If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
lineup.......

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> lineup.......

I doubt they would do that.
I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up young
talent for in a sign and trade.
They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old and he
does not fit the "culture".


--
Laurel T
"I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> > lineup.......
>
> I doubt they would do that.
> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up young
> talent for in a sign and trade.
> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old and he
> does not fit the "culture".
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
> Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
matter.

On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> > lineup.......
>
> I doubt they would do that.
> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up young
> talent for in a sign and trade.
> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old and he
> does not fit the "culture".
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
> Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
there, but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one. Did I
misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott. That
said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
>>> lineup.......
>>
>> I doubt they would do that.
>> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up
>> young talent for in a sign and trade.
>> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old
>> and he does not fit the "culture".
>>

>
> Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
> there,

Even with Mile's retirement last two years coming off the cap they are at
the escrow limit this year and likely over next year.
Then they have Raef's last year on his big contract which was part of the
price of the pick that turned into Roy, and Francis's buy-out ending. They
have other smaller ending contracts as RFAs next year so may be able to drop
2 max
contracts under the cap for '09.

If not traded Jack, Webster and Frye will be restricted FAs with 12.2 total
in qualifying offers.
The rest signed for 09-10 add up to 27.8 mil.

>but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.

He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
goes as planned...
He needs to go to a mature current top contender.

> Did I
> misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
> along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
> think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
> Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
> players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
> shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
> by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
> accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott.

Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market, they want
boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland because he was
going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and Nate, Allen and KP...


>That
> said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
> with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
> if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
> they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.
>

They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick if he had
waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to Roy as the lead
guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into a better role player by
developing his defense, and he has bought into it.
And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has to be
moved this summer.


--
Laurel T
The invention of basketball was not an
accident. It was developed to meet a
need. Those boys simply would not play
"Drop the Handkerchief"
James Naismith

On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> >>> lineup.......
>
> >> I doubt they would do that.
> >> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up
> >> young talent for in a sign and trade.
> >> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old
> >> and he does not fit the "culture".
>
> > Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
> > there,
>
> Even with Mile's retirement last two years coming off the cap they are at
> the escrow limit this year and likely over next year.
> Then they have Raef's last year on his big contract which was part of the
> price of the pick that turned into Roy, and Francis's buy-out ending. They
> have other smaller ending contracts as RFAs next year so may be able to drop
> 2 max
> contracts under the cap for '09.
>
> If not traded Jack, Webster and Frye will be restricted FAs with 12.2 total
> in qualifying offers.
> The rest signed for 09-10 add up to 27.8 mil.
>
> >but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> > a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
> goes as planned...
> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> > Did I
> > misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
> > along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
> > think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
> > Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
> > players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
> > shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
> > by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
> > accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott.
>
> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market, they want
> boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland because he was
> going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and Nate, Allen and KP...

That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
own...


>
> >That
> > said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
> > with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
> > if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
> > they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.
>
> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick if he had
> waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to Roy as the lead
> guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into a better role player by
> developing his defense, and he has bought into it.
> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has to be
> moved this summer.

No PG??? That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
a good fit..

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market,
>> they want boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
>> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland
>> because he was going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and
>> Nate, Allen and KP...
>
> That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
> wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
> he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
> own...

Whatever the reason your take makes even less sense. =)
You do not give up on a game early in the second quarter down about 16
and sit two starters the remainder of the game to rest them.
.....and at the time they were promoting Baron for the all-star game.

>>
>> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick
>> if he had waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to
>> Roy as the lead guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into
>> a better role player by developing his defense, and he has bought
>> into it.
>> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has
>> to be moved this summer.
>
> No PG??? >That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
> a good fit..

Thay have 4 now but certainly could use a better one if they are not going
to start Rudy.
Roy is also a PG. He runs the point in the fourth and Blake's role most of
the
game is bring the ball up and hand it to Roy.


--
Laurel T
"A good point guard and scorer should go
hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
Frank Layden

On May 1, 8:55 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market,
> >> they want boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
> >> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland
> >> because he was going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and
> >> Nate, Allen and KP...
>
> > That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
> > wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
> > he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
> > own...
>
> Whatever the reason your take makes even less sense. =)
> You do not give up on a game early in the second quarter down about 16
> and sit two starters the remainder of the game to rest them.
> ....and at the time they were promoting Baron for the all-star game.

They didn't sit him for the whole game. He got pulled, along with
most of the first unit, because they were on an extended roadie, and
they weren't performing well as a unit. The second unit played pretty
evenly so they got an extended look. Besides, that's Nellie mind
games, I don't understand how you pull one game out of an 82 game
schedule with a fantastic body of work and say "this guy doesn't fit
in". Is that how you advance your point? How about the times he
plays hurt, or has the flu and gets pumped with IVs all day so he can
play when they need him. Or his stellar off the court history with
extended charitable work in four cities (Charlotte, NO, LA, Oakland).
But in January Nellie sat him because Portland was kicking the shit
out of the Warriors, so he must not be the kind of guy that fits in
here. Unbelievable.



>
>
>
> >> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick
> >> if he had waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to
> >> Roy as the lead guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into
> >> a better role player by developing his defense, and he has bought
> >> into it.
> >> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has
> >> to be moved this summer.
>
> > No PG??? >That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
> > a good fit..
>
> Thay have 4 now but certainly could use a better one if they are not going
> to start Rudy.
> Roy is also a PG. He runs the point in the fourth and Blake's role most of
> the
> game is bring the ball up and hand it to Roy.

If Roy runs the point, then Rudy needs to be a good SG, and they also
need to keep Jack or get a speedy SG that can guard the Barbosa,
Ellis, Parker, Iverson types...Short of that, they're a pretty good
looking roster...


>
> --
> Laurel T
> "A good point guard and scorer should go
> hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
> Frank Layden

If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is actually one
of the good ones. My network is not that far removed from his and we
have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
the community and staying out of trouble..

Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 1, 8:55 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market,
>>>> they want boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
>>>> But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland
>>>> because he was going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and
>>>> Nate, Allen and KP...
>>
>>> That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
>>> wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game),
>>> so he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on
>>> his own...
>>
>> Whatever the reason your take makes even less sense. =)
>> You do not give up on a game early in the second quarter down about
>> 16 and sit two starters the remainder of the game to rest them.
>> ....and at the time they were promoting Baron for the all-star game.
>
> They didn't sit him for the whole game.

Just half of it.... He averages 40 minutes he played 14.

> He got pulled, along with
> most of the first unit, because they were on an extended roadie,

They had played two at home on the 4th and 7th of Jan. and had a day off
before they played at Portland on the 9th.
Their next game was two days later at home against the grizz... can not tell
me that was any part of Davis playing 14 minutes

>and
> they weren't performing well as a unit.

No shit? That was my point. =) and where did Nellie apparently lay the
blame?
No defense, blazers had a 30 point quarter and Nellie sat Davis after 5
minutes and -13 of that.......
Warriors had a 17-8 run to start the 2nd, Davis came back in down by 7 half
way though the 2nd and they were -7 to be down 13 at the half. After half
time Davis played almost 2 minutes for another -8... and sat the rest of the
game.

