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"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exists1@Earth1.net> wrote in message
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> according to wfaa
>

I think the trade is actually slightly *worse* for Dallas now (and I think
it was already bad), in that they are giving up Hassell instead of George.
Hassell is a good defender and I think an overall solid player, the kind of
guy I'd trust more than George. Since the return of Stackhouse was
apparently a done deal, that doesn't seem to affect anything, this will just
cost the Mavs more $$ to pull off.

As a Laker fan, I'm glad to see that Cuban was undaunted in his desire to
see this one through. What do Mavs fans think of this one?

brink

its nothing the mavs cant pick up later... players starve to come to dallas
where cuban takes care of his players...




"brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exists1@Earth1.net> wrote in message
> news:Dxquj.588$kI4.577@trnddc05...
>> according to wfaa
>>
>
> I think the trade is actually slightly *worse* for Dallas now (and I think
> it was already bad), in that they are giving up Hassell instead of George.
> Hassell is a good defender and I think an overall solid player, the kind
> of guy I'd trust more than George. Since the return of Stackhouse was
> apparently a done deal, that doesn't seem to affect anything, this will
> just cost the Mavs more $$ to pull off.
>
> As a Laker fan, I'm glad to see that Cuban was undaunted in his desire to
> see this one through. What do Mavs fans think of this one?
>
> brink

"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exists1@Earth1.net> wrote in message
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> according to wfaa

Everything I've heard says that it will not be completed until tomorrow. NBA
officials were still in-transit from the all-star game to tackle with the
contract
today. Have you heard something that THE NBA itself signed off? I've been
checking and all sources keep saying the deal is tentative---not completed.

Del

"brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exists1@Earth1.net> wrote in message
> news:Dxquj.588$kI4.577@trnddc05...
>> according to wfaa
>>
>
> I think the trade is actually slightly *worse* for Dallas now (and I think
> it was already bad), in that they are giving up Hassell instead of George.
> Hassell is a good defender and I think an overall solid player, the kind
> of guy I'd trust more than George. Since the return of Stackhouse was
> apparently a done deal, that doesn't seem to affect anything, this will
> just cost the Mavs more $$ to pull off.
>
> As a Laker fan, I'm glad to see that Cuban was undaunted in his desire to
> see this one through. What do Mavs fans think of this one?

George is a pretty good defender. His offense has been stinking lately,
but he is not a bad defender. He seems to have never recovered from
his injury last year. I recall a game last year where he was put on a very
hot Tracy McGrady (20 points in 1 Qtr), and shut him down the rest
of the way. Like I said that was last year.

This trade is as much about the Nets wanting to get rid of Kidd as well
as Cuban wanting him too.

I'm on board with the trade, IF--IF the Mavs change their offense
somewhat. Kidd is most effective when several players are
funneling to the board. You can call it "crashing the boards,"
or "finishing." If the Mavs go sissy, and they all (Josh, Jett, and
Dirk) don't go in, and just settle behind the 3 point line waiting
for a pass from Kidd, then the trade will not help much. Kidd,
I believe will FORCE MOVEMENT by all players. Jett
never was, nor ever will be a point guard. He is a good shooter,
but the world's worst point guard. He is just awful there.
Avery, Avery, PLEEEZE take the ball out of Jett's and Stacks
hands. Just shoot, leave the ball handling to Kidd! I think
an athletic Bass will be one of the top beneficiaries of Kidd.

They say Kidd is old. However he is active and plays. Harris
is young, but he gets injured as much as an old man. What
good is his youth if he is always inactive?

The bad side? No Diop. I think the Mavs with the old
lineup was a better match for playing the Spurs. Harris
could counter Tony Parker, and Diop always seem to play well
against the Spurs. The refs always favor Duncan against
Damp. Damp could foul out in the 1st Qtr against big
centers. What now? I don't know anything about this
other guy coming from the Nets. Putting Dirk at the 5
will be another disaster as in prior years if they try
this on the defensive end.

The new line-up is a better match-up against the
Warriors, and the Suns (I think). Kidd is kind
of tough, and will not allow the Golden Staters
to push around the Mavs.

Del

"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" wrote:
>
> according to wfaa

You might want to add some info here, like who is getting traded for whom?
Lots of rumors floating about this week, you know.

Similarly, "team wins" won't be a great headline tomorrow night.

