but you can't blame me...
> Maybe the team will respect him more? I would rather had Porter or
> maybe even Cowens. I hope this works out.

Some re-tooling is almost manditory, I think. A little tinkerning and still
staying in contention is not out of the realm of possibilities.

As for Mr. Curry. I get the feeling he is the coach you hire to fire when
the guy you really want is available. Just a feeling.

the rick

First, Bill Laimbeer should feel insulted. He has proven himself a
winner at every level including coaching. The job should have been
offered him first! Fans know it, why doesn't Joe?

Second, Michael Curry is a part of this losing season already! He has
no credentials to coach. Had little respect from the teamates that he
won the championship with in 04 and now is being asked to lead
them....NO!

Face it, Dumars signing Curry for three seasons is another commitment to
not winning a title for the same length of time.
I told you you wouldn't win with Flip and this is the same thing being
that Curry can't enter in any new blood!

This is a seasoned team! You don't administer a rookie coach with them.
The window on this team is beginning to close it requires a winning
coach, a man of discipline and strong personality. Collins or Laimbeer
are the only two options available that fit the bill.

http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

> First, Bill Laimbeer should feel insulted. He has proven himself a
> winner at every level including coaching. The job should have been
> offered him first! Fans know it, why doesn't Joe?
>
> Second, Michael Curry is a part of this losing season already! He has
> no credentials to coach. Had little respect from the teamates that he
> won the championship with in 04 and now is being asked to lead
> them....NO!
>
> Face it, Dumars signing Curry for three seasons is another commitment to
> not winning a title for the same length of time.
> I told you you wouldn't win with Flip and this is the same thing being
> that Curry can't enter in any new blood!
>
> This is a seasoned team! You don't administer a rookie coach with them.
> The window on this team is beginning to close it requires a winning
> coach, a man of discipline and strong personality. Collins or Laimbeer
> are the only two options available that fit the bill.
>
> http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

Laimbeer would also be a rookie coach. WNBA experience doesn't count.

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:05:27 -0400, "wyzbang" <wyzbang@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"pH 4C1D" <pH_4C1D@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:c61daf74-9bf5-4313-93d0-25270c327cff@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 9, 5:09 pm, "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu"
>> <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>> So says the Freep. Good luck, Mike! -- Joe
>>
>> I dunno about this one...Is this a sign that Dumars is looking at the
>> up coming season as a re-tooling type of season? Even though he has
>> said that he wants to stay in title contention and doesn't believe in
>> scrapping a team...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just doubting Curry's abilities but you can't blame me...
>> Maybe the team will respect him more? I would rather had Porter or
>> maybe even Cowens. I hope this works out.
>
>Some re-tooling is almost manditory, I think. A little tinkerning and still
>staying in contention is not out of the realm of possibilities.
>
>As for Mr. Curry. I get the feeling he is the coach you hire to fire when
>the guy you really want is available. Just a feeling.
>
>the rick
>

It just continues the trend in the NBA of the young assistants getting
their chance. Vinney Del Negro in Chicago and now Michael Currey. You
could probably put Terry Porter on the list even though he did have a
couple of years of head coaching with the Bucks. Avery Johnson is/was
another example. I think it is a good trend and I think Currey is a
good choice for the Pistons. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be
another Alvin Gentry.

Regards,
////
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I'll bet he was glad to get rid of it."
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:12:05 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
Darling) wrote:

>First, Bill Laimbeer should feel insulted. He has proven himself a
>winner at every level including coaching. The job should have been
>offered him first! Fans know it, why doesn't Joe?
>

Because Joe is most certainly smarter than you and most of the fans.
I've not heard Laimbeer campaign for the job. Don't you think if he
wanted to be the Pistons' head coach, he might actually seek it out
when it became available?

>Second, Michael Curry is a part of this losing season already! He has
>no credentials to coach. Had little respect from the teamates that he
>won the championship with in 04 and now is being asked to lead
>them....NO!
>

And you don't have our respect nor do you have any credentials. Many
of the best head NBA coaches started as assistants and many have done
very well in there first year. Give Michael Curry a chance before you
throw him under the bus.