>The second unit played pretty
> evenly so they got an extended look. Besides, that's Nellie mind
> games,

Lots of coaches sit players that are not playing defense...Nate often sat
Zach...did not work.

>I don't understand how you pull one game out of an 82 game
> schedule with a fantastic body of work and say "this guy doesn't fit
> in". Is that how you advance your point?

It was at the RG. You think it helped his perception in Portland?
The announcers talked about it, sportscenter talked about it...


> How about the times he
> plays hurt, or has the flu and gets pumped with IVs all day so he can
> play when they need him. Or his stellar off the court history with
> extended charitable work in four cities (Charlotte, NO, LA, Oakland).

Portland has players that do those things...'Sheed does all those things and
how did the portland media treat that?

> But in January Nellie sat him because Portland was kicking the shit
> out of the Warriors, so he must not be the kind of guy that fits in
> here. Unbelievable.

I was just saying his coaching problems seem to go past scott...mostly the
'does not fit in' is the long term for a guard at age 30.

>>
>>>> They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick
>>>> if he had waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to
>>>> Roy as the lead guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster
>>>> into a better role player by developing his defense, and he has
>>>> bought into it.
>>>> And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has
>>>> to be moved this summer.
>>
>>> No PG??? >That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would
>>> also be a good fit..
>>
>> Thay have 4 now but certainly could use a better one if they are not
>> going to start Rudy.
>> Roy is also a PG. He runs the point in the fourth and Blake's role
>> most of the
>> game is bring the ball up and hand it to Roy.
>
> If Roy runs the point, then Rudy needs to be a good SG, and they also
> need to keep Jack or get a speedy SG that can guard the Barbosa,
> Ellis, Parker, Iverson types...Short of that, they're a pretty good
> looking roster...

They also have Sergio...he does not guard anyone worth a damn.... which is
why he does not play...
I doubt they trade him though...he is part of getting Rudy to the NBA...


--
Laurel T
"Superstar- A player who hears what he
doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
-Unknown

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
> Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is actually one
> of the good ones.
My network is not that far removed from his and we
> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
> Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
> to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
> in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
> the community and staying out of trouble..
>
> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....

'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy too.
So?


--
Laurel T
The league has informed the Blazers
that Wallace and the team will be fined the next
time Wallace ignores his responsibilities
to speak to members of the media.
Wallace was unavailable to comment.

On May 1, 4:23 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > But in January Nellie sat him because Portland was kicking the shit
> > out of the Warriors, so he must not be the kind of guy that fits in
> > here. Unbelievable.
>
> I was just saying his coaching problems seem to go past scott..


Really??? What coach???

On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> > should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
> > Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is actually one
> > of the good ones.
>
> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>
> > have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> > Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> > Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
> > Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
> > to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
> > in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
> > the community and staying out of trouble..
>
> > Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> > Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy too.
> So?

So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have. It's the weeeeed
man.... Baron doesn't have that issue.

On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> > a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
> goes as planned...
> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.

He just turned 29...
Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any attention
in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very high level at
34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a team
that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....

Rizzo

On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy too.
> So?
>


Side note. I think Sheed is one of the all time underrated players.
Warriors took Joe Smith over him.

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
>>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him
>>> yourself. Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is
>>> actually one of the good ones.
>>
>> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>>
>>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
>>> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
>>> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin,
>>> ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who
>>> needs a story to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he
>>> wanted...He isn't yet in the David Robinson category, but he's
>>> pretty good about giving to the community and staying out of
>>> trouble..
>>
>>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
>>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>>
>> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy
>> too. So?
>
> So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have.

And where is 'Sheed? Somewhere he fits in...

> It's the weeeeed
> man....

Sharing one joint with Damon makes him a bad person?

>Baron doesn't have that issue.

This would not go over well in Portland:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/14/20080414suns.html


Golden State's Baron Davis was gone. He was benched for the second half by
Warriors coach Don Nelson after a 2-for-13 first half and a Sunday night
birthday party in the Valley.

"I gave Baron a much-needed rest in the second half," Nelson said.

"We should've had the game before the fourth quarter, especially when we saw
Baron Davis wasn't playing," Barbosa said. "It wasn't good but we woke up
and the energy came back. Everybody knew this game was important and thank
God we won."

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>>
>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if
>> everything goes as planned...
>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> He just turned 29...
> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com

OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.

> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any attention
> in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very high level at
> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a team
> that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
> Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....

He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again he needs
to join a team that is a currently closer.
Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from jameer or
delonte.....


--
Laurel T
"I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
some credit for his defense.
Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
got the ball." DRob

On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> >>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> >> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if
> >> everything goes as planned...
> >> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> > He just turned 29...
> > Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>
> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>
> > He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any attention
> > in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very high level at
> > 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a team
> > that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
> > Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....
>
> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again he needs
> to join a team that is a currently closer.
> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from jameer or
> delonte.....
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
> some credit for his defense.
> Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
> got the ball." DRob

Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...And to the post above, I never
said Sheed is a bad guy. He doesn't fit in because he has worn out
his welcome, plus he's 859 years old..

On May 1, 5:45 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> >>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him
> >>> yourself. Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is
> >>> actually one of the good ones.
>
> >> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>
> >>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> >>> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> >>> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin,
> >>> ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who
> >>> needs a story to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he
> >>> wanted...He isn't yet in the David Robinson category, but he's
> >>> pretty good about giving to the community and staying out of
> >>> trouble..
>
> >>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> >>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> >> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy
> >> too. So?
>
> > So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have.
>
> And where is 'Sheed? Somewhere he fits in...
>
> > It's the weeeeed
> > man....
>
> Sharing one joint with Damon makes him a bad person?
>
> >Baron doesn't have that issue.
>
> This would not go over well in Portland:
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/14/20080414suns...
>
> Golden State's Baron Davis was gone. He was benched for the second half by
> Warriors coach Don Nelson after a 2-for-13 first half and a Sunday night
> birthday party in the Valley.
>
> "I gave Baron a much-needed rest in the second half," Nelson said.
>
> "We should've had the game before the fourth quarter, especially when we saw
> Baron Davis wasn't playing," Barbosa said. "It wasn't good but we woke up
> and the energy came back. Everybody knew this game was important and thank
> God we won."

He was stinking it up, so he got pulled. The bench played great and
got them back in. They got the chance to finish, as it should be....

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 1, 5:45 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
>>>>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him
>>>>> yourself. Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is
>>>>> actually one of the good ones.
>>
>>>> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>>
>>>>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
>>>>> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
>>>>> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin,
>>>>> ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who
>>>>> needs a story to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he
>>>>> wanted...He isn't yet in the David Robinson category, but he's
>>>>> pretty good about giving to the community and staying out of
>>>>> trouble..
>>
>>>>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
>>>>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>>
>>>> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy
>>>> too. So?
>>
>>> So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have.
>>
>> And where is 'Sheed? Somewhere he fits in...
>>
>>> It's the weeeeed
>>> man....
>>
>> Sharing one joint with Damon makes him a bad person?
>>
>>> Baron doesn't have that issue.
>>
>> This would not go over well in Portland:
>>
>> http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/14/20080414suns...
>>
>> Golden State's Baron Davis was gone. He was benched for the second
>> half by Warriors coach Don Nelson after a 2-for-13 first half and a
>> Sunday night birthday party in the Valley.
>>
>> "I gave Baron a much-needed rest in the second half," Nelson said.
>>

>
> He was stinking it up, so he got pulled.

