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28-2

The two who voted against it?

Mark Cuban and our own, Paul Allen.

Although I suspect some of that had to do with him owning the Seahawks
and not burning that bridge.

Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080418/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_supersonics__future
>
> 28-2
>
> The two who voted against it?
>
> Mark Cuban and our own, Paul Allen.
>
> Although I suspect some of that had to do with him owning the Seahawks
> and not burning that bridge.

I think it is Seattle love in general.
PR wise it was the best thing in that city.
But he was the only one voting on his own interests since he may well get
TV rights for Seattle for the Blazers.
So props to PA.


--
Laurel T
When rats leave a sinking ship,
where exactly do they think they're going?"
- Douglas Gauck

On Apr 18, 3:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I feel bad for Seattle. They have a great tradition up there even
though the team lately hasn't been very good. Funny how those up in
the ivory tower in NY continually shit on the West. Hopefully Seattle
gets an expansion club in a few years.

Rizzo

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 18, 3:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I feel bad for Seattle.

Me too for the sonic fans. The city in general did not care... I hope they
win the law suit and make the team stay two years...let the ownership lose a
lot of money...

>They have a great tradition up there even
> though the team lately hasn't been very good. Funny how those up in
> the ivory tower in NY continually shit on the West.

13 western team owners voted for the move...

>Hopefully Seattle
> gets an expansion club in a few years.

They will not get another team any time soon to fill Key arena, nor will
another arena likely happen.


--
Laurel T
"Basketball players win basketball games,
"Athletes win track meets." Shane Battier

On Apr 19, 4:52 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Apr 18, 3:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel bad for Seattle.
>
> Me too for the sonic fans. The city in general did not care... I hope they
> win the law suit and make the team stay two years...let the ownership lose a
> lot of money...
>
> >They have a great tradition up there even
> > though the team lately hasn't been very good. Funny how those up in
> > the ivory tower in NY continually shit on the West.
>
> 13 western team owners voted for the move...
>
> >Hopefully Seattle
> > gets an expansion club in a few years.
>
> They will not get another team any time soon to fill Key arena, nor will
> another arena likely happen.



They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.

On Apr 19, 8:52 pm, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.

They might get the games on TV maybe, but the franchise ain't moving
to Seattle.

Even though this argument has been done to death and shown it is a
pointless one to try to argue in favor of, I'm going to point out that
it won't happen for the following reasons.

1. He (Paul Allen) just bought back the arena.

2. He'd be alienating the fanbase in Portland/Oregon that supported
the team.
Because having the Sonics leave Seattle (and him voting to keep them
there) opens the door for Seattle fans to coming onto the Blazers
bandwagon. Him moving the Blazers there closes one door (Oregon) and
opens up another one...at a substantial cost.

3. It'd cost him an assload of money (on top of just buying back the
arena, he'd have to pay the city and then build an arena in Seattle).

4. the NBA isn't going to move Portland considering the franchise A:
fixed the Arena issue B: has regained the fan-base C: has become NBA
darlings and D:is becoming a model again of what is right in the NBA.
So why would the NBA allow the team to move from a city where things
were fixed (to the NBA standards) to a city that just lost a team?

There are many other reasons why it won't happen (and I'm not sure if
you said it to be funny, or because you actually believe it). The NBA
can't afford to lose a franchise that has done all the things it said
needed to be done to repair the problems it caused. It would make the
NBA look even worse then they're already making themselves look by
allowing the Sonics to move.

Having the Blazers move to Seattle after they bought back the arena,
got the ROY, got the #1 pick, had Roy as an all star, had 30+ sell
outs (and look to be very close to being sold out all of next year)
AND improved 9 games without the services of both of their picks from
last year, including the #1 pick (a once in a generation center)?

Yah, that'll sure look good.

It sucks for Seattle, but they ain't getting our team. Ever.

On Apr 19, 8:52 pm, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 4:52 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > > On Apr 18, 3:11 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I feel bad for Seattle.
>
> > Me too for the sonic fans. The city in general did not care... I hope they
> > win the law suit and make the team stay two years...let the ownership lose a
> > lot of money...
>
> > >They have a great tradition up there even
> > > though the team lately hasn't been very good. Funny how those up in
> > > the ivory tower in NY continually shit on the West.
>
> > 13 western team owners voted for the move...
>
> > >Hopefully Seattle
> > > gets an expansion club in a few years.
>
> > They will not get another team any time soon to fill Key arena, nor will
> > another arena likely happen.
>
> They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.

