View Full Version : KOBE RANTS AGAIN, IS SHOT OPEN FOR KNICKS???


777
06-19-2007, 12:43 PM
If you have disposable income, an insatiable appetite for Kobe Bryant
news, and exceedingly poor judgment, you apparently can pony up a few
bucks to purchase a video of Kobe venting about how he wants out of
Los Angeles.

Or, you can save your hard-earned dough for a No. 24 Knicks or Bulls
jersey and just take Kobe at his word all over the free media that he
wants to be traded. He has made that abundantly clear, and based upon
developments over the weekend - and more sure to come - it seems there
aren't too many more ways that Kobe can say to the Lakers, "Trade me."

The alleged Kobe video - those in the know who have seen it vouch that
it's him venting outside a Newport Beach, Calif., deli - is only the
latest bizarre turn in a story that is not going away.

It is not going away because Kobe doesn't want it to. And even from
his current perch in Barcelona, Spain, Kobe holds all the cards
because he is the only player in the league with a no-trade clause.

He is doing exactly what I thought he would do. He is carefully
escalating his trade request toward the next phase, known as a trade
demand.

His "road ahead" rant, posted May 30 on his Web site, www.kb24.com,
popped up again over the weekend. It's been getting reposted
periodically with a new date, and it fooled a lot of people Sunday,
when it was reported as fresh news.

That it wasn't technically new isn't the point. The fact is, Kobe
keeps putting it out there, for all to see.

In it, Bryant wrote, "The Lakers and me just have two different
visions for the future." Kobe and his agent, Rob Pelinka, aren't
elaborating for now. Pelinka last surfaced Friday, when he told
ESPN.com: "Kobe's position remains unchanged. Kobe would like to be
moved."

That's what Bryant told Lakers owner Jerry Buss when the two met
Friday in Barcelona. As anyone could've figured out, the top two teams
on his list are the Knicks and Bulls - though not necessarily in that
order. According to one report yesterday, Phoenix also is in play,
although the Lakers would want him out of the West.

Knicks coach and president Isiah Thomas, who has rabbit ears for all
things Kobe, said yesterday on 1050 ESPN Radio that he's continuing to
monitor the situation.

"When a team is having problems with their players, you keep your eye
on that around the league," Thomas said. "But you're not necessarily
trying to instigate a fire."

The Lakers have maintained publicly that they have no intention of
trading Bryant. As of yesterday, there had been no discussions with
the Knicks or anyone else about doing so.

No surprise there. The desperation factor would only lower Kobe's
trade value, so they are going to stick to their story as long as they
can.

But the concept of Bryant returning to L.A. after publicly ripping the
entire organization is "kind of nutty," said one person connected to
the Kobe saga. "It seems like there's so much under the bridge, how
can he come back?"

That's the question that will play out by the June 28 draft, if not
sooner, if Kobe decides to push his agenda even harder.

You may not think the Knicks have much to offer the Lakers. One of the
latest theories is that he believes the Bulls would give him a better
chance to compete for a title than the Knicks. Not sure I agree, but
Kobe doesn't need to hear my argument. He can listen to Isiah make the
same one if and when this situation escalates to the point of no
return.

If that happens, Isiah's captive audience will be an impressionable,
28-year-old, nine-time All-Star who wants to join him in the Hall of
Fame, win a few more rings, and write a legacy that includes being a
champion on the two biggest stages in basketball.

"As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
broadcast yesterday.

I don't know about you, but I'd at least like to hear Kobe's rebuttal
when Isiah tells him the following: If LeBron James can get to the
Finals with Drew Gooden, who's going to stop you from doing the same
thing with Eddy Curry?

Kobe Bryant trade scenarios

1. Bulls. Bryant reportedly believes the Bulls are closer to
contending for a title than the Knicks. But would Chicago still be
ready for a title run after trading Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Luol
Deng or Chris Duhon, Andres Nocioni (signed and traded at about $7
million per year) and a No. 1 pick this year or in '08?