And it was national news that he had been partying for two nights for his
Bday.... and Nellie quips about how he was tired...

> The bench played great and
> got them back in. They got the chance to finish, as it should be....

Sure if they have a bad first half coaches by default do not put their best
player back in in the 2nd half. Especially in a close and must win game . =)
Odd that Nate always does with Roy...


--
Laurel T
"Superstar- A player who hears what he
doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
-Unknown

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
>>>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>>
>>>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if
>>>> everything goes as planned...
>>>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>>
>>> He just turned 29...
>>> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>>
>> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>>
>>> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any
>>> attention in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very
>>> high level at
>>> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a team
>>> that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
>>> Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....
>>
>> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again he
>> needs to join a team that is a currently closer.
>> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from jameer
>> or delonte.....


>
> Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...

Team that went to the finals last year and has LBJ as the first option is no
closer than GS?

>And to the post above, I never
> said Sheed is a bad guy. He doesn't fit in because he has worn out
> his welcome, plus he's 859 years old..

He was younger than Davis when the media run him out of town. His children
were being harrassed at school...


--
Laurel T
"Wallace is a riddle wrapped in a mystery,
wrapped in a headband." S.I.

On May 2, 8:57 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 1, 5:45 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> >>>>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him
> >>>>> yourself. Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is
> >>>>> actually one of the good ones.
>
> >>>> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>
> >>>>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> >>>>> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> >>>>> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin,
> >>>>> ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who
> >>>>> needs a story to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he
> >>>>> wanted...He isn't yet in the David Robinson category, but he's
> >>>>> pretty good about giving to the community and staying out of
> >>>>> trouble..
>
> >>>>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> >>>>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> >>>> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good guy
> >>>> too. So?
>
> >>> So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have.
>
> >> And where is 'Sheed? Somewhere he fits in...
>
> >>> It's the weeeeed
> >>> man....
>
> >> Sharing one joint with Damon makes him a bad person?
>
> >>> Baron doesn't have that issue.
>
> >> This would not go over well in Portland:
>
> >>http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/14/20080414suns...
>
> >> Golden State's Baron Davis was gone. He was benched for the second
> >> half by Warriors coach Don Nelson after a 2-for-13 first half and a
> >> Sunday night birthday party in the Valley.
>
> >> "I gave Baron a much-needed rest in the second half," Nelson said.
>
> > He was stinking it up, so he got pulled.
>
> And it was national news that he had been partying for two nights for his
> Bday.... and Nellie quips about how he was tired...
>
> > The bench played great and
> > got them back in. They got the chance to finish, as it should be....
>
> Sure if they have a bad first half coaches by default do not put their best
> player back in in the 2nd half. Especially in a close and must win game . =)
> Odd that Nate always does with Roy...

That wasn't a must win game no matter what anyone says. It was a
meaningless game. Denver's magic number was one at that point. THey
had one game left at home, against Memphis. Everyone with a brain
knew it was over. It was over when they lost at home to Denver.
ANyone who says otherwise is talking out of their ass. So that point
you made is nonsensical.

Rizzo

On May 2, 9:00 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> >>>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> >>>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if
> >>>> everything goes as planned...
> >>>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> >>> He just turned 29...
> >>> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>
> >> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>
> >>> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any
> >>> attention in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very
> >>> high level at
> >>> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a team
> >>> that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
> >>> Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....
>
> >> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again he
> >> needs to join a team that is a currently closer.
> >> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from jameer
> >> or delonte.....
>
> > Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...
>
> Team that went to the finals last year and has LBJ as the first option is no
> closer than GS?
>

Nope. They are an also ran in the east. Miami won the finals two
years ago. How close are they? How far back do you want to go?

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 2, 8:57 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On May 1, 5:45 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>>> On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>>>>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
>>>>>>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him
>>>>>>> yourself. Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis
>>>>>>> is actually one of the good ones.
>>
>>>>>> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>>
>>>>>>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or
>>>>>>> David Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica
>>>>>>> Alba, Kate Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully
>>>>>>> Steve Lavin, ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some
>>>>>>> newspaper hack who needs a story to hit a deadline and didn't
>>>>>>> get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet in the David Robinson
>>>>>>> category, but he's pretty good about giving to the community
>>>>>>> and staying out of trouble..
>>
>>>>>>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
>>>>>>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>>
>>>>>> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good
>>>>>> guy too. So?
>>
>>>>> So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have.
>>
>>>> And where is 'Sheed? Somewhere he fits in...
>>
>>>>> It's the weeeeed
>>>>> man....
>>
>>>> Sharing one joint with Damon makes him a bad person?
>>
>>>>> Baron doesn't have that issue.
>>
>>>> This would not go over well in Portland:
>>
>>>> http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/14/20080414suns...
>>
>>>> Golden State's Baron Davis was gone. He was benched for the second
>>>> half by Warriors coach Don Nelson after a 2-for-13 first half and a
>>>> Sunday night birthday party in the Valley.
>>
>>>> "I gave Baron a much-needed rest in the second half," Nelson said.
>>
>>> He was stinking it up, so he got pulled.
>>
>> And it was national news that he had been partying for two nights
>> for his Bday.... and Nellie quips about how he was tired...
>>
>>> The bench played great and
>>> got them back in. They got the chance to finish, as it should
>>> be....
>>
>> Sure if they have a bad first half coaches by default do not put
>> their best player back in in the 2nd half. Especially in a close and
>> must win game . =) Odd that Nate always does with Roy...
>
> That wasn't a must win game no matter what anyone says. It was a
> meaningless game. Denver's magic number was one at that point. THey
> had one game left at home, against Memphis.


Stranger things have happened...

> Everyone with a brain
> knew it was over. It was over when they lost at home to Denver.
> ANyone who says otherwise is talking out of their ass. So that point
> you made is nonsensical.

Not how it played in the media, which is why Portland would have been worse.

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 2, 9:00 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
>>>>>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>>
>>>>>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if
>>>>>> everything goes as planned...
>>>>>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>>
>>>>> He just turned 29...
>>>>> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>>
>>>> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>>
>>>>> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any
>>>>> attention in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very
>>>>> high level at
>>>>> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a
>>>>> team that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
>>>>> Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....
>>
>>>> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again
>>>> he needs to join a team that is a currently closer.
>>>> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from
>>>> jameer or delonte.....
>>
>>> Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...
>>
>> Team that went to the finals last year and has LBJ as the first
>> option is no closer than GS?
>>
>
> Nope. They are an also ran in the east. Miami won the finals two
> years ago.

And Riley gave away all of their role players in what was a very short
window at best...

>How close are they?

They are still playing...

> How far back do you want to go?

And adding Davis an allstar level PG which is what they need most to LBJ
would not keep them a contender?
What does his ego say about that?


