http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/suns.dantonio/index.html?eref=T1

Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
allstar game (including playoffs)

In article <8668666d-edc7-43f3-a7ef-8e33b3649def@
25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, samc243@hotmail.com says...

So what, exactly, has D'Antoni won in the NBA?

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:43:32 -0400, Austin Healy <rope@dope.yu> wrote:
>
> In article <8668666d-edc7-43f3-a7ef-8e33b3649def@
> 25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, samc243@hotmail.com says...
>
> So what, exactly, has D'Antoni won in the NBA?

267 regular season games and 26 playoff games in 6 NBA seasons.

But please, give us your (realistic) choice for the next coach of
the Raptors so we can compare resumes.

Last I heard Phil Jackson was not available.


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On Apr 30, 10:09 am, Quirk <qu...@telekommunisten.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:43:32 -0400, Austin Healy <r...@dope.yu> wrote:
>
> > In article <8668666d-edc7-43f3-a7ef-8e33b3649def@
> > 25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, samc...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > So what, exactly, has D'Antoni won in the NBA?
>
> 267 regular season games and 26 playoff games in 6 NBA seasons.
>
> But please, give us your (realistic) choice for the next coach of
> the Raptors so we can compare resumes.
>
> Last I heard Phil Jackson was not available.
>
> --
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Jackson's over-rated.

There's certainly going to be a heck of a lot of coaching changes
coming up. What amazes me is that that cockroach Larry Brown has once
again taken control of a team. Seriously...how the hell does he keep
doing this?

On Apr 30, 9:04 am, EM <samc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/sun...
>
> Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
> there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
> Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
> allstar game (including playoffs)

There are two things to be said about D'Antoni.

One, he led the Suns to some pretty good runs, deep into the
playoffs. Without his offense, Nash would never have won a single MVP
award.

Two, he is an idiot, constantly using just a 7-man rotation despite
having the league's second oldest roster and a fair deep team to boot.

In article <mailman.3.1209568174.27837.asbntr-
post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca>, quirk@telekommunisten.net says...

> But please, give us your (realistic) choice for the next coach of
> the Raptors so we can compare resumes.

Sam Mitchell will be coaching the Raptors next year.

On Apr 30, 9:04 am, EM <samc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/sun...
>
> Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
> there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
> Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
> allstar game (including playoffs)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3375306

avery johnson is now available

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:59:04 -0400, Austin Healy <rope@dope.yu> wrote:

>> But please, give us your (realistic) choice for the next coach of
>> the Raptors so we can compare resumes.

> Sam Mitchell will be coaching the Raptors next year.

I was responding to your statement "What has he won in the NBA?"

What has Sam Mitchell won?

I agree the chances of Mitchell being coach next year are pretty high,
but then I was surprised when Babcock got canned. MLSE will obviously
act when an opportunity is available when it suites them.

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In anticipation of Austin Healy's next question, the answer is:

194 regular season games and 23 playoff games in 4 NBA seasons.



On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:26:36 -0700 (PDT), EM <samc243@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 9:04 am, EM <samc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/sun...
>>
>> Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
>> there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
>> Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
>> allstar game (including playoffs)
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3375306
>
> avery johnson is now available
>
>
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On Apr 30, 2:26 pm, EM <samc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:04 am, EM <samc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/sun...
>
> > Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
> > there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
> > Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
> > allstar game (including playoffs)
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3375306
>
> avery johnson is now available

A victim of a very bad and stupid trade.

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <mailman.3.1209568174.27837.asbntr-
> post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca>, quirk@telekommunisten.net says...
>
>> But please, give us your (realistic) choice for the next coach of
>> the Raptors so we can compare resumes.
>
> Sam Mitchell will be coaching the Raptors next year.

As well he should be. The woes of this team are NOT Mitchell's failt.

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In article <mailman.5.1209582209.27837.asbntr-
post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca>, dk@trick.ca says...

> 194 regular season games and 23 playoff games in 4 NBA seasons.

My question wasn't, "what's his record?", it was, "what's he WON?"

You know, as in titles? Championships? That kinda thing.