>Face it, Dumars signing Curry for three seasons is another commitment to
>not winning a title for the same length of time.
>I told you you wouldn't win with Flip and this is the same thing being
>that Curry can't enter in any new blood!
>
>This is a seasoned team! You don't administer a rookie coach with them.
>The window on this team is beginning to close it requires a winning
>coach, a man of discipline and strong personality. Collins or Laimbeer
>are the only two options available that fit the bill.
>

Based on what?

> http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:20:45 -0400, SkippyPB
<swiegand@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:12:05 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
>Darling) wrote:
>
>>First, Bill Laimbeer should feel insulted. He has proven himself a
>>winner at every level including coaching. The job should have been
>>offered him first! Fans know it, why doesn't Joe?
>>
>
>Because Joe is most certainly smarter than you and most of the fans.
>I've not heard Laimbeer campaign for the job. Don't you think if he
>wanted to be the Pistons' head coach, he might actually seek it out
>when it became available?
>
>>Second, Michael Curry is a part of this losing season already! He has
>>no credentials to coach. Had little respect from the teamates that he
>>won the championship with in 04 and now is being asked to lead
>>them....NO!
>>

"Though he never averaged more than 6.6 points per game in a season,
Curry was well respected throughout the league for his strong defense
and leadership qualities"and for several years he served as president
of the NBA Players Association."

"Anita Darling" <AnitaCotillier@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10242-484E1B35-128@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net...
> First, Bill Laimbeer should feel insulted. He has proven himself a
> winner at every level including coaching. The job should have been
> offered him first! Fans know it, why doesn't Joe?


Somebody else mentioned this...not in the NBA. I'm surprised you missed
this one. If Curry had coached in the WNBA and Laimbeer had no coaching
you'd no doubt be bitching about Curry's lack of NBA experience. You wanted
anybody but Flip, now quit bitching. You got what you wanted.


> Face it, Dumars signing Curry for three seasons is another commitment to
> not winning a title for the same length of time.
> I told you you wouldn't win with Flip and this is the same thing being
> that Curry can't enter in any new blood!


The same thing can be said for 29 other head coaches. Nice BOLD prediction.


> This is a seasoned team! You don't administer a rookie coach with them.
> The window on this team is beginning to close it requires a winning
> coach, a man of discipline and strong personality. Collins or Laimbeer
> are the only two options available that fit the bill.


If Curry has no experience, then how do you know he isn't a man of
discipline and have a strong personality. Most of us know him as a player,
but nobody knows him as a coach.

Anita Darling wrote:
> First, Bill Laimbeer should feel insulted.
> He has proven himself a
> winner at every level including coaching.

NBA coach is not in his resume...

>The job should have been
> offered him first!

How do you know he was not?
Maybe he prefered his current job...short season better view...players that
do not argue and he would not be tempted to hit... ;-)


--
Laurel T
"I thought Bill Laimbeer was the whiniest, most
despicable, most disgusting guy in the game.
On the other hand, I always
respected him as a player." Barkley



Fans know it, why doesn't Joe?
>
> Second, Michael Curry is a part of this losing season already! He has
> no credentials to coach. Had little respect from the teamates that he
> won the championship with in 04 and now is being asked to lead
> them....NO!
>
> Face it, Dumars signing Curry for three seasons is another commitment
> to not winning a title for the same length of time.
> This is a seasoned team! You don't administer a rookie coach with
> them.

It was a seasoned team...they are making trades...only you think that is to
get iverson and get older....Yeah it is called rebuilding....and the perfect
time to groom a rookie head coach.

>The window on this team is beginning to close

bang


--
Laurel T
"I knew it was time to retire when I was driving
down the lane and got called for a three-second violation."
Johnny Kerr

You all had your shot with Flip Saunders who I demanded be fired even
before he was hired.
Look at the outcome? A wasted three seasons!!! Three championship
seasons!!!
There is no team you can name in the East the last three years that was
truly capable of defeating the Pistons in a seven game series.
We wasted three years with this guy and perhaps a window of time of
which could have enjoyed great success. Let's not do the same shit
again. Laimbeer has proven himself a winner at each level of the game
and in life in general.

Doug Collins was cheated out of multiple championships with the Bulls
after shaping and mending that team to get ready for greatness.
That shits not right!

http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

"Anita Darling" <AnitaCotillier@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:17858-4852FECC-279@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
: You all had your shot with Flip Saunders who I demanded be fired even
: before he was hired.