--
Laurel T
"I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
some credit for his defense.
Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
got the ball." DRob

On May 2, 2:06 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 2, 8:57 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 5:45 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>>> On May 1, 4:25 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>>>>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> >>>>>>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him
> >>>>>>> yourself. Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis
> >>>>>>> is actually one of the good ones.
>
> >>>>>> My network is not that far removed from his and we
>
> >>>>>>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or
> >>>>>>> David Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica
> >>>>>>> Alba, Kate Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully
> >>>>>>> Steve Lavin, ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some
> >>>>>>> newspaper hack who needs a story to hit a deadline and didn't
> >>>>>>> get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet in the David Robinson
> >>>>>>> category, but he's pretty good about giving to the community
> >>>>>>> and staying out of trouble..
>
> >>>>>>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> >>>>>>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> >>>>>> 'Sheed is still one of my favorite players.....and he is a good
> >>>>>> guy too. So?
>
> >>>>> So sheed has baggage that Baron doesn't have.
>
> >>>> And where is 'Sheed? Somewhere he fits in...
>
> >>>>> It's the weeeeed
> >>>>> man....
>
> >>>> Sharing one joint with Damon makes him a bad person?
>
> >>>>> Baron doesn't have that issue.
>
> >>>> This would not go over well in Portland:
>
> >>>>http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/14/20080414suns...
>
> >>>> Golden State's Baron Davis was gone. He was benched for the second
> >>>> half by Warriors coach Don Nelson after a 2-for-13 first half and a
> >>>> Sunday night birthday party in the Valley.
>
> >>>> "I gave Baron a much-needed rest in the second half," Nelson said.
>
> >>> He was stinking it up, so he got pulled.
>
> >> And it was national news that he had been partying for two nights
> >> for his Bday.... and Nellie quips about how he was tired...
>
> >>> The bench played great and
> >>> got them back in. They got the chance to finish, as it should
> >>> be....
>
> >> Sure if they have a bad first half coaches by default do not put
> >> their best player back in in the 2nd half. Especially in a close and
> >> must win game . =) Odd that Nate always does with Roy...
>
> > That wasn't a must win game no matter what anyone says. It was a
> > meaningless game. Denver's magic number was one at that point. THey
> > had one game left at home, against Memphis.
>
> Stranger things have happened...
>
> > Everyone with a brain
> > knew it was over. It was over when they lost at home to Denver.
> > ANyone who says otherwise is talking out of their ass. So that point
> > you made is nonsensical.
>
> Not how it played in the media, which is why Portland would have been worse.

that's how the media played it here, where it had the most
significance. We knew it was unlikely we would win in Phx and even if
we did Denver only had to beat Memphis, at home against one of the
worst teams in the league, wasn't happening...

On May 2, 2:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 2, 9:00 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> >>>>>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> >>>>>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if
> >>>>>> everything goes as planned...
> >>>>>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> >>>>> He just turned 29...
> >>>>> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>
> >>>> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>
> >>>>> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any
> >>>>> attention in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very
> >>>>> high level at
> >>>>> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a
> >>>>> team that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not just
> >>>>> Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR Oklahoma....
>
> >>>> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again
> >>>> he needs to join a team that is a currently closer.
> >>>> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from
> >>>> jameer or delonte.....
>
> >>> Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...
>
> >> Team that went to the finals last year and has LBJ as the first
> >> option is no closer than GS?
>
> > Nope. They are an also ran in the east. Miami won the finals two
> > years ago.
>
> And Riley gave away all of their role players in what was a very short
> window at best...
>
> >How close are they?
>
> They are still playing...
>
> > How far back do you want to go?
>
> And adding Davis an allstar level PG which is what they need most to LBJ
> would not keep them a contender?
> What does his ego say about that?
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
> some credit for his defense.
> Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
> got the ball." DRob

According to you, Davis is not all-star material ;) Seriously though,
he's not a good fit with Kobe or Lebron because they all need the ball
to be effective. Although I will say Kobe for all his faults does
move well without the ball so it might work there.....Lebron really
needs the ball, as does Davis. Kind of like what happened in Denver
in my opinion. That was never going to work, and I said it at the
time they picked up Iverson. Not enough basketballs. Besides, look
at Cleveland's roster. They are weak. Which is why they are
struggling against Washington. Take Lebron out and it's the worst team
in the league. Take Roy out of Portland, or Davis out of GS and they
are still decent teams. That's what my point was. As great as LBJ is
I don't think he can get very far with that cast of clowns. Wally is
playing big minutes out there.....The East is a joke.

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 2, 2:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On May 2, 9:00 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>>> On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
>>>>>>>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>>
>>>>>>>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even
>>>>>>>> if everything goes as planned...
>>>>>>>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>>
>>>>>>> He just turned 29...
>>>>>>> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>>
>>>>>> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>>
>>>>>>> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any
>>>>>>> attention in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very
>>>>>>> high level at
>>>>>>> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a
>>>>>>> team that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not
>>>>>>> just Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR
>>>>>>> Oklahoma....
>>
>>>>>> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again
>>>>>> he needs to join a team that is a currently closer.
>>>>>> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from
>>>>>> jameer or delonte.....
>>
>>>>> Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...
>>
>>>> Team that went to the finals last year and has LBJ as the first
>>>> option is no closer than GS?
>>
>>> Nope. They are an also ran in the east. Miami won the finals two
>>> years ago.
>>
>> And Riley gave away all of their role players in what was a very
>> short window at best...
>>
>>> How close are they?
>>
>> They are still playing...
>>
>>> How far back do you want to go?
>>
>> And adding Davis an allstar level PG which is what they need most
>> to LBJ would not keep them a contender?
>> What does his ego say about that?
>>

>
> According to you, Davis is not all-star material ;) Seriously though,
> he's not a good fit with Kobe or Lebron because they all need the ball
> to be effective. Although I will say Kobe for all his faults does
> move well without the ball so it might work there.....Lebron really
> needs the ball, as does Davis. Kind of like what happened in Denver
> in my opinion. That was never going to work, and I said it at the
> time they picked up Iverson. Not enough basketballs. Besides, look
> at Cleveland's roster. They are weak. Which is why they are
> struggling against Washington. Take Lebron out and it's the worst team
> in the league. Take Roy out of Portland, or Davis out of GS and they
> are still decent teams. That's what my point was. As great as LBJ is
> I don't think he can get very far with that cast of clowns. Wally is
> playing big minutes out there.....The East is a joke.

I think Davis might thrive as a 2nd option and not have to worry about
double teams and that LBJ can play off the ball fine if he has the right
PG... but even if you are right a team that just hopes for 50 wins and to
make the playoffs is not the best choice for a verteran chasing a ring.