On TV sure. In person, no way.

On Apr 19, 9:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 8:52 pm, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.
>
> They might get the games on TV maybe, but the franchise ain't moving
> to Seattle.
>
> Even though this argument has been done to death and shown it is a
> pointless one to try to argue in favor of, I'm going to point out that
> it won't happen for the following reasons.
>
> 1. He (Paul Allen) just bought back the arena.
>
> 2. He'd be alienating the fanbase in Portland/Oregon that supported
> the team.
> Because having the Sonics leave Seattle (and him voting to keep them
> there) opens the door for Seattle fans to coming onto the Blazers
> bandwagon. Him moving the Blazers there closes one door (Oregon) and
> opens up another one...at a substantial cost.
>
> 3. It'd cost him an assload of money (on top of just buying back the
> arena, he'd have to pay the city and then build an arena in Seattle).
>
> 4. the NBA isn't going to move Portland considering the franchise A:
> fixed the Arena issue B: has regained the fan-base C: has become NBA
> darlings and D:is becoming a model again of what is right in the NBA.
> So why would the NBA allow the team to move from a city where things
> were fixed (to the NBA standards) to a city that just lost a team?
>
> There are many other reasons why it won't happen (and I'm not sure if
> you said it to be funny, or because you actually believe it). The NBA
> can't afford to lose a franchise that has done all the things it said
> needed to be done to repair the problems it caused. It would make the
> NBA look even worse then they're already making themselves look by
> allowing the Sonics to move.
>
> Having the Blazers move to Seattle after they bought back the arena,
> got the ROY, got the #1 pick, had Roy as an all star, had 30+ sell
> outs (and look to be very close to being sold out all of next year)
> AND improved 9 games without the services of both of their picks from
> last year, including the #1 pick (a once in a generation center)?
>
> Yah, that'll sure look good.
>
> It sucks for Seattle, but they ain't getting our team. Ever.

From a GS fan, to us Blazer fans are some of the most passionate and
dedicated fans. Plus a great and new arena downtown area. No way they
move in the next 25 years anyway.

Rizzo

On Apr 19, 9:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.
>
> They might get the games on TV maybe, but the franchise ain't moving
> to Seattle.
>
> Even though this argument has been done to death and shown it is a
> pointless one to try to argue in favor of, I'm going to point out that
> it won't happen for the following reasons.
>
> 1. He (Paul Allen) just bought back the arena.
>
> 2. He'd be alienating the fanbase in Portland/Oregon that supported
> the team.
> Because having the Sonics leave Seattle (and him voting to keep them
> there) opens the door for Seattle fans to coming onto the Blazers
> bandwagon. Him moving the Blazers there closes one door (Oregon) and
> opens up another one...at a substantial cost.
>
> 3. It'd cost him an assload of money (on top of just buying back the
> arena, he'd have to pay the city and then build an arena in Seattle).
>
> 4. the NBA isn't going to move Portland considering the franchise A:
> fixed the Arena issue B: has regained the fan-base C: has become NBA
> darlings and D:is becoming a model again of what is right in the NBA.
> So why would the NBA allow the team to move from a city where things
> were fixed (to the NBA standards) to a city that just lost a team?
>
> There are many other reasons why it won't happen (and I'm not sure if
> you said it to be funny, or because you actually believe it). The NBA
> can't afford to lose a franchise that has done all the things it said
> needed to be done to repair the problems it caused. It would make the
> NBA look even worse then they're already making themselves look by
> allowing the Sonics to move.
>
> Having the Blazers move to Seattle after they bought back the arena,
> got the ROY, got the #1 pick, had Roy as an all star, had 30+ sell
> outs (and look to be very close to being sold out all of next year)
> AND improved 9 games without the services of both of their picks from
> last year, including the #1 pick (a once in a generation center)?
>
> Yah, that'll sure look good.
>
> It sucks for Seattle, but they ain't getting our team. Ever.




Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
Sonics stay in Seattle. And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
Portland too. But it ain't unfolding that way. The Sonics look to be
gone. So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure as a
Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
no sale. I'll tell you why.

Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times. Allen wanted
the Sonics first, second, and third. The Blazers were his 4th
choice. And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown. Plus, Seattle
is bigger and overall a better market. It won't likely happen
immediately. He'll likely wait a year or two. If the NBA doesn't
replace the Sonics after that time, he will.

Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
They don't. It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
Portland or Seattle. Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
beings that it's a much smaller TV market.

The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.

As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers. But with the
Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
Presto, no more empty arena.

So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
Let's just watch and see what happens.

Zeb Quinn wrote:
> On Apr 19, 9:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.
>>
>> They might get the games on TV maybe, but the franchise ain't moving
>> to Seattle.
>>
>> Even though this argument has been done to death and shown it is a
>> pointless one to try to argue in favor of, I'm going to point out
>> that it won't happen for the following reasons.
>>
>> 1. He (Paul Allen) just bought back the arena.
>>
>> 2. He'd be alienating the fanbase in Portland/Oregon that supported
>> the team.
>> Because having the Sonics leave Seattle (and him voting to keep them
>> there) opens the door for Seattle fans to coming onto the Blazers
>> bandwagon. Him moving the Blazers there closes one door (Oregon) and
>> opens up another one...at a substantial cost.
>>
>> 3. It'd cost him an assload of money (on top of just buying back the
>> arena, he'd have to pay the city and then build an arena in Seattle).
>>
>> 4. the NBA isn't going to move Portland considering the franchise A:
>> fixed the Arena issue B: has regained the fan-base C: has become NBA
>> darlings and D:is becoming a model again of what is right in the NBA.
>> So why would the NBA allow the team to move from a city where things
>> were fixed (to the NBA standards) to a city that just lost a team?
>>
>> There are many other reasons why it won't happen (and I'm not sure if
>> you said it to be funny, or because you actually believe it). The NBA
>> can't afford to lose a franchise that has done all the things it said
>> needed to be done to repair the problems it caused. It would make the
>> NBA look even worse then they're already making themselves look by
>> allowing the Sonics to move.
>>
>> Having the Blazers move to Seattle after they bought back the arena,
>> got the ROY, got the #1 pick, had Roy as an all star, had 30+ sell
>> outs (and look to be very close to being sold out all of next year)
>> AND improved 9 games without the services of both of their picks from
>> last year, including the #1 pick (a once in a generation center)?
>>
>> Yah, that'll sure look good.
>>
>> It sucks for Seattle, but they ain't getting our team. Ever.
>
>
>
>
> Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
> Sonics stay in Seattle. And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
> Portland too. But it ain't unfolding that way. The Sonics look to be
> gone. So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure as a
> Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
> no sale. I'll tell you why.
>
> Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
> in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
> Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times. Allen wanted
> the Sonics first, second, and third. The Blazers were his 4th
> choice.

That was 2 decades ago.
Even with that mess a couple of years ago he could not bring himself to sell
the team he has learned to love.
He could have had the sonics if he had and wanted to start over and build
them an arena.



> And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
> pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown. Plus, Seattle
> is bigger and overall a better market.

Two years ago with Portland against the team and the horrible arena
financial mess of his own creation having him put the team on the market I
agreed with you. If he kept them he would try to move them when Seattle
opened up. And they did look into it.
Now things in the Rose city are ...well rosey. The arena is sold out, rip
city is back and the arena profits are again his.
He bought back the arena which if he moves the team is an albrotross.


He loved Seattle when he saved the Seahawks...but he bought them with an
option that required public taxes supporting building a new stadium. We
already know they how that goes with building a new arena in Seattle, they
would not for their own team and even most of the sonic fans will not want
the Blazers.
The fan base is here and back, they are not selling out even the Key if they
move to Seattle.


>It won't likely happen
> immediately. He'll likely wait a year or two. If the NBA doesn't
> replace the Sonics after that time, he will.

It might have been worth while to try to get out of the city contract when
they were losing money hand over fist but now the city can make them stay
another 15 years no problem.
>
> Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
> They don't. It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
> Portland or Seattle. Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
> beings that it's a much smaller TV market.

There is no reason why the comittee would even recommend letting him move to
get it to a vote.
They have a set of criteria and the Blazers barely met it with the mess it
was before he bopught back the arena.

>
> The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.

Which helps your case how?

>
> As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
> NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
> reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
> entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers. But with the
> Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
> Presto, no more empty arena.

A hockey team would lose money for many years. They would have to get a
sweetheart deal to stay in the arena and guess who owns the arena...

>
> So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
> Let's just watch and see what happens.

He had the chance...he bought back the arena, kept the team because he is
first a fan...
Why would he throw away all he achieved over the last few years and blow it
up?

It no longer makes sense to move.