I demand Curry be FIRED - today, here and now.
This guy has not proven to us a damn thing.
Fire him already !!!

Get Webber to coach this team.

We will never win a game the way he uses the bench.

You're Fired !

:-)

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:49:55 -0400, <NHL> wrote:

>
>"Anita Darling" <AnitaCotillier@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:17858-4852FECC-279@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
>: You all had your shot with Flip Saunders who I demanded be fired even
>: before he was hired.
>
>
>I demand Curry be FIRED - today, here and now.
>This guy has not proven to us a damn thing.
>Fire him already !!!
>
>Get Webber to coach this team.
>
>We will never win a game the way he uses the bench.
>
>You're Fired !
>
>:-)
>

I wonder how the Pistons could possibly fire Flip BEFORE they hired
him? Webbie needs to increase his meds......

IT meant that Flip never should have been hired.

Think a minute!

The Pistons has recently won a championship when Sauders came in. Had
been back to the NBA finals as well. Now here comes a coach who's never
been in contention. How can lead or take a team somewhere that he
himself had never been. Pistons had a DUTY to hire some coach who at
least had won a championship and could then look team members eye to eye
and hold their respect.

What did Flip first do? In error he instructed the Pistons to go with a
primary zone defense.
That's wrong, being that it was tough man to man defense that got them
the victory over LA and the title!!! He doomed himself the first time
he opened his mouth and tried to focus on offense only.

Now what about Curry? Again, no credentials and no reason to respect
him. At best he'll give us exactly what his career was about,
medeocrity! Then he'll be fired again when he neither should have ever
been hired. The choices were clear and simple ones. Laimbeer who's
proven to be a winner. OR Doug Collins who lined up two teams prior to
greatness and then robbed of the chance to deliver them and hold the
titles himself.

http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:31:05 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
Darling) wrote:

>IT meant that Flip never should have been hired.


But you said;

"You all had your shot with Flip Saunders who I demanded be fired even
before he was hired."

And that just makes NO sense. How do you fire a coach before he's even
hired?

Anita Darling wrote:
> IT meant that Flip never should have been hired.
>
> Think a minute!
>
> The Pistons has recently won a championship when Sauders came in. Had
> been back to the NBA finals as well.

Which they lost with Brown's leaving the team for 'health' reasons a couple
of times and his players knowing he was shopping for other jobs (illegally
while under contract).

Now here comes a coach who's
> never been in contention. How can lead or take a team somewhere that
> he himself had never been.

Yep... no coach has ever won their first championship... Phil Jackson will
obviously beat Doc Rivers this season.

Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
out' and Dumars hired Flip.... Does one in 1979 but mostly lottery teams
since then work for you?

Question #2 Name one available that had more experience and championships
than Riley, because that is who beat Flip, and according to you, was
supposed to win the next year too.

>Pistons had a DUTY to hire some coach who
> at least had won a championship and could then look team members eye
> to eye and hold their respect.

You could see that right off the bat ...so disrespectful they started 37-5,
second-best first half in NBA history, and set a franchise record for wins
and road wins, and had 4 starters go to the all-star game. You said none of
them would 'play' for flip....

Question #3
Tell me... since that is what it takes.... how any coach available was
supposed to get the pistons with no superstar past Miami with Riles
championship coaching and your guy shaq when you declared no one could do
so, not only the year Miami won but the next year going into the
championships too IIRC. That 4 time champion coach that lost in the first
round coming off a championship with the same core team.

Actually answer those questions directly instead of one of your rants
please.