In article <mailman.4.1209581795.27837.asbntr-
post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca>, quirk@telekommunisten.net says...

> What has Sam Mitchell won?

The Atlantic division?

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <mailman.5.1209582209.27837.asbntr-
> post_lists.trick.ca@lists.trick.ca>, dk@trick.ca says...
>
>> 194 regular season games and 23 playoff games in 4 NBA seasons.
>
> My question wasn't, "what's his record?", it was, "what's he WON?"
>
> You know, as in titles? Championships? That kinda thing.

So it's your opinion that, each year, there is only one good coach?


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In article <67s1o3F2q6erqU3@mid.individual.net>,
lansdellicious@gmail.com says...

The thing about D'antoni ia this: he had a team that's vastly superior
to anything Sam Mitchell had to work with, yet he did nothing with it.
Couldn't get them over the hump. Admittedly, he had more than his share
of bad luck with those suspensions and the Shaq thing.

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <67s1o3F2q6erqU3@mid.individual.net>,
> lansdellicious@gmail.com says...
>
> The thing about D'antoni ia this: he had a team that's vastly superior
> to anything Sam Mitchell had to work with, yet he did nothing with it.
> Couldn't get them over the hump. Admittedly, he had more than his share
> of bad luck with those suspensions and the Shaq thing.

So, worse trade: Shaq, or Kidd? And how good is Miami going to be next
year with a lottery pick, Wade, Marion and Haslem?

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In article <67sc1kF2q4adpU2@mid.individual.net>,
lansdellicious@gmail.com says...

> So it's your opinion that, each year, there is only one good coach?

Ha ha! I just knew somebody was gonna say that. My opinion is that a
coach's credentials are built over time, and a few playoff series
victories and the odd championship go a long way on a resume.

In article <67scltF2ojcjhU1@mid.individual.net>,
lansdellicious@gmail.com says...

> And how good is Miami going to be next
> year with a lottery pick, Wade, Marion and Haslem?

Depends on whether the lottery pick is a stud or a stiff. A bad lottery
pick will get you a quick exit from the playoffs, as we've just seen.

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <67scltF2ojcjhU1@mid.individual.net>,
> lansdellicious@gmail.com says...
>
>> And how good is Miami going to be next
>> year with a lottery pick, Wade, Marion and Haslem?
>
> Depends on whether the lottery pick is a stud or a stiff. A bad lottery
> pick will get you a quick exit from the playoffs, as we've just seen.

Actually, the quick exit can be laid squarely at the doors of Bosh,
Ford, Bosh, Mitchell, Bosh and Bosh.

Some of it may be Delfino, and we can't overlook Bosh. Also, Bosh.

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In article <67si38F2qj0akU2@mid.individual.net>,
lansdellicious@gmail.com says...

Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <67si38F2qj0akU2@mid.individual.net>,
> lansdellicious@gmail.com says...
>
> Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.

Tell me: who is the "leader" of this team? Who should be scoring the
important buckets? When the team is settling for jumpers or floundering
offensively, who should be demanding the ball and trying to draw the
foul on a drive to the rim? Who should be pumping up team-mates and the
crowd?

What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
playoffs?

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On Apr 30, 7:16 pm, Austin Healy <r...@dope.yu> wrote:
> In article <67sc1kF2q4ad...@mid.individual.net>,
> lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
>
> > So it's your opinion that, each year, there is only one good coach?
>
> Ha ha! I just knew somebody was gonna say that. My opinion is that a
> coach's credentials are built over time, and a few playoff series
> victories and the odd championship go a long way on a resume.

So you don't think Mike D'Antoni has credentials? A team that has
made the playoffs every year in the Western Conference with a +.600
winning percentage?

No wonder you don't like Bargnani.. you're a hard man to please.

On May 1, 5:07 am, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
<lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Austin Healy wrote:
> > In article <67si38F2qj0a...@mid.individual.net>,
> > lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
>
> > Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.
>
> Tell me: who is the "leader" of this team? Who should be scoring the
> important buckets? When the team is settling for jumpers or floundering
> offensively, who should be demanding the ball and trying to draw the
> foul on a drive to the rim? Who should be pumping up team-mates and the
> crowd?
>
> What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
> playoffs?
>
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Who is the leader of the San Antonio Spurs?