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"Del Stanley" <dgstan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> George is a pretty good defender. His offense has been stinking lately,
> but he is not a bad defender. He seems to have never recovered from
> his injury last year. I recall a game last year where he was put on a very
> hot Tracy McGrady (20 points in 1 Qtr), and shut him down the rest
> of the way. Like I said that was last year.
>
> This trade is as much about the Nets wanting to get rid of Kidd as well
> as Cuban wanting him too.
>
> I'm on board with the trade, IF--IF the Mavs change their offense
> somewhat. Kidd is most effective when several players are
> funneling to the board. You can call it "crashing the boards,"
> or "finishing." If the Mavs go sissy, and they all (Josh, Jett, and
> Dirk) don't go in, and just settle behind the 3 point line waiting
> for a pass from Kidd, then the trade will not help much. Kidd,
> I believe will FORCE MOVEMENT by all players. Jett
> never was, nor ever will be a point guard. He is a good shooter,
> but the world's worst point guard. He is just awful there.
> Avery, Avery, PLEEEZE take the ball out of Jett's and Stacks
> hands. Just shoot, leave the ball handling to Kidd! I think
> an athletic Bass will be one of the top beneficiaries of Kidd.
>
> They say Kidd is old. However he is active and plays. Harris
> is young, but he gets injured as much as an old man. What
> good is his youth if he is always inactive?
>
> The bad side? No Diop. I think the Mavs with the old
> lineup was a better match for playing the Spurs. Harris
> could counter Tony Parker, and Diop always seem to play well
> against the Spurs. The refs always favor Duncan against
> Damp. Damp could foul out in the 1st Qtr against big
> centers. What now? I don't know anything about this
> other guy coming from the Nets. Putting Dirk at the 5
> will be another disaster as in prior years if they try
> this on the defensive end.
>
> The new line-up is a better match-up against the
> Warriors, and the Suns (I think). Kidd is kind
> of tough, and will not allow the Golden Staters
> to push around the Mavs.

That's a pretty even-handed analysis, even if I don't necessarily agree with
all your conclusions you make good arguments. I happen to agree about your
note on Diop, the depth at 5 just took a major hit and yes, the Mavs will
miss Diop against the Spurs and Lakers. Dampier is a pretty good defender
but very foul prone esp against a team like the Spurs. Who subs for him
when he goes to the pine in foul trouble -- which is often?

brink

Gary Collard wrote:
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" wrote:
>>
>> according to wfaa
>
> You might want to add some info here, like who is getting traded for
> whom? Lots of rumors floating about this week, you know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3252409

Those details: Kidd and forward Malik Allen will be going to Dallas for
24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, center DeSagana Diop, swingman Trenton
Hassell, guard Maurice Ager, Van Horn via sign-and-trade, first-round picks
this June and in 2010 and $3 million in cash. In a separate transaction,
Dallas will acquire Antoine Wright for a second-round pick.

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On Feb 18, 6:46 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
wrote:
> its nothing the mavs cant pick up later... players starve to come to dallas
> where cuban takes care of his players...

how do they starve when dallas has the biggest payroll in the nba?

mark my words. dallas is done. a desparate move that does not even
make sense. kidd cant' guard anybody. and they got no diop now either.

dave

"Dave McNulla" <mcnulla@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 18, 6:46 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
> wrote:
>> its nothing the mavs cant pick up later... players starve to come to dallas
>> where cuban takes care of his players...
>
> how do they starve when dallas has the biggest payroll in the nba?
>
> mark my words. dallas is done. a desparate move that does not even
> make sense. kidd cant' guard anybody. and they got no diop now either.

co-sign...

> how do they starve when dallas has the biggest payroll in the nba?

I thought the Knicks had the largest payroll in the NBA.

> mark my words. dallas is done. a desparate move that does not even
> make sense. kidd cant' guard anybody. and they got no diop now either.

I also didn't think the trade improves Dallas. The only thing Kidd
adds is leadership. Whether that makes up for losing Diop and Harris
is to be seen but I think they will miss both.

If they could have just signed and traded Van Horn plus a couple picks
to NJ for Kidd then it would have been a big win for Dallas.

On Feb 22, 1:13 pm, pauls2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I also didn't think the trade improves Dallas. The only thing Kidd
> adds is leadership. Whether that makes up for losing Diop and Harris
> is to be seen but I think they will miss both.
>
> If they could have just signed and traded Van Horn plus a couple picks
> to NJ for Kidd then it would have been a big win for Dallas.


If Cuban gave up 2 first round draft picks BOTH unprotected, then
yes...I would agree...if the money worked out. BUT Rod Thorn insisted
that any deal will include Harris. And Cuban insisted that one of the
first round picks be protected. So the deal was what it was...both
sides need to make compromises to get a deal done. There is no use
saying woulda, coulda, shoulda. Especially with Van Horn being semi-
retired already. Rod Thorn wanted more than just draft picks for
Kidd.