--
Laurel T
"Quite honestly we have had players on our teams before
that make Bonzi Wells look like Mary Poppins."
Hubie Brown

On Jun 15, 8:50 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Anita Darling wrote:
> > IT meant that Flip never should have been hired.
>
> > Think a minute!
>
> > The Pistons has recently won a championship when Sauders came in. Had
> > been back to the NBA finals as well.
>
> Which they lost with Brown's leaving the team for 'health' reasons a couple
> of times and his players knowing he was shopping for other jobs (illegally
> while under contract).
>
> Now here comes a coach who's
>
> > never been in contention. How can lead or take a team somewhere that
> > he himself had never been.
>
> Yep... no coach has ever won their first championship... Phil Jackson will
> obviously beat Doc Rivers this season.
>
> Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
> fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
> out' and Dumars hired Flip.... Does one in 1979 but mostly lottery teams
> since then work for you?
>
> Question #2 Name one available that had more experience and championships
> than Riley, because that is who beat Flip, and according to you, was
> supposed to win the next year too.
>
> >Pistons had a DUTY to hire some coach who
> > at least had won a championship and could then look team members eye
> > to eye and hold their respect.
>
> You could see that right off the bat ...so disrespectful they started 37-5,
> second-best first half in NBA history, and set a franchise record for wins
> and road wins, and had 4 starters go to the all-star game. You said none of
> them would 'play' for flip....
>
> Question #3
> Tell me... since that is what it takes.... how any coach available was
> supposed to get the pistons with no superstar past Miami with Riles
> championship coaching and your guy shaq when you declared no one could do
> so, not only the year Miami won but the next year going into the
> championships too IIRC. That 4 time champion coach that lost in the first
> round coming off a championship with the same core team.
>
> Actually answer those questions directly instead of one of your rants
> please.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "Quite honestly we have had players on our teams before
> that make Bonzi Wells look like Mary Poppins."
> Hubie Brown

I wonder if he is really going to answer or will he just ignore like
em' he normally does when someone pulls his card.

Did I give you too much credit?

You completely missed the point!

The point was not that a coach without a ring could win over one who
has...

The point is that no coach should enter a situation where a team has
recently won a title when he himself has never done so.

http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

On Jun 16, 12:10 pm, AnitaCotill...@webtv.net (Anita Darling) wrote:
> Did I give you too much credit?
>
> You completely missed the point!
>
> The point was not that a coach without a ring could win over one who
> has...
>
> The point is that no coach should enter a situation where a team has
> recently won a title when he himself has never done so.
>
> http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

Wasn't that Pat Riley's situation when he first got to LA?

Anita Darling wrote:
> Did I give you too much credit?
>
> You completely missed the point!
>
> The point is that no coach should enter a situation where a team has
> recently won a title when he himself has never done so.

I addressed your 'disrespect' point. ...so disrespectful they started 37-5,
second-best first half in NBA history, and set a franchise record for wins
and road wins, and had 4 starters go to the all-star game.

Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
out' and Dumars hired Flip.... Does one in 1979 but mostly lottery teams
since then work for you?

You claim Dumars should not have hired Flip or any other coach that did not
have at least one championship.
It is a simple question. Name who should have been hired that was available
that had a championship.

Here I will help you and make the questions multible choice....

First who was NOT available in summer 2005:
Riles and Pop were not available in a lot more ways than under contract.
Phil Jackson had already re-signed and returned to the lakers while the
Pistons were still playing, two months before Brown forced the buy-out
claiming health reasons.

That leaves you 2 choices.... and then only if both would change their minds
about retiring.

A: Rudy Tomjanovich had 2 rings a decade before then the next 8 years made
the conference finals once and the lottery 4 times.
Current resume... 'lasted half a season' with the recent champion lakers and
had a melt down and quit... claimed 'health reasons'.

B: 69 year old Lenny Wilkins whose last trip to the finals was 1979 Sonics,
only other even 'division' first place finish in 25 years and last trip to a
CF was 1992 Cavs.
Current resume... lost 1st round 2002 , worst team in league with 24 wins
2003 and fired... hired mid season knicks swept first round 2004 and fired
after 39 games 17-22 in 2005.

So which available championship winning coach would you have hired? A or B?

Question #2 Name one available that had more experience and championships
than Riley, because that is who beat Flip, and according to you, Riley was
unbeatable anyway...but since it was Flip's fault and they would have done
better if the coach had a ring....

Who would have got them past Miami, Rudy or Lenny?


--
Laurel T
A coach after being informed, that like
players, their drug tests would include
banned performance enhancing drugs:
"Does that include Viagra?"

Obviously not on the same page.

The introduction of Saunders is proven a bust.

I was right in that he shouldn't have been hired.

Was right when I said he should have been fired after the first season.