--
Laurel T
Kobe must be feeling guilty again;
he just bought Jim Gray a diamond.
Vescey

On May 2, 3:00 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 2, 2:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On May 2, 9:00 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>>> On May 1, 5:53 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> >>>>>>>>> a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> >>>>>>>> He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even
> >>>>>>>> if everything goes as planned...
> >>>>>>>> He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> >>>>>>> He just turned 29...
> >>>>>>> Born: Apr 13, 1979 according to NBA.com
>
> >>>>>> OK the site I saw earlier had it wrong.
>
> >>>>>>> He played all 82 games and has no injuries that require any
> >>>>>>> attention in the off season. Nash is still playing PG at a very
> >>>>>>> high level at
> >>>>>>> 34. Means it's reasonable to expect 5 productive years...for a
> >>>>>>> team that could use a veteran it would seem to be a fit. Not
> >>>>>>> just Portland, but Chicago, the Clips, Seattle ERRRRRRRR
> >>>>>>> Oklahoma....
>
> >>>>>> He might as well stay where he is. If he wants a ring I say again
> >>>>>> he needs to join a team that is a currently closer.
> >>>>>> Cleveland or Orlando maybe. He would sure be an upgrade from
> >>>>>> jameer or delonte.....
>
> >>>>> Cleveland isn't any closer than GS...
>
> >>>> Team that went to the finals last year and has LBJ as the first
> >>>> option is no closer than GS?
>
> >>> Nope. They are an also ran in the east. Miami won the finals two
> >>> years ago.
>
> >> And Riley gave away all of their role players in what was a very
> >> short window at best...
>
> >>> How close are they?
>
> >> They are still playing...
>
> >>> How far back do you want to go?
>
> >> And adding Davis an allstar level PG which is what they need most
> >> to LBJ would not keep them a contender?
> >> What does his ego say about that?
>
> > According to you, Davis is not all-star material ;) Seriously though,
> > he's not a good fit with Kobe or Lebron because they all need the ball
> > to be effective. Although I will say Kobe for all his faults does
> > move well without the ball so it might work there.....Lebron really
> > needs the ball, as does Davis. Kind of like what happened in Denver
> > in my opinion. That was never going to work, and I said it at the
> > time they picked up Iverson. Not enough basketballs. Besides, look
> > at Cleveland's roster. They are weak. Which is why they are
> > struggling against Washington. Take Lebron out and it's the worst team
> > in the league. Take Roy out of Portland, or Davis out of GS and they
> > are still decent teams. That's what my point was. As great as LBJ is
> > I don't think he can get very far with that cast of clowns. Wally is
> > playing big minutes out there.....The East is a joke.
>
> I think Davis might thrive as a 2nd option and not have to worry about
> double teams and that LBJ can play off the ball fine if he has the right
> PG... but even if you are right a team that just hopes for 50 wins and to
> make the playoffs is not the best choice for a verteran chasing a ring.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> Kobe must be feeling guilty again;
> he just bought Jim Gray a diamond.
> Vescey

You may be right on both counts. I think the Warriors are 2 seasons
away from seriously contending for the Conf finals if they stand pat.
It depends on the development of their bigs. Davis will be 31 then.
In fairness to him, he needs to think that over as far as how
important it is for him to chase that ring. Doesn't always work
though. Look what happened to Karl Malone. I think LBJ works so hard
to improve that he'll be a complete player in a year or two
(defensively and moving without the ball are the only areas needing
improvement, and not much at that).....Too bad they've surrounded him
with a lot of crap (Wallace, Wally, West....P.....U...) It would be
kind of neat if Brand opted out and went to Cleveland. That would be
a better fit than Baron over there. Don't know how the numbers work...

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 2, 3:00 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> You may be right on both counts. I think the Warriors are 2 seasons
> away from seriously contending for the Conf finals if they stand pat.
> It depends on the development of their bigs. Davis will be 31 then.
> In fairness to him, he needs to think that over as far as how
> important it is for him to chase that ring. Doesn't always work
> though. Look what happened to Karl Malone. I think LBJ works so hard
> to improve that he'll be a complete player in a year or two
> (defensively and moving without the ball are the only areas needing
> improvement, and not much at that).....Too bad they've surrounded him
> with a lot of crap (Wallace, Wally, West....P.....U...) It would be
> kind of neat if Brand opted out and went to Cleveland. That would be
> a better fit than Baron over there.

In some ways. I think Cavs more need a playoff tested leader though.

>Don't know how the numbers work...
>

Me either. I have not looked at any breakdowns yet about the teams with cap
room this summer.


--
Laurel T
"I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells

Terraholm wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>> On May 2, 3:00 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

>> improvement, and not much at that).....Too bad they've surrounded him
>> with a lot of crap (Wallace, Wally, West....P.....U...) It would be
>> kind of neat if Brand opted out and went to Cleveland. That would be
>> a better fit than Baron over there.
>
> In some ways. I think Cavs more need a playoff tested leader though.
>
>> Don't know how the numbers work...
>>
>
> Me either. I have not looked at any breakdowns yet about the teams
> with cap room this summer.

Cavs will only have their MLE.
They are over the tax limit next season by about 7 mil just with their 8
signed players.

Terraholm wrote:
> Terraholm wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:

>> Me either. I have not looked at any breakdowns yet about the teams
>> with cap room this summer.
>
> Cavs will only have their MLE.
> They are over the tax limit next season by about 7 mil just with
> their 8 signed players.

Only playoff team with cap room is Philly...
Bulls may be somewhat under the cap.
Other than that Bobcats and Grizz will have room.

I think Davis and Brand stay put...

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 1, 8:55 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> If Roy runs the point, then Rudy needs to be a good SG, and they also
> need to keep Jack or get a speedy SG that can guard the Barbosa,
> Ellis, Parker, Iverson types...Short of that, they're a pretty good
> looking roster...


Canzano had a recent column on this:

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf?/base/sports/1209700506119680.xml&coll=7

The recruitment of Rudy Fernandez continued Thursday in Spain, as a
contingent led by Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard continued
its attempt to persuade the 22-year-old guard to take less money and chase a
dream with them.

Owner Paul Allen visited with Fernandez's father last month in Spain and,
presumably, the Blazers recognize that getting their late first-round draft
pick from last season to sign for less money than he could command overseas
would be one of the most important developments of the offseason.

The thought of Fernandez in red and black is swell, but to get the most out
of that potential move there's another party that needs to be persuaded of
something else.

The Blazers' front office and coaching staff must see that Brandon Roy is
the team's future point guard.

Pritchard will wag his tongue at the idea, and so will coach Nate McMillan.
But what these guys don't realize is that they're the ones making the best
case for Roy as the future point guard, and they're only compounding that by
chasing Fernandez, who is a natural two-guard.

Fernandez and Roy currently play the same position, and if the Blazers can
learn anything from their past it's that you can't just throw talented,
hungry, gifted players who play the same position onto the same roster and
expect you'll figure it out later.

Portland leaned too hard on Roy this season. He guarded some of the best
offensive players. He had the ball in his hands in the halfcourt during most
of the important possessions. He assumed a leadership role and he played
multiple positions.

Roy is versatile, smart and capable. And when the Blazers reeled off their
13-game winning streak, it was ignited after Roy moved to the point. In his
first nine games of that streak, Roy averaged 24.2 points, 7.0 assists and
5.8 rebounds.

It was his best basketball of the season. It came against some of the best
point guards in the Western Conference. And it was that play that put Roy on
the All-Star team.