On Apr 20, 11:30 am, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
> Sonics stay in Seattle. And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
> Portland too. But it ain't unfolding that way. The Sonics look to be
> gone. So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure as a
> Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
> no sale. I'll tell you why.

Good. I'm hoping someone who isn't up to date on Portland can tell me.

> Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
> in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
> Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times. Allen wanted
> the Sonics first, second, and third. The Blazers were his 4th
> choice.

Yah, 20+ years ago. He had a chance to buy them since then (oh, like
when he was trying to sell the Blazers recently and the Sonics were
for sale..honestly, you don't think the NBA would have done something
to engineer a swap?)

And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
> pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown. Plus, Seattle
> is bigger and overall a better market.

actually, the Seattle market isn't better overall. They have a min of
3 other teams to battle with, and haven't been as loyal to the sonics
(or mariner, or seahawks) as have Blazer fans or the market here.

It won't likely happen
> immediately. He'll likely wait a year or two. If the NBA doesn't
> replace the Sonics after that time, he will.

you are so full of shit here, it's not even funny. He just fucking
bought back the arena, and at not a cheap price.
>
> Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
> They don't. It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
> Portland or Seattle. Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
> beings that it's a much smaller TV market.

so thats why they are allowing the sonics to leave and Stern never
said as many bad things about the chances of Portland keeping the team
as he did about Seattle?

> The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.

I agree with that actually. But it's highly more likely that Seattle
will accept the Portland Trail Blazers, than the Blazers will move up
north. Like, 1000 times more likely.

Plus, if the Mariners and Seahawks are forced down our throats, they
can have a little taste of their own arrogance.

> As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
> NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
> reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
> entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers. But with the
> Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
> Presto, no more empty arena.

too bad that would totally fail. Do you honestly think that if Paul
Allen took OUR team up to Seattle that ANYONE would support an NHL
team either owned by him or brought over here because of him?

Please.
>
> So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
> Let's just watch and see what happens.

Too bad it ain't happening. I thought this ignorant crap stopped once
he bought back the arena and basically made it a financial nightmare
to move the team.

On Apr 19, 9:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 8:52 pm, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.
>
> They might get the games on TV maybe, but the franchise ain't moving
> to Seattle.
>
> Even though this argument has been done to death and shown it is a
> pointless one to try to argue in favor of, I'm going to point out that
> it won't happen for the following reasons.
>
> 1. He (Paul Allen) just bought back the arena.
>
> 2. He'd be alienating the fanbase in Portland/Oregon that supported
> the team.
> Because having the Sonics leave Seattle (and him voting to keep them
> there) opens the door for Seattle fans to coming onto the Blazers
> bandwagon. Him moving the Blazers there closes one door (Oregon) and
> opens up another one...at a substantial cost.
>
> 3. It'd cost him an assload of money (on top of just buying back the
> arena, he'd have to pay the city and then build an arena in Seattle).
>
> 4. the NBA isn't going to move Portland considering the franchise A:
> fixed the Arena issue B: has regained the fan-base  C: has become NBA
> darlings and D:is becoming a model again of what is right in the NBA.
> So why would the NBA allow the team to move from a city where things
> were fixed (to the NBA standards) to a city that just lost a team?
>
> There are many other reasons why it won't happen (and I'm not sure if
> you said it to be funny, or because you actually believe it). The NBA
> can't afford to lose a franchise that has done all the things it said
> needed to be done to repair the problems it caused. It would make the
> NBA look even worse then they're already making themselves look by
> allowing the Sonics to move.
>
> Having the Blazers move to Seattle after they bought back the arena,
> got the ROY, got the #1 pick, had Roy as an all star, had 30+ sell
> outs (and look to be very close to being sold out all of next year)
> AND improved 9 games without the services of both of their picks from
> last year, including the #1 pick (a once in a generation center)?
>
> Yah, that'll sure look good.
>
> It sucks for Seattle, but they ain't getting our team. Ever.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't see the Blazers moving to Seattle, except for puting their
games on tv in the Seattle market. I could envision the Blazers
possibly playing 5 to 10 games a year in Seattle simply to help
capture that market. But moving, no!