Was right when I said we'd never win a title with him at the helm.

Was right when I said Joe's only posponing the inevitable.

Was right when I said Flip was going to be fired this season.

I don't see where you have any leverage to offer conflict truly on the
matter at hand.
Saunders was a complete failure here.

http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

pH 4C1D wrote:
> On Jun 16, 12:10 pm, AnitaCotill...@webtv.net (Anita Darling) wrote:
>> Did I give you too much credit?
>>
>> You completely missed the point!
>>
>> The point was not that a coach without a ring could win over one who
>> has...
>>
>> The point is that no coach should enter a situation where a team has
>> recently won a title when he himself has never done so.
>>
>> http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling
>
> Wasn't that Pat Riley's situation when he first got to LA?

Worse, they were 11 games into the season when Westhead was fired.


--
Laurel T
A coach after being informed, that like
players, their drug tests would include
banned performance enhancing drugs:
"Does that include Viagra?"

Anita Darling wrote:
> Obviously not on the same page.
>
> The introduction of Saunders is proven a bust.

3 Trips to the CFs and setting franchise records in the regular season does
not make a bust...nor does a 3 year stay.
The window was shutting on the aging players as much as the coach.

>
> I was right in that he shouldn't have been hired.

You are not right unless there was someone better available and Dumars
passed them up.
Yet you set criteria and refuse to answer who fits it...because no one does.

Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
out' and Dumars hired Flip....

First who was NOT available in summer 2005:
Riles and Pop were not available in a lot more ways than under contract.
Phil Jackson had already re-signed and returned to the lakers while the
Pistons were still playing, two months before Brown forced the buy-out
claiming health reasons.

That leaves you 2 choices.... and then only if both would change their minds
about retiring.

A: Rudy Tomjanovich had 2 rings a decade before then the next 8 years made
the conference finals once and the lottery 4 times.
Current resume... 'lasted half a season' with the recent champion lakers and
had a melt down and quit... claimed 'health reasons'.

B: 69 year old Lenny Wilkins whose last trip to the finals was 1979 Sonics,
only other even 'division' first place finish in 25 years and last trip to a
CF was 1992 Cavs.
Current resume... lost 1st round 2002 , worst team in league with 24 wins
2003 and fired... hired mid season knicks swept first round 2004 and fired
after 39 games 17-22 in 2005.

So which available championship winning coach would you have hired? A or B?

>Was right when I said Flip was going to be fired this season.

lol....You were wrong when you said he would not be hired....You were wrong
when you said he was going to be fired at mid seasion the first year, at the
end of the 1st year, by Xmas the 2nd year, by the all-star game...at the end
of the 2nd year...and by the allstar game this year... if this was basketbal
the score would be 2- 16 Dumars...

You can count on one hand the coaches with secure jobs in the league.
Three years is past the average stay for NBA coaches.
And the one most secure has the longest ride and never won a championship
despite having 2 HOF players.

Champion coaches are a rare item since 1990
Riley
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Rudy T
Rudy T
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Pop
Jackson
Jackson
Jackson
Pop
Brown
Pop
Riley
Pop

LT
--
"You can run a lot of plays when your X is
twice as big as the other guys' O.
It makes your X's and O's pretty good."
-Paul Westphal

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:39:22 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
Darling) wrote:

>Obviously not on the same page.
>
>The introduction of Saunders is proven a bust.
>

Going to the EC finals 3 seasons in a row is not a bust. Goals
weren't reached (NBA championship) but that doesn't equal bust.

>I was right in that he shouldn't have been hired.
>

If not Flip, then who?

>Was right when I said he should have been fired after the first season.
>

No you weren't.

>Was right when I said we'd never win a title with him at the helm.
>

Lucky guess.

>Was right when I said Joe's only posponing the inevitable.
>

Another lucky guess.

>Was right when I said Flip was going to be fired this season.
>

Nearly everyone on the planet thought that if Flip didn't go to the
NBA finals this season, he'd be let go. You were just one of many.

>I don't see where you have any leverage to offer conflict truly on the
>matter at hand.
>Saunders was a complete failure here.
>

You are such an idiot. If Flip had a losing season 3 seasons in a
row; if Flip had led a lottery team 3 seasons in a row; if Flip had
led the team to a .500 record for 3 seasons, then you'd be right. He
didn't. You're wrong. You're an idiot.