The Blazers should recognize, even as they're trying to convince Fernandez
that there will be enough shared minutes at the shooting guard position,
that what they're really trying to tell themselves is that they believe Roy
is versatile enough to play both guard positions.

Why not let him specialize as the point guard?

Roy is big. And strong. And the game moves only as fast as he'll allow it to
move, which is not only the mark of a great player, but also of a guy who
understands what it is to run the point. You could also make a case that the
injuries and abuse Roy suffered this season might not come as frequently in
the future, or at least with such severity, if he were guarded by the other
team's point guard instead of a typically bigger perimeter player.

On May 4, 10:37 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 1, 8:55 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > If Roy runs the point, then Rudy needs to be a good SG, and they also
> > need to keep Jack or get a speedy SG that can guard the Barbosa,
> > Ellis, Parker, Iverson types...Short of that, they're a pretty good
> > looking roster...
>
> Canzano had a recent column on this:
>
> http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf?/ba...
>
> The recruitment of Rudy Fernandez continued Thursday in Spain, as a
> contingent led by Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard continued
> its attempt to persuade the 22-year-old guard to take less money and chase a
> dream with them.
>
> Owner Paul Allen visited with Fernandez's father last month in Spain and,
> presumably, the Blazers recognize that getting their late first-round draft
> pick from last season to sign for less money than he could command overseas
> would be one of the most important developments of the offseason.
>
> The thought of Fernandez in red and black is swell, but to get the most out
> of that potential move there's another party that needs to be persuaded of
> something else.
>
> The Blazers' front office and coaching staff must see that Brandon Roy is
> the team's future point guard.
>
> Pritchard will wag his tongue at the idea, and so will coach Nate McMillan.
> But what these guys don't realize is that they're the ones making the best
> case for Roy as the future point guard, and they're only compounding that by
> chasing Fernandez, who is a natural two-guard.
>
> Fernandez and Roy currently play the same position, and if the Blazers can
> learn anything from their past it's that you can't just throw talented,
> hungry, gifted players who play the same position onto the same roster and
> expect you'll figure it out later.
>
> Portland leaned too hard on Roy this season. He guarded some of the best
> offensive players. He had the ball in his hands in the halfcourt during most
> of the important possessions. He assumed a leadership role and he played
> multiple positions.
>
> Roy is versatile, smart and capable. And when the Blazers reeled off their
> 13-game winning streak, it was ignited after Roy moved to the point. In his
> first nine games of that streak, Roy averaged 24.2 points, 7.0 assists and
> 5.8 rebounds.
>
> It was his best basketball of the season. It came against some of the best
> point guards in the Western Conference. And it was that play that put Roy on
> the All-Star team.
>
> The Blazers should recognize, even as they're trying to convince Fernandez
> that there will be enough shared minutes at the shooting guard position,
> that what they're really trying to tell themselves is that they believe Roy
> is versatile enough to play both guard positions.
>
> Why not let him specialize as the point guard?
>
> Roy is big. And strong. And the game moves only as fast as he'll allow it to
> move, which is not only the mark of a great player, but also of a guy who
> understands what it is to run the point. You could also make a case that the
> injuries and abuse Roy suffered this season might not come as frequently in
> the future, or at least with such severity, if he were guarded by the other
> team's point guard instead of a typically bigger perimeter player.

Interesting. Don't know if I mentioned this, but when I was at
Warriors v Celtics we were talking about Garnett. And I commented
that he's a complete player and one of only three in the league. I
define that as someone who can do everything, if asked. The other
two, in my opinion, are Kobe and Brandon Roy. While Roy is not yet in
that class of greatness, I pointed out that he has no flaw in his
game, and can do anything on the court that is asked of him, including
guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3. (I don't see Lebron getting
that defensive assignment, or Duncan shooting from the perimeter
(though he did nail that three in game one)....

That said, I think having Brandon run the point on a consistent basis
could be a mistake unless they are looking for a scoring first PG. If
not, it will take away some of his aggressiveness by design.

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 4, 10:37 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Interesting. Don't know if I mentioned this, but when I was at
> Warriors v Celtics we were talking about Garnett. And I commented
> that he's a complete player and one of only three in the league. I
> define that as someone who can do everything, if asked. The other
> two, in my opinion, are Kobe and Brandon Roy.

I would throw in 'Sheed and Manu... and perhaps Odom.

> While Roy is not yet in
> that class of greatness, I pointed out that he has no flaw in his
> game, and can do anything on the court that is asked of him, including
> guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3.

Roy says it himself, he is not great at anything but does everything pretty
well...

> (I don't see Lebron getting
> that defensive assignment,

Not so sure there. I think he is a pretty fair defender. I would not call it
a weakness at least.

> or Duncan shooting from the perimeter
> (though he did nail that three in game one)....
>
> That said, I think having Brandon run the point on a consistent basis
> could be a mistake unless they are looking for a scoring first PG. If
> not, it will take away some of his aggressiveness by design.

He does not look for his shot the first half anyway... most of the time when
he is aggressive on offense he is creating his own shot.


--
Laurel T
"A good point guard and scorer should go
hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
Frank Layden

On May 4, 1:01 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On May 4, 10:37 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting. Don't know if I mentioned this, but when I was at
> > Warriors v Celtics we were talking about Garnett. And I commented
> > that he's a complete player and one of only three in the league. I
> > define that as someone who can do everything, if asked. The other
> > two, in my opinion, are Kobe and Brandon Roy.
>
> I would throw in 'Sheed and Manu... and perhaps Odom.

The reason I wouldn't throw Sheed into that group (God love him) is
because he's not a great ball handler. Odom I could see, though would
you really consider him a stellar defender? Good call though. Manu
forces the action to a fault and is out of control a lot, but the
point is well taken on all three.


>
> > While Roy is not yet in
> > that class of greatness, I pointed out that he has no flaw in his
> > game, and can do anything on the court that is asked of him, including
> > guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3.
>
> Roy says it himself, he is not great at anything but does everything pretty
> well...

Well, he's modest. He handles the ball great and is already a great
one on one defender.


>
> > (I don't see Lebron getting
> > that defensive assignment,
>
> Not so sure there. I think he is a pretty fair defender. I would not call it
> a weakness at least.

He's getting better and continues to work on being a perfect
player.....

>
> > or Duncan shooting from the perimeter
> > (though he did nail that three in game one)....
>
> > That said, I think having Brandon run the point on a consistent basis
> > could be a mistake unless they are looking for a scoring first PG. If
> > not, it will take away some of his aggressiveness by design.
>
> He does not look for his shot the first half anyway... most of the time when
> he is aggressive on offense he is creating his own shot.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "A good point guard and scorer should go
> hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
> Frank Layden

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 4, 1:01 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On May 4, 10:37 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. Don't know if I mentioned this, but when I was at
>>> Warriors v Celtics we were talking about Garnett. And I commented
>>> that he's a complete player and one of only three in the league. I
>>> define that as someone who can do everything, if asked. The other
>>> two, in my opinion, are Kobe and Brandon Roy.
>>
>> I would throw in 'Sheed and Manu... and perhaps Odom.
>
> The reason I wouldn't throw Sheed into that group (God love him) is
> because he's not a great ball handler.