In article <d36f1a79-ae1a-4c59-bfb4-10eca4fc3758
@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, ebrian@gmail.com says...

> So you don't think Mike D'Antoni has credentials?

I never said that, I just said, "what's he won?" I actually like
D'antoni. Doesn't matter anyway, we are not changing coaches.

"EM" <samc243@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/suns.dantonio/index.html?eref=T1
>
> Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
> there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
> Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
> allstar game (including playoffs)

I don't want him. He's considered to be pretty weak when it comes to
defence, and that's the Raptor's worst attribute already.

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In article <67tfelF2q3t8tU1@mid.individual.net>,
lansdellicious@gmail.com says...

> What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
> playoffs?

I would say he has done them all. I will give you credit for taking an
unpopular position, but you're questioning Bosh's effort and the only
way I can respond to that is I don't agree. The effort is there. He's
not getting much help.

On May 1, 10:55 am, Austin Healy <r...@dope.yu> wrote:
> In article <67tfelF2q3t8...@mid.individual.net>,
> lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
>
> > What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
> > playoffs?
>
> I would say he has done them all. I will give you credit for taking an
> unpopular position, but you're questioning Bosh's effort and the only
> way I can respond to that is I don't agree. The effort is there. He's
> not getting much help.

What I find frustrating, and this might be a little off-topic, is I
don't think people realize how much we're overachieving, both this
year and last. People say Sam Mitchell has got to go -- I think these
people just want to see us win and don't really understand why we're
not. These same people will find someone else to blame when we get a
new coach and still have the same result. Or they'll say it wasn't
the right coach, etc.

Check it out in terms of overachievers.. (a) for Raptors, (b) for
Orlando (c) for Detroit.

1. Who is a superstar player?
(a) Chris Bosh
(b) Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis
(c) None.

2. Who on our team would start on a contending team (ie a team like
Lakers, Pistons, Spurs, Hornets)?
(a) Bosh
(b) Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu
(c) Billups, Wallace, Prince, Hamilton

3. Who is the go-to guy?
(a) Apparently, no one.
(b) Turkoglu, Nelson, Howard
(c) Anyone

On May 1, 10:43 am, Austin Healy <r...@dope.yu> wrote:
> In article <d36f1a79-ae1a-4c59-bfb4-10eca4fc3758
> @e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, ebr...@gmail.com says...
>
> > So you don't think Mike D'Antoni has credentials?
>
> I never said that, I just said, "what's he won?" I actually like
> D'antoni. Doesn't matter anyway, we are not changing coaches.

We're not changing coaches "at this time".

ebrian wrote:
> On May 1, 5:07 am, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
> <lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Austin Healy wrote:
>>> In article <67si38F2qj0a...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
>>> Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.
>> Tell me: who is the "leader" of this team? Who should be scoring the
>> important buckets? When the team is settling for jumpers or floundering
>> offensively, who should be demanding the ball and trying to draw the
>> foul on a drive to the rim? Who should be pumping up team-mates and the
>> crowd?
>>
>> What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
>> playoffs?
>>
>> --
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>
> Who is the leader of the San Antonio Spurs?

They have 3: Parker, Duncan and Manu. They are lucky enough to have 3
players who can drag the team by the scruff of the neck. Bosh has, on
numerous occasions in the last two seasons, FAILED miserably to do any
of the things he needs to do. ebrian, you know that I was on this wagon
last summer, and I'm still on it.

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Onion Knight wrote:
> "EM" <samc243@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/suns.dantonio/index.html?eref=T1
>>
>> Even though BC has confirmed that Sam is returning next season is
>> there any possibility for BC to change his mind?
>> Mind you, the raptors only won 14 of their last 36 games since the
>> allstar game (including playoffs)
>
> I don't want him. He's considered to be pretty weak when it comes to
> defence, and that's the Raptor's worst attribute already.
>

He also has no clue how to use a bench, which is our strength.