Regards,

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in your pocket and then give him only two of them."
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LOL you simply don't have a stage to contest from.

Saunders is a bust should you be willing to accept it or not!
Personally LOL I don't care, his ass is out of here! Stevie Wonder
could have at least entered this team into no less than two NBA finals
with that roster considering how weak the East was...

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> LOL you simply don't have a stage to contest from.
>
> Saunders is a bust should you be willing to accept it or not!
> Personally LOL I don't care, his ass is out of here! Stevie Wonder
> could have at least entered this team into no less than two NBA finals
> with that roster considering how weak the East was...

So weak that 2 of the last 3 teams to eliminate Detroit are going to have
won championships. Assuming Boston doesn't choke this one away. The only
unforgivable loss was the Cavs series.

Anita Darling wrote:
> LOL you simply don't have a stage to contest from.

Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
out' and Dumars hired Flip....

First who was NOT available in summer 2005:
Riles and Pop were not available in a lot more ways than under contract.
Phil Jackson had already re-signed and returned to the lakers while the
Pistons were still playing, two months before Brown forced the buy-out
claiming health reasons.

That leaves you 2 choices.... and then only if both would change their minds
about retiring.

A: Rudy Tomjanovich had 2 rings a decade before then the next 8 years made
the conference finals once and the lottery 4 times.
Current resume... 'lasted half a season' with the recent champion lakers and
had a melt down and quit... claimed 'health reasons'.

B: 69 year old Lenny Wilkins whose last trip to the finals was 1979 Sonics,
only other even 'division' first place finish in 25 years and last trip to a
CF was 1992 Cavs.
Current resume... lost 1st round 2002 , worst team in league with 24 wins
2003 and fired... hired mid season knicks swept first round 2004 and fired
after 39 games 17-22 in 2005.

So which available championship winning coach would you have hired? A or B?

Terry Porter could have led this team....

Dave Cowens could have possibly had success....

Doug Collins would have given proper direction.

Certainly Bill Laimbeer could take us to the promise land....

And of course there is Stevie Wonder.

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Anita Darling wrote:
> Terry Porter could have led this team....

He has not even taken a team to the playoffs yet...

>
> Dave Cowens could have possibly had success....

Ditto. Never won anything...does not fit your criteria for a ring.... and
his last team won only 5 games...
Wonder why you like wnba coaches...

>
> Doug Collins would have given proper direction.

Down?

>
> Certainly Bill Laimbeer could take us to the promise land....
>

Nope you said they have to have coached a team to the champoinship. WNBA
does not count.


Youn still have not said whio they should have hired instead of Flip...now
you like his assistants...

Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
out' and Dumars hired Flip.... Does one in 1979 but mostly lottery teams
since then work for you?

You claim Dumars should not have hired Flip or any other coach that did not
have at least one championship.
It is a simple question. Name who should have been hired that was available
that had a championship.

Here I will help you and make the questions multible choice....

First who was NOT available in summer 2005:
Riles and Pop were not available in a lot more ways than under contract.
Phil Jackson had already re-signed and returned to the lakers while the
Pistons were still playing, two months before Brown forced the buy-out
claiming health reasons.

That leaves you 2 choices.... and then only if both would change their minds
about retiring.

A: Rudy Tomjanovich had 2 rings a decade before then the next 8 years made
the conference finals once and the lottery 4 times.
Current resume... 'lasted half a season' with the recent champion lakers and
had a melt down and quit... claimed 'health reasons'.

B: 69 year old Lenny Wilkins whose last trip to the finals was 1979 Sonics,
only other even 'division' first place finish in 25 years and last trip to a
CF was 1992 Cavs.
Current resume... lost 1st round 2002 , worst team in league with 24 wins
2003 and fired... hired mid season knicks swept first round 2004 and fired
after 39 games 17-22 in 2005.

So which available championship winning coach would you have hired? A or B?

Question #2 Name one available that had more experience and championships
than Riley, because that is who beat Flip, and according to you, Riley was
unbeatable anyway...but since it was Flip's fault and they would have done
better if the coach had a ring....

Who would have got them past Miami, Rudy or Lenny?