Pretty good for a 7 footer and a great passer.

> Odom I could see, though would
> you really consider him a stellar defender? Good call though. Manu
> forces the action to a fault and is out of control a lot, but the
> point is well taken on all three.
>
>
>>
>>> While Roy is not yet in
>>> that class of greatness, I pointed out that he has no flaw in his
>>> game, and can do anything on the court that is asked of him,
>>> including guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3.
>>
>> Roy says it himself, he is not great at anything but does everything
>> pretty well...
>
> Well, he's modest. He handles the ball great and is already a great
> one on one defender.

I would say he is honest. His game is better that the sum of his parts.


--
Laurel T
Everyone had their hands in Kobe's face.
My momma had a hand in his face and he still hit it."
Bonzi Wells

On Apr 30, 10:45 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > >>> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> > >>> lineup.......
>
> > >> I doubt they would do that.
> > >> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up
> > >> young talent  for in a sign and trade.
> > >> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old
> > >> and he does not fit the "culture".
>
> > > Another note,  I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
> > > there,
>
> > Even with Mile's retirement last two years coming off the cap they are at
> > the escrow limit this year and likely over next year.
> > Then they have Raef's last year on his big contract which was part of the
> > price of the pick that turned into Roy, and Francis's buy-out ending. They
> > have other smaller ending contracts as RFAs next year so may be able to drop
> > 2 max
> > contracts under the cap for '09.
>
> > If not traded Jack, Webster and Frye will be restricted FAs with 12.2  total
> > in qualifying offers.
> > The rest signed for 09-10 add up to 27.8 mil.
>
> > >but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> > > a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> > He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
> > goes as planned...
> > He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> > > Did I
> > > misunderstand what you meant by culture?  Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
> > > along with Scott.  Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass.  I
> > > think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
> > > Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
> > > players clash.  If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
> > > shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
> > > by Baron.  I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
> > > accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott.
>
> > Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market, they want
> > boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
> > But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland because hewas
> > going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and Nate, Allen and KP....
>
> That's not why.  THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball.  It
> wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
> he rested him and went to the bench.  It's not for going off on his
> own...
>
>
>
> > >That
> > > said, it probably will not happen.  But I think he coming in along
> > > with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
> > > if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
> > > they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.
>
> > They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick if hehad
> > waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to Roy as the lead
> > guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into a better role player by
> > developing his defense, and he has bought into it.
> > And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has to be
> > moved this summer.
>
> No PG???  That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
> a good fit..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I bet Portland could pry Ridnour away from the Oklahoma Sonics. Sam
Presto and PJ Carleisemo don't really seem to like him, but he would
probably be a good fit in Portland!

On May 1, 12:59 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
> Remember OJ?  You never know unless you know.  Davis is actually one
> of the good ones.  My network is not that far removed from his and we
> have some folks in common.  Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
> Rico Hines, etc.  Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
> to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
> in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
> the community and staying out of trouble..
>
> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> Rizzo

Actually Ruben Patterson has cleaned up his act considerably the last
2 seasons. Sheed has really been a new man since he went to the
Pistons.

MACK DADDY wrote:
> On May 1, 12:59 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
>> should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
>> Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is actually one
>> of the good ones. My network is not that far removed from his and we
>> have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
>> Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
>> Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin,
>> ,Magic, Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs
>> a story to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He
>> isn't yet in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about
>> giving to the community and staying out of trouble..
>>
>> Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
>> Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>>
>> Rizzo
>
> Actually Ruben Patterson has cleaned up his act considerably the last
> 2 seasons.

Yeah that is why he is playing in Turkey...

>Sheed has really been a new man since he went to the
> Pistons.

Nope same guy same game...


--
Laurel T
"Wallace is a riddle wrapped in a mystery,
wrapped in a headband." S.I.

On May 5, 10:43 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 10:45 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 12:32 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > > On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > >>> If Allen is willing to write a big check, it would be one hell of a
> > > >>> lineup.......
>
> > > >> I doubt they would do that.
> > > >> I do not think he would be a free agent they would want to give up
> > > >> young talent for in a sign and trade.
> > > >> They do not have cap room until summer '09... he is 30 years old
> > > >> and he does not fit the "culture".
>
> > > > Another note, I'm not exactly sure of the salary cap situation up
> > > > there,
>
> > > Even with Mile's retirement last two years coming off the cap they are at
> > > the escrow limit this year and likely over next year.
> > > Then they have Raef's last year on his big contract which was part of the
> > > price of the pick that turned into Roy, and Francis's buy-out ending. They
> > > have other smaller ending contracts as RFAs next year so may be able to drop
> > > 2 max
> > > contracts under the cap for '09.
>
> > > If not traded Jack, Webster and Frye will be restricted FAs with 12.2 total
> > > in qualifying offers.
> > > The rest signed for 09-10 add up to 27.8 mil.
>
> > > >but I have to imagine that most 29 year old players would give
> > > > a discount for a shot at a title if they don't yet have one.
>
> > > He just turned 30 and Portland is still a few years away even if everything
> > > goes as planned...
> > > He needs to go to a mature current top contender.
>
> > > > Did I
> > > > misunderstand what you meant by culture? Baron, like Kidd, didn't get
> > > > along with Scott. Stack recently threatened to beat Scott's ass. I
> > > > think Scott has an arrogant attitude at times towards some players.
> > > > Stack is a pretty solid guy by most accounts. Sometimes coaches and
> > > > players clash. If you ask Don Nelson or Paul Silas, who have a
> > > > shitload of experience in the NBA as players and coaches, they stand
> > > > by Baron. I think the preconceived notion you have of Baron is not
> > > > accurate, regardless of what happened between him and Scott.
>
> > > Even perceived baggage will not work in the Portland media market, they want
> > > boy scouts. And I will admit the concept is working.
> > > But even with Nelson sat baron for most of a game in Portland because he was
> > > going off on his own in front of 20K blazer fans and Nate, Allen and KP...
>
> > That's not why. THat's how he's supposed to play in Nellieball. It
> > wasn't dropping and they were getting killed (I remember the game), so
> > he rested him and went to the bench. It's not for going off on his
> > own...
>
> > > >That
> > > > said, it probably will not happen. But I think he coming in along
> > > > with Oden would likely bring a championship run to the PDX much like
> > > > if he stayed where he is and say, Chris Bosh went with him to GS,
> > > > they'd have a similar run..Difference is, Bosh is not available.
>
> > > They are really high on Rudy who would be a very high lottery pick if he had
> > > waited for this year's draft and may be thinking more to Roy as the lead
> > > guard. Nor have they given up on making Webster into a better role player by
> > > developing his defense, and he has bought into it.
> > > And they have plenty of trade material. Likely pat least one PG has to be
> > > moved this summer.
>
> > No PG??? That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also be
> > a good fit..- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I bet Portland could pry Ridnour away from the Oklahoma Sonics. Sam
> Presto and PJ Carleisemo don't really seem to like him, but he would
> probably be a good fit in Portland!