On Apr 20, 11:30 am, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 9:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > They're gonna get the blazers is what they're gonna get.
>
> > They might get the games on TV maybe, but the franchise ain't moving
> > to Seattle.
>
> > Even though this argument has been done to death and shown it is a
> > pointless one to try to argue in favor of, I'm going to point out that
> > it won't happen for the following reasons.
>
> > 1. He (Paul Allen) just bought back the arena.
>
> > 2. He'd be alienating the fanbase in Portland/Oregon that supported
> > the team.
> > Because having the Sonics leave Seattle (and him voting to keep them
> > there) opens the door for Seattle fans to coming onto the Blazers
> > bandwagon. Him moving the Blazers there closes one door (Oregon) and
> > opens up another one...at a substantial cost.
>
> > 3. It'd cost him an assload of money (on top of just buying back the
> > arena, he'd have to pay the city and then build an arena in Seattle).
>
> > 4. the NBA isn't going to move Portland considering the franchise A:
> > fixed the Arena issue B: has regained the fan-base  C: has become NBA
> > darlings and D:is becoming a model again of what is right in the NBA.
> > So why would the NBA allow the team to move from a city where things
> > were fixed (to the NBA standards) to a city that just lost a team?
>
> > There are many other reasons why it won't happen (and I'm not sure if
> > you said it to be funny, or because you actually believe it). The NBA
> > can't afford to lose a franchise that has done all the things it said
> > needed to be done to repair the problems it caused. It would make the
> > NBA look even worse then they're already making themselves look by
> > allowing the Sonics to move.
>
> > Having the Blazers move to Seattle after they bought back the arena,
> > got the ROY, got the #1 pick, had Roy as an all star, had 30+ sell
> > outs (and look to be very close to being sold out all of next year)
> > AND improved 9 games without the services of both of their picks from
> > last year, including the #1 pick (a once in a generation center)?
>
> > Yah, that'll sure look good.
>
> > It sucks for Seattle, but they ain't getting our team. Ever.
>
> Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
> Sonics stay in Seattle.  And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
> Portland too.  But it ain't unfolding that way.  The Sonics look to be
> gone.  So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure as a
> Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
> no sale.  I'll tell you why.
>
> Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
> in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
> Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times.  Allen wanted
> the Sonics first, second, and third.  The Blazers were his 4th
> choice.  And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
> pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown.  Plus, Seattle
> is bigger and overall a better market.  It won't likely happen
> immediately.  He'll likely wait a year or two.  If the NBA doesn't
> replace the Sonics after that time, he will.
>
> Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
> They don't.  It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
> Portland or Seattle.  Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
> beings that it's a much smaller TV market.
>
> The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.
>
> As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
> NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
> reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
> entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers.  But with the
> Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
> Presto, no more empty arena.
>
> So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
> Let's just watch and see what happens.- Hide quoted text -
>
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I think it's laughable that you don't believe people in the Seattle
area will start rooting for the Blazers. And it's falling-down-funny
that you think Seattle fans will root for the Oklahomo Okies!

On Apr 20, 2:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 11:30 am, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
> > Sonics stay in Seattle.  And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
> > Portland too.  But it ain't unfolding that way.  The Sonics look to be
> > gone.  So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure as a
> > Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
> > no sale.  I'll tell you why.
>
> Good. I'm hoping someone who isn't up to date on Portland can tell me.
>
> > Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
> > in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
> > Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times.  Allen wanted
> > the Sonics first, second, and third.  The Blazers were his 4th
> > choice.
>
> Yah, 20+ years ago. He had a chance to buy them since then (oh, like
> when he was trying to sell the Blazers recently and the Sonics were
> for sale..honestly, you don't think the NBA would have done something
> to engineer a swap?)
>
>  And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
>
> > pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown.  Plus, Seattle
> > is bigger and overall a better market.
>
> actually, the Seattle market isn't better overall. They have a min of
> 3 other teams to battle with, and haven't been as loyal to the sonics
> (or mariner, or seahawks) as have Blazer fans or the market here.
>
>   It won't likely happen
>
> > immediately.  He'll likely wait a year or two.  If the NBA doesn't
> > replace the Sonics after that time, he will.
>
> you are so full of shit here, it's not even funny. He just fucking
> bought back the arena, and at not a cheap price.
>
>
>
> > Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
> > They don't.  It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
> > Portland or Seattle.  Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
> > beings that it's a much smaller TV market.
>
> so thats why they are allowing the sonics to leave and Stern never
> said as many bad things about the chances of Portland keeping the team
> as he did about Seattle?
>
> > The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.
>
> I agree with that actually. But it's highly more likely that Seattle
> will accept the Portland Trail Blazers, than the Blazers will move up
> north. Like, 1000 times more likely.
>
> Plus, if the Mariners and Seahawks are forced down our throats, they
> can have a little taste of their own arrogance.
>
> > As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
> > NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
> > reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
> > entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers.  But with the
> > Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
> > Presto, no more empty arena.
>
> too bad that would totally fail. Do you honestly think that if Paul
> Allen took OUR team up to Seattle that ANYONE would support an NHL
> team either owned by him or brought over here because of him?
>
> Please.
>
>
>
> > So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
> > Let's just watch and see what happens.
>
> Too bad it ain't happening. I thought this ignorant crap stopped once
> he bought back the arena and basically made it a financial nightmare
> to move the team.