Get real! WNBA dosen't count?
We're looking for a WINNER, something Bill Laimbeer has done at every
level.
He also fits the needed profile, discipline, overcoming faults, plans
other routes to success, knows x's and o's, doesn't believe in failure
or adhere to the word can't.....Can communicate to players, can look at
Sheed from a position of authority because he holds multiple rings.
etc..

Terry Porter did a fine job coaching the Bucks when they had literally
nothing to utilize that's why I through his name in the hat.

Cowens comes from a winning organization, really can't understand why he
isn't already a head coach somewhere.

Collins had success in Chicago building the Bulls and it's ashame he was
robbed of the opportunity to enjoy those fruits and rings.
Jackson owes him a great debt. Jordan knew!
When Mike joined the Bullets as a player the first person he sought for
a coach was Doug Collins.

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Anita Darling wrote:
> Get real! WNBA dosen't count?

This is the criteria:

(Instead of Flip)
"Pistons had a DUTY to hire some coach who at
least had won a NBA championship and could then look team members eye to eye
and hold their respect." Webbie Darling

So:

Question #1. Name those coaches that had won at least one championship
fitting your requirements that were avalaible at the time Brown said 'buy me
out' and Dumars hired Flip.... Does one in 1979 but mostly lottery teams
since then work for you?

You claim Dumars should not have hired Flip or any other coach that did not
have at least one championship.
It is a simple question. Name who should have been hired that was available
that had a championship.

Here I will help you and make the questions multible choice....

First who was NOT available in summer 2005:
Riles and Pop were not available in a lot more ways than under contract.
Phil Jackson had already re-signed and returned to the lakers while the
Pistons were still playing, two months before Brown forced the buy-out
claiming health reasons.

That leaves you 2 choices.... and then only if both would change their minds
about retiring.

A: Rudy Tomjanovich had 2 rings a decade before then the next 8 years made
the conference finals once and the lottery 4 times.
Current resume... 'lasted half a season' with the recent champion lakers and
had a melt down and quit... claimed 'health reasons'.

B: 69 year old Lenny Wilkins whose last trip to the finals was 1979 Sonics,
only other even 'division' first place finish in 25 years and last trip to a
CF was 1992 Cavs.
Current resume... lost 1st round 2002 , worst team in league with 24 wins
2003 and fired... hired mid season knicks swept first round 2004 and fired
after 39 games 17-22 in 2005.

So which available championship winning coach would you have hired? Rudy T
or Lenny?


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Anita Darling wrote:
> Bill Laimbeer was available when Brown said buy me out!
>
> Bill won two rings in the NBA, with the Pistons!

Yeah that is why his teammate Zeke is a great coach...and his playoff record
is 5-10

> Means he fit the criteria....

That is not coaching a team to the nba Championship... which was your
criteria.......

Don Nelson has 5 rings as a player, has coached the 7th most playoff games
in nba history, and never won a conference championship to get to a finals.
And recently that was with a team with two HOF levels players and that went
to the finals.
Jerry Sloan

2 available guys fit your criteria..... Kupchat must have thought like
you...so for player ring respect the lakers got Rudy T... who lasted 2
months... Dumars seems to to be smarter... but he was available so he and
Lenny Wilkins fit your criteria.
Which one should they have hired instead of Flip?


--
LT
"You can run a lot of plays when your X is
twice as big as the other guys' O.
It makes your X's and O's pretty good."
-Paul Westphal

Bill Laimbeer was available when Brown said buy me out!

Bill won two rings in the NBA, with the Pistons!
Means he fit the criteria....

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:16:52 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
Darling) wrote:

>Bill Laimbeer was available when Brown said buy me out!
>
>Bill won two rings in the NBA, with the Pistons!
>Means he fit the criteria....
>
> http://community.webtv.net/AnitaCotillier/AnitaDarling

Fool!! Magic Johnson won, what, 6 rings with the Lakers and he was a
horrible NBA coach. Winning rings as a player does not equate to
being a good NBA coach.

Laimbeer was NOT available when Brown was "let go". That was in 2005
and Laimbeer was still under contract to the Shock to coach that
summer of 2005. His contract did end at the end of the WNBA season
but by then the Pistons had already signed Flip Saunders.