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On May 1, 4:57 pm, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
<lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On May 1, 5:07 am, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
> > <lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Austin Healy wrote:
> >>> In article <67si38F2qj0a...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
> >>> Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.
> >> Tell me: who is the "leader" of this team? Who should be scoring the
> >> important buckets? When the team is settling for jumpers or floundering
> >> offensively, who should be demanding the ball and trying to draw the
> >> foul on a drive to the rim? Who should be pumping up team-mates and the
> >> crowd?
>
> >> What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
> >> playoffs?
>
> >> --
> >> --
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>
> > Who is the leader of the San Antonio Spurs?
>
> They have 3: Parker, Duncan and Manu. They are lucky enough to have 3
> players who can drag the team by the scruff of the neck. Bosh has, on
> numerous occasions in the last two seasons, FAILED miserably to do any
> of the things he needs to do. ebrian, you know that I was on this wagon
> last summer, and I'm still on it.

Okay, now -- do you think any of those 3 guys could do it by
themselves?

ebrian wrote:
> On May 1, 4:57 pm, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
> <lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ebrian wrote:
>>> On May 1, 5:07 am, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
>>> <lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Austin Healy wrote:
>>>>> In article <67si38F2qj0a...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
>>>>> Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.
>>>> Tell me: who is the "leader" of this team? Who should be scoring the
>>>> important buckets? When the team is settling for jumpers or floundering
>>>> offensively, who should be demanding the ball and trying to draw the
>>>> foul on a drive to the rim? Who should be pumping up team-mates and the
>>>> crowd?
>>>> What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
>>>> playoffs?
>>>> --
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>>> Who is the leader of the San Antonio Spurs?
>> They have 3: Parker, Duncan and Manu. They are lucky enough to have 3
>> players who can drag the team by the scruff of the neck. Bosh has, on
>> numerous occasions in the last two seasons, FAILED miserably to do any
>> of the things he needs to do. ebrian, you know that I was on this wagon
>> last summer, and I'm still on it.
>
> Okay, now -- do you think any of those 3 guys could do it by
> themselves?
>

You're missing the point. They could, as Manu proved against us this
season, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm not saying CB4 should be
able to do it himself, although the truly great players can and do. I'm
saying that when the team is slumping, he should be setting an example
to his team by trying to score the right way. He does not do that.

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On May 2, 5:12 am, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
<lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ebrian wrote:
> > On May 1, 4:57 pm, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
> > <lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ebrian wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 5:07 am, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
> >>> <lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Austin Healy wrote:
> >>>>> In article <67si38F2qj0a...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>> lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
> >>>>> Hyuk! I would take one Bosh over a boatload of Bargnanis.
> >>>> Tell me: who is the "leader" of this team? Who should be scoring the
> >>>> important buckets? When the team is settling for jumpers or floundering
> >>>> offensively, who should be demanding the ball and trying to draw the
> >>>> foul on a drive to the rim? Who should be pumping up team-mates and the
> >>>> crowd?
> >>>> What, of these things, has Bosh done this year at all, let alone in the
> >>>> playoffs?
> >>>> --
> >>>> --
> >>>> Lansdellicious - out. SURIMATE!http://www.411mania.com/user_profile.php?user_id=2212www.altraps.com
> >>> Who is the leader of the San Antonio Spurs?
> >> They have 3: Parker, Duncan and Manu. They are lucky enough to have 3
> >> players who can drag the team by the scruff of the neck. Bosh has, on
> >> numerous occasions in the last two seasons, FAILED miserably to do any
> >> of the things he needs to do. ebrian, you know that I was on this wagon
> >> last summer, and I'm still on it.
>
> > Okay, now -- do you think any of those 3 guys could do it by
> > themselves?
>
> You're missing the point. They could, as Manu proved against us this
> season, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm not saying CB4 should be
> able to do it himself, although the truly great players can and do. I'm
> saying that when the team is slumping, he should be setting an example
> to his team by trying to score the right way. He does not do that.
>
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So you mean like 2 seasons ago when Kobe would score 35 points per
game while taking 30 shots. That's what you want Bosh to do.