I don't see how he is a big upgrade from Jack or Blake. In fact I
think both those guys are stronger defensively. Luke is a better
passer for sure but the other guys are tough. I like Luke but I don't
jerk with the chemistry for him.

On May 5, 10:50 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 12:59 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> > should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
> > Remember OJ? You never know unless you know. Davis is actually one
> > of the good ones. My network is not that far removed from his and we
> > have some folks in common. Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> > Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> > Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
> > Rico Hines, etc. Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
> > to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
> > in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
> > the community and staying out of trouble..
>
> > Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> > Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> > Rizzo
>
> Actually Ruben Patterson has cleaned up his act considerably the last
> 2 seasons. Sheed has really been a new man since he went to the
> Pistons.

Sheed is fine and a good team player. Patterson, too much baggage.

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On May 5, 10:43 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>>> No PG??? That is a problem they need to correct. Luke R would also
>>> be a good fit..- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> I bet Portland could pry Ridnour away from the Oklahoma Sonics. Sam
>> Presto and PJ Carleisemo don't really seem to like him, but he would
>> probably be a good fit in Portland!
>
> I don't see how he is a big upgrade from Jack or Blake. In fact I
> think both those guys are stronger defensively. Luke is a better
> passer for sure but the other guys are tough. I like Luke but I don't
> jerk with the chemistry for him.


Exactly. No reason to make moves sideways when they know these guys fit in
fine.


--
Laurel T
"I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
some credit for his defense.
Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
got the ball." DRob

"Frank Rizzo" <champ91917@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f6e3dbd-42e5-4c7a-86ec-a3d525bcd09d@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
snip
>
> He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
> matter.
Chior Boy WOW thats a stretch
KjH
>

On May 8, 12:17 pm, "Kevsan AKA KJHanz" <sl...@willy.net> wrote:
> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4f6e3dbd-42e5-4c7a-86ec-a3d525bcd09d@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> snip
>
> > He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
> > matter.
>
> Chior Boy WOW thats a stretch
> KjH
>
>

Nobody said he's a chior boy except you.

"Frank Rizzo" <champ91917@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5ad46030-dc19-4678-a92c-093474211b7a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On May 8, 12:17 pm, "Kevsan AKA KJHanz" <sl...@willy.net> wrote:
>> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4f6e3dbd-42e5-4c7a-86ec-a3d525bcd09d@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> snip
>>
>> > He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
>> > matter.
>>
>> Chior Boy WOW thats a stretch
>> KjH
>>
>>
>
> Nobody said he's a chior boy except you.
Uh I didnt post he has been a chior boy; IMO BD is cancer and should be
treaed as such.
KjH

On May 9, 8:33 am, "Kevsan AKA KJHanz" <sl...@willy.net> wrote:
> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5ad46030-dc19-4678-a92c-093474211b7a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...> On May 8, 12:17 pm, "Kevsan AKA KJHanz" <sl...@willy.net> wrote:
> >> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4f6e3dbd-42e5-4c7a-86ec-a3d525bcd09d@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >> snip
>
> >> > He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
> >> > matter.
>
> >> Chior Boy WOW thats a stretch
> >> KjH
>
> > Nobody said he's a chior boy except you.
>
> Uh I didnt post he has been a chior boy; IMO BD is cancer and should be
> treaed as such.
> KjH

I said he's a choir boy in GS... He has been. You said chior, I
don't know what that is. You say he's a cancer. Latrell Sprewell was
a cancer. JR Rider was a cancer. AI, has been a cancer, though not
lately. Stephon Marbury is a cancer. I don't think you have a clue.

"Frank Rizzo" <champ91917@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a447c17e-267c-49f1-9b0f-3f950d67930c@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 8:33 am, "Kevsan AKA KJHanz" <sl...@willy.net> wrote:
>> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5ad46030-dc19-4678-a92c-093474211b7a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...>
>> On May 8, 12:17 pm, "Kevsan AKA KJHanz" <sl...@willy.net> wrote:
>> >> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:4f6e3dbd-42e5-4c7a-86ec-a3d525bcd09d@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> >> snip
>>
>> >> > He's been a choir boy in GS. As far as the cap room, that's another
>> >> > matter.
>>
>> >> Chior Boy WOW thats a stretch
>> >> KjH
>>
>> > Nobody said he's a chior boy except you.
>>
>> Uh I didnt post he has been a chior boy; IMO BD is cancer and should be
>> treaed as such.
>> KjH
>
> I said he's a choir boy in GS... He has been. You said chior, I
> don't know what that is. You say he's a cancer. Latrell Sprewell was
> a cancer. JR Rider was a cancer. AI, has been a cancer, though not
> lately. Stephon Marbury is a cancer. I don't think you have a clue.

I have a clue, just caint spell damnit. LOL. Anyways ask Byron Scott if you
want someones
opinion that actually matters. I reckon he would go cancer on BD. Since he
has actually gotten close to a title as
a coach well ya know. As far as in GS okay you win, non malignant tumor.
Seriously has the 12 year drought clouded the
vision of you and other Dub Fans? Nellis and BD are nothing special in terms
of what they bring to the table, I just really dont get
the love for these guys.
KjH
>

On May 6, 5:37 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 10:50 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 1, 12:59 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > If you're going to have preconceived notions about a player, you
> > > should really talk to people that know the guy, or meet him yourself.
> > > Remember OJ?  You never know unless you know.  Davis is actually one
> > > of the good ones.  My network is not that far removed from his and we
> > > have some folks in common.  Ask Paul Silas or Don Nelson or David
> > > Wesley, or PJ Brown, Steve Smith, Cash Warren, Jessica Alba, Kate
> > > Hudson, Austin Croshere, Mash, Mike Warren, Mully Steve Lavin, ,Magic,
> > > Rico Hines, etc.  Don't believe some newspaper hack who needs a story
> > > to hit a deadline and didn't get all the time he wanted...He isn't yet
> > > in the David Robinson category, but he's pretty good about giving to
> > > the community and staying out of trouble..
>
> > > Now if you want to say JR Rider, Ruben Patterson, Sheed, Isiah,
> > > Rodman, etc don't fit in, I'm buying it.....
>
> > > Rizzo
>
> > Actually Ruben Patterson has cleaned up his act considerably the last
> > 2 seasons.  Sheed has really been a new man since he went to the
> > Pistons.
>
> Sheed is fine and a good team player.  Patterson, too much baggage.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe, I don't know. I just remember reading a couple years ago that
he had went to AA and dropped his alcoholic habits. I thought his
baggage was pretty much in the past. I think the reputation has stuck
to him despite his efforts to grow up.

MACK DADDY wrote:

Patterson, too much baggage.-
>> Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Maybe, I don't know. I just remember reading a couple years ago that
> he had went to AA and dropped his alcoholic habits. I thought his
> baggage was pretty much in the past. I think the reputation has stuck
> to him despite his efforts to grow up.

Patterson is a registered sex offender....his wife finally divorced him....
and he is playing in turkey or somewhere...


--
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The league has informed the Blazers
that Wallace and the team will be fined the next
time Wallace ignores his responsibilities
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