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SkippyPB wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:54:37 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
> Darling) wrote:
>
>> YOU dumb ass son of a bitch, it's a wonder how you get through a
>> fucking day!
>>
>
> Who is calling who dumb? Maybe you should look in the mirror and read
> a little NBA history before you drag your fancy, shmancy WebTV
> keyboard out of the hamster cage.
>
>> The owner of the Shock is the owner of the Pistons...means, duh, it
>> could have happened and easy!
>>
>
> So what? The Shock is one entity and the Pistons are another. The
> coach signs a contract with then entity, not the owner. Since the
> Shock were playing well, it would have been a complete and utter
> mistake for Mr. Davidson to void Laimbeer's contract with the Shock
> (if he could and under union rules he may not have been able to) and
> allow him to sign with the Pistons. I know all this is over your
> pointy little head but do try and keep up. If Laimbeer had a personal
> services contract with Mr. Davidson (which he didn't), then it could
> have happened, but that is the only way.

There is no coaches union but he would have had to pay Laimbeer's contract
and for the pistons job plus hire a new coach for the Shock. And as we know
that is break up a known good thing to gamble twice.

So either they did not want to pay him, Dumars thought it was a bad idea, or
perhaps Bill was offered the job and has decided he rather stick where he is
and only working 4
months a year.

>
> How many NBA titles has Lambieer won again?
>

I am sure the WNBA counts, just like all the great NCAA champion coaches
that try the
NBA...and they have had grea...er...well 1 made it...


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"A tough day at the office is even tougher
when your OFFICE contains spectator seating."
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YOU dumb ass son of a bitch, it's a wonder how you get through a fucking
day!

The owner of the Shock is the owner of the Pistons...means, duh, it
could have happened and easy!

As for Magic, when he tried to coach the team didn't have the horses.
Same for Bird.
Bill would have had enough horses in the barn to get the job done, the
East was weak as hell the last three years. Further, since that time
Laimbeer has proven himself a capable and winning coach in collecting
two titles with the Shock! What the fuck has Curry won?

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"Anita Darling" <AnitaCotillier@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22636-4876770D-451@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...

>What the fuck has Curry won?


The same number of games as Bill Laimbeer has as an NBA coach. I'm just
saying...

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:54:37 -0400, AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita
Darling) wrote:

>YOU dumb ass son of a bitch, it's a wonder how you get through a fucking
>day!
>

Who is calling who dumb? Maybe you should look in the mirror and read
a little NBA history before you drag your fancy, shmancy WebTV
keyboard out of the hamster cage.

>The owner of the Shock is the owner of the Pistons...means, duh, it
>could have happened and easy!
>

So what? The Shock is one entity and the Pistons are another. The
coach signs a contract with then entity, not the owner. Since the
Shock were playing well, it would have been a complete and utter
mistake for Mr. Davidson to void Laimbeer's contract with the Shock
(if he could and under union rules he may not have been able to) and
allow him to sign with the Pistons. I know all this is over your
pointy little head but do try and keep up. If Laimbeer had a personal
services contract with Mr. Davidson (which he didn't), then it could
have happened, but that is the only way.

>As for Magic, when he tried to coach the team didn't have the horses.
>Same for Bird.

Magic's Lakers had no horses? Well let's see the 1993 team he tried
to coach contained James Worthy, Vlady Divac, Nick Van Excel, Elden
Campbell, Doug Christie, James Edwards, Kurt Rambis, Sedale Threat,
and George Lynch to name a few. Magic coached them to a 5 and 10
record. They finished 33-49 and in 5th place in the Pacific Division.
He just knew he didn't know how to coach and bolted.

Bird had 3 good teams and made the playoffs all three years he coached
and ended with a 147-67 record. Pacers played the Lakers in the NBA
finals in 1999-2000 season, Bird's last. There was nothing wrong with
Larry Bird as a coach. He quit on his own because that's not what he
wanted to do.


>Bill would have had enough horses in the barn to get the job done, the
>East was weak as hell the last three years. Further, since that time
>Laimbeer has proven himself a capable and winning coach in collecting
>two titles with the Shock! What the fuck has Curry won?
>

How many NBA titles has Lambieer won again?


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