In article <1c8ec6e2-0412-47af-97ab-7ae980dbe17e@
34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, ebrian@gmail.com says...

He wants Bosh to drive and get fouled. Big revelation there.

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <1c8ec6e2-0412-47af-97ab-7ae980dbe17e@
> 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, ebrian@gmail.com says...
>
> He wants Bosh to drive and get fouled. Big revelation there.

Exactly. Not all the time, certainly, but when the jumpers aren't
falling, do you really want the leader of your team, the guy that
everyone else feeds off, taking more jumpers? Anthony Parker does a much
better job of driving for contact when we're down, but he doesn't get
the ball anywhere near enough.

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In article <680rjqF2odeqfU3@mid.individual.net>,
lansdellicious@gmail.com says...

> Exactly. Not all the time, certainly, but when the jumpers aren't
> falling, do you really want the leader of your team, the guy that
> everyone else feeds off, taking more jumpers? Anthony Parker does a much
> better job of driving for contact when we're down, but he doesn't get
> the ball anywhere near enough.

Why does Bargnani get a free pass? He's the one that should be doing
this, yet you knock Bosh while saying nothing about Bargs.

Trade Bosh, you have just lost the guts of your team. Trade Bargs, you
have just lost.... nothing.

Austin Healy wrote:
> In article <680rjqF2odeqfU3@mid.individual.net>,
> lansdellicious@gmail.com says...
>
>> Exactly. Not all the time, certainly, but when the jumpers aren't
>> falling, do you really want the leader of your team, the guy that
>> everyone else feeds off, taking more jumpers? Anthony Parker does a much
>> better job of driving for contact when we're down, but he doesn't get
>> the ball anywhere near enough.
>
> Why does Bargnani get a free pass? He's the one that should be doing
> this, yet you knock Bosh while saying nothing about Bargs.

Why should Bargs be doing it? He's not the leader, he's not an all-star,
he's not drawing double teams, and he was always guarded by a guy who
could keep him outside. It's Bosh's JOB to motivate the team and lead by
example on the floor. Not Andrea's.
>
> Trade Bosh, you have just lost the guts of your team. Trade Bargs, you
> have just lost.... nothing.

The guts of our team? How fitting...this team HAS no guts.

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On May 2, 12:55 pm, "\"Lansdellicious\" Chris Lansdell"
<lansdellici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Austin Healy wrote:
> > In article <680rjqF2odeq...@mid.individual.net>,
> > lansdellici...@gmail.com says...
>
> >> Exactly. Not all the time, certainly, but when the jumpers aren't
> >> falling, do you really want the leader of your team, the guy that
> >> everyone else feeds off, taking more jumpers? Anthony Parker does a much
> >> better job of driving for contact when we're down, but he doesn't get
> >> the ball anywhere near enough.
>
> > Why does Bargnani get a free pass? He's the one that should be doing
> > this, yet you knock Bosh while saying nothing about Bargs.
>
> Why should Bargs be doing it? He's not the leader, he's not an all-star,
> he's not drawing double teams, and he was always guarded by a guy who
> could keep him outside. It's Bosh's JOB to motivate the team and lead by
> example on the floor. Not Andrea's.
>
>
>
> > Trade Bosh, you have just lost the guts of your team. Trade Bargs, you
> > have just lost.... nothing.
>
> The guts of our team? How fitting...this team HAS no guts.
>
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Healy will now argue that Bargnani is a first overall pick and
therefore be expected to step forward, ahead of Bosh who was a lowly
#4 pick.

I will then argue that Kobe once did all the things you said you
wanted Bosh to do and the team sucked because it was all about him.
Then he took a step back to allow his teammates to step up themselves,
taking the focus off him and making his teammates better, which then
led the the Lakers winning the Western Conference and making Kobe, for
the first time ever, a candidate for the Most Valuable Player award.

Lansdell then reads this post, and has the realization that Chris Bosh
is doing exactly what he needs to do as the leader of the Toronto
Raptrs.