Kidd adds the experience at PG that Harris didn't have. Now to get
that, your giving up years. But let's not think Kidd is some over-the-
hill player who's going to cost the team wins. Let's also understand
that the teams winning championships are not all young. The teams
winning titles have some experience and age on it. Kidd makes the
players around him better, while kicking in triple doubles by
himself. Yes he's lost a step while defending, yet do you think guys
like Terry, Nowitski, and Howard are sad to get Kidd? No, because it
means more opportunities they didn't have. Kidd is going to make
Dallas faster by improving the Transition numbers. Like he did for
NJ. It will also improve Kidd's assist numbers as he won't fear
Carter missing open jumpers, and Boone with his butterfingers missing
passes.

And let's be honest Diop is nothing more than a block player. He
doesn't contribute ANYTHING other than blocks. He'll stay on the
bench for Jersey because Boone has more upside...that is saying
something.

Grimm-RHD

On Feb 22, 10:13 am, pauls2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > how do they starve when dallas has the biggest payroll in the nba?
>
> I thought the Knicks had the largest payroll in the NBA.

they did, past tense.

> > mark my words. dallas is done. a desparate move that does not even
> > make sense. kidd cant' guard anybody. and they got no diop now either.
>
> I also didn't think the trade improves Dallas. The only thing Kidd
> adds is leadership. Whether that makes up for losing Diop and Harris
> is to be seen but I think they will miss both.
>
> If they could have just signed and traded Van Horn plus a couple picks
> to NJ for Kidd then it would have been a big win for Dallas.

if they could have kept harris or diop, it would have been much better
for them.

dave

"Dave McNulla" <mcnulla@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 18, 6:46 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
> wrote:
>> its nothing the mavs cant pick up later... players starve to come to
>> dallas
>> where cuban takes care of his players...
>
> how do they starve when dallas has the biggest payroll in the nba?
>

interesting point. Maybe he's talking about overall inflation noted as eg
in this article?


by Alan Caruba
theconssrvativevoice.com
March 13, 2008 02:00 PM EST

A history professor of mine once said that, "No nation is more than
two weeks away from a revolution if it cannot provide food to its
citizens."

During the mini-ice age between 1300 and 1850, the weather was so
awful that it killed off food crops and, in particular, wheat, a
staple of the diet of the poor in France and elsewhere. Lack of bread
was enough to trigger the French Revolution and the end of the
monarchy. Ironically, it put Napoleon in power and it was the same
mini-ice age that decimated his troops when he invaded Russia. Most
froze to death on the trek back to La Belle France.

The word in America these days is that food prices are soaring with
increases at double-digit rates. There are two places where people
notice a rise in costs. One is food. The other is at the gas pump. The
average household spends three times as much for food as for gasoline.
It accounts for 13 percent of household spending as compared with
about 4 percent for gas.

Pay no attention to the folks telling you that Big Oil is making
unconscionable profits. ExxonMobil's profits, despite its earnings,
have remained around 10 percent for years. It's a very expensive
business, finding, extracting, refining, and transporting oil and gas.

The price of oil is being bid up beyond all reason by the speculators
in the commodities markets. It has nothing to do with the availability
of oil. The oil producing countries that control over 70 percent of
the known reserves are telling you the truth when they say there's
enough. If you were them, would you go out of your way to drive the
price down? I didn't think so.

The other component of high food prices is also related to the pain at
the pump. It's ethanol, a gasoline additive made primarily from corn
and soy. The government passed a law that it must be part of every
gallon of gas you buy in order to reduce so-called greenhouse gas
emissions in order to save the Earth from global warming.

Only there isn't any global warming except for the one degree
Fahrenheit the Earth has warmed since the end of the last mini-ice
age. No dramatically rising ocean levels. No massive melting of
glaciers and ice shelves. In fact, if you've been paying any attention
to the news lately, the United States and the rest of the world have
been encountering some horrendous blizzards. There's been more snow in
more places than in the memory of many people.

When the government creates a subsidized market, farmers take note.
Even wheat farmers decide to plant corn instead. That means less wheat
and that increases the cost of bread and other wheat products. Since
the corn is being burned for fuel instead of used as food, that drives
of the cost of some 3,000 uses that are derived from corn.

Oil has hit $107 per barrel. Food prices have jumped from 25 to 40
percent. All of this is the result of artificial actions that have
nothing to do with supply and demand, and everything to do with greedy
Wall Street behavior (now there's a surprise) and astonishingly stupid
legislative policies based on bad and false science.

Americans are being screwed by their own government. It's being led by
a President who insists we are "addicted" to oil and a Congress that
will not permit the exploration or extraction of the oil we have, so
we have to import most of it.

It is a Congress whose leadership such as Rep. Pelosi, Sen. Reid, Sen.
Boxer, Sen. Lieberman, and others keep lying about global warming.
Sen. Hillary Clinton wants to seize oil company profits and spend it
in some fashion, presumably not to find any new oil. Sen. McCain is a
global warming believer, too. All of these people are a danger to the
future of this nation and there doesn't appear to be a damn thing we
can do about it.

Thanks to them, life for Americans is going to get more expensive.