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You are truly pathetic if you think Seattle area fans are gonna
continue to support Gay Bennetts Oklahoma Okies.

On Apr 20, 9:58 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 11:30 am, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
> > > Sonics stay in Seattle. And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
> > > Portland too. But it ain't unfolding that way. The Sonics look to be
> > > gone. So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure as a
> > > Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
> > > no sale. I'll tell you why.
>
> > Good. I'm hoping someone who isn't up to date on Portland can tell me.
>
> > > Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
> > > in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
> > > Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times. Allen wanted
> > > the Sonics first, second, and third. The Blazers were his 4th
> > > choice.
>
> > Yah, 20+ years ago. He had a chance to buy them since then (oh, like
> > when he was trying to sell the Blazers recently and the Sonics were
> > for sale..honestly, you don't think the NBA would have done something
> > to engineer a swap?)
>
> > And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
>
> > > pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown. Plus, Seattle
> > > is bigger and overall a better market.
>
> > actually, the Seattle market isn't better overall. They have a min of
> > 3 other teams to battle with, and haven't been as loyal to the sonics
> > (or mariner, or seahawks) as have Blazer fans or the market here.
>
> > It won't likely happen
>
> > > immediately. He'll likely wait a year or two. If the NBA doesn't
> > > replace the Sonics after that time, he will.
>
> > you are so full of shit here, it's not even funny. He just fucking
> > bought back the arena, and at not a cheap price.
>
> > > Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
> > > They don't. It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
> > > Portland or Seattle. Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
> > > beings that it's a much smaller TV market.
>
> > so thats why they are allowing the sonics to leave and Stern never
> > said as many bad things about the chances of Portland keeping the team
> > as he did about Seattle?
>
> > > The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.
>
> > I agree with that actually. But it's highly more likely that Seattle
> > will accept the Portland Trail Blazers, than the Blazers will move up
> > north. Like, 1000 times more likely.
>
> > Plus, if the Mariners and Seahawks are forced down our throats, they
> > can have a little taste of their own arrogance.
>
> > > As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
> > > NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
> > > reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
> > > entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers. But with the
> > > Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
> > > Presto, no more empty arena.
>
> > too bad that would totally fail. Do you honestly think that if Paul
> > Allen took OUR team up to Seattle that ANYONE would support an NHL
> > team either owned by him or brought over here because of him?
>
> > Please.
>
> > > So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
> > > Let's just watch and see what happens.
>
> > Too bad it ain't happening. I thought this ignorant crap stopped once
> > he bought back the arena and basically made it a financial nightmare
> > to move the team.
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You are truly pathetic if you think Seattle area fans are gonna
> continue to support Gay Bennetts Oklahoma Okies.

I assume you aren't talking to me?

Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> On Apr 20, 9:58 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:

>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> You are truly pathetic if you think Seattle area fans are gonna
>> continue to support Gay Bennetts Oklahoma Okies.
>
> I assume you aren't talking to me?

I have said before that some will keep rooting for the team after they move.
At least for awhile. MD thinks one size fits all...


--
Laurel T
A coach after being informed, that like
players, their drug tests would include
banned performance enhancing drugs:
"Does that include Viagra?"

On Apr 21, 3:58 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 9:58 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:50 pm, Blazer Fan Dan <BlazerFan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 11:30 am, Zeb Quinn <nastyg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Given his druthers right now, I'm sure that Allen would prefer the
> > > > Sonics stay in Seattle.  And I'm sure he wants to stay loyal to
> > > > Portland too.  But it ain't unfolding that way.  The Sonics lookto be
> > > > gone.  So while you make somewhat of a good pitch, and I'm sure asa
> > > > Blazers fan it gets you through the night to believe it true, but it's
> > > > no sale.  I'll tell you why.
>
> > > Good. I'm hoping someone who isn't up to date on Portland can tell me.
>
> > > > Basically it's because he's a Seattleite, and I'm sure that way back
> > > > in 1988 before he even knew Larry Weinberg's phone number he Barry
> > > > Ackerley's memorized, and had called him numerous times.  Allen wanted
> > > > the Sonics first, second, and third.  The Blazers were his 4th
> > > > choice.
>
> > > Yah, 20+ years ago. He had a chance to buy them since then (oh, like
> > > when he was trying to sell the Blazers recently and the Sonics were
> > > for sale..honestly, you don't think the NBA would have done something
> > > to engineer a swap?)
>
> > >  And while he may feel some degree of loyalty to Portland, it
>
> > > > pales in comparison to what he feels for his hometown.  Plus, Seattle
> > > > is bigger and overall a better market.
>
> > > actually, the Seattle market isn't better overall. They have a min of
> > > 3 other teams to battle with, and haven't been as loyal to the sonics
> > > (or mariner, or seahawks) as have Blazer fans or the market here.
>
> > >   It won't likely happen
>
> > > > immediately.  He'll likely wait a year or two.  If the NBA doesn't
> > > > replace the Sonics after that time, he will.
>
> > > you are so full of shit here, it's not even funny. He just fucking
> > > bought back the arena, and at not a cheap price.
>
> > > > Don't fool yourself into thinking the NBA cares about the Blazers.
> > > > They don't.  It doesn't matter to the NBA which city gets the shaft,
> > > > Portland or Seattle.  Actually, they'd probably prefer it be Portland,
> > > > beings that it's a much smaller TV market.
>
> > > so thats why they are allowing the sonics to leave and Stern never
> > > said as many bad things about the chances of Portland keeping the team
> > > as he did about Seattle?
>
> > > > The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable..
>
> > > I agree with that actually. But it's highly more likely that Seattle
> > > will accept the Portland Trail Blazers, than the Blazers will move up
> > > north. Like, 1000 times more likely.
>
> > > Plus, if the Mariners and Seahawks are forced down our throats, they
> > > can have a little taste of their own arrogance.
>
> > > > As for the arena, it's been Allen who has been chasing away all those
> > > > NHL opportunities attracted by the Rose Garden and Portland's
> > > > reputation as a good hockey town, because he didn't want the
> > > > entertainment dollar competition up against the Blazers.  But withthe
> > > > Blazers gone, he might move an NHL franchise in there lickity-split.
> > > > Presto, no more empty arena.
>
> > > too bad that would totally fail. Do you honestly think that if Paul
> > > Allen took OUR team up to Seattle that ANYONE would support an NHL
> > > team either owned by him or brought over here because of him?
>
> > > Please.
>
> > > > So all in all, I say he'll move the Blazers if he gets a chance.
> > > > Let's just watch and see what happens.
>
> > > Too bad it ain't happening. I thought this ignorant crap stopped once
> > > he bought back the arena and basically made it a financial nightmare
> > > to move the team.
>
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > You are truly pathetic if you think Seattle area fans are gonna
> > continue to support Gay Bennetts Oklahoma Okies.
>
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I'm talking to you if you think Seattle people supporting the Blazers
now that we lost the Sonics is laughable.

On Apr 21, 5:51 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 9:58 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> You are truly pathetic if you think Seattle area fans are gonna
> >> continue to support Gay Bennetts Oklahoma Okies.
>
> > I assume you aren't talking to me?
>
> I have said before that some will keep rooting for the team after they move.
> At least for awhile.  MD thinks one size fits all...
>
> --
> Laurel T
> A coach after being informed, that like
>  players, their drug tests would  include
>  banned performance  enhancing drugs:
> "Does that include Viagra?"

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I know lots of Basketball fans in Seattle, Tacoma, Everett area. Not
one of them will support the team in Oklahoma, and most have already
stopped supporting the team simply because Clay Bennett sucks.

On Apr 21, 8:14 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:

> > > > > The idea that people in Seattle will become Blazer fans is laughable.
>
> > > > I agree with that actually. But it's highly more likely that Seattle
> > > > will accept the Portland Trail Blazers, than the Blazers will move up
> > > > north. Like, 1000 times more likely.
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>
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> I'm talking to you if you think Seattle people supporting the Blazers
> now that we lost the Sonics is laughable.

My point was that it was more likely they'd become fans than the team
moved.