2. Knicks. Isiah Thomas' best offer wouldn't cut it if the Kobe derby
were wide open. But it's not. Kobe can dictate where he wants to go
because he has a no-trade clause. So if Bryant wants to go to New
York, the Knicks' best offer that includes young talent and an
expiring contract (that of Malik Rose, whose deal expires after
2008-09) and works salary-wise is Jamal Crawford, Channing Frye, David
Lee, Nate Robinson and Rose, plus the No. 23 pick in next week's draft
and/or a future No. 1. You could take Crawford, Rose and Robinson out
and replace them with Stephon Marbury, whose contract would clear $22
million of cap space in 2009, a big free-agent year. The Lakers would
have to send back someone like Maurice Evans to make the money match.


3. Suns. Phoenix is looking to trade Shawn Marion, but the goal is to
cut payroll, something Bryant certainly wouldn't do with four years,
$88 million left - not to mention his 15 percent trade kicker. But
since the Suns are on Kobe's list, Marion and Leandro Barbosa would
work. Marion has more star power than anyone the Knicks or Bulls could
offer, and Barbosa would give L.A. a point guard. The Suns also have
the 24th and 29th picks in the upcoming draft, but keeping Kobe out
West would be a hard sell.

Glenn Greenstein
06-19-2007, 02:03 PM
"777" <Seven@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k4gf7356kmsuk000lj4789g0j3jla72l2b@4ax.com...
> If you have disposable income, an insatiable appetite for Kobe Bryant
> news, and exceedingly poor judgment, you apparently can pony up a few
> bucks to purchase a video of Kobe venting about how he wants out of
> Los Angeles.
>
> Or, you can save your hard-earned dough for a No. 24 Knicks or Bulls
> jersey and just take Kobe at his word all over the free media that he
> wants to be traded. He has made that abundantly clear, and based upon
> developments over the weekend - and more sure to come - it seems there
> aren't too many more ways that Kobe can say to the Lakers, "Trade me."
>
> The alleged Kobe video - those in the know who have seen it vouch that
> it's him venting outside a Newport Beach, Calif., deli - is only the
> latest bizarre turn in a story that is not going away.
>
> It is not going away because Kobe doesn't want it to. And even from
> his current perch in Barcelona, Spain, Kobe holds all the cards
> because he is the only player in the league with a no-trade clause.
>
> He is doing exactly what I thought he would do. He is carefully
> escalating his trade request toward the next phase, known as a trade
> demand.
>
> His "road ahead" rant, posted May 30 on his Web site, www.kb24.com,
> popped up again over the weekend. It's been getting reposted
> periodically with a new date, and it fooled a lot of people Sunday,
> when it was reported as fresh news.
>
> That it wasn't technically new isn't the point. The fact is, Kobe
> keeps putting it out there, for all to see.
>
> In it, Bryant wrote, "The Lakers and me just have two different
> visions for the future." Kobe and his agent, Rob Pelinka, aren't
> elaborating for now. Pelinka last surfaced Friday, when he told
> ESPN.com: "Kobe's position remains unchanged. Kobe would like to be
> moved."
>
> That's what Bryant told Lakers owner Jerry Buss when the two met
> Friday in Barcelona. As anyone could've figured out, the top two teams
> on his list are the Knicks and Bulls - though not necessarily in that
> order. According to one report yesterday, Phoenix also is in play,
> although the Lakers would want him out of the West.
>
> Knicks coach and president Isiah Thomas, who has rabbit ears for all
> things Kobe, said yesterday on 1050 ESPN Radio that he's continuing to
> monitor the situation.
>
> "When a team is having problems with their players, you keep your eye
> on that around the league," Thomas said. "But you're not necessarily
> trying to instigate a fire."
>
> The Lakers have maintained publicly that they have no intention of
> trading Bryant. As of yesterday, there had been no discussions with
> the Knicks or anyone else about doing so.
>
> No surprise there. The desperation factor would only lower Kobe's
> trade value, so they are going to stick to their story as long as they
> can.
>
> But the concept of Bryant returning to L.A. after publicly ripping the
> entire organization is "kind of nutty," said one person connected to
> the Kobe saga. "It seems like there's so much under the bridge, how
> can he come back?"
>
> That's the question that will play out by the June 28 draft, if not
> sooner, if Kobe decides to push his agenda even harder.
>
> You may not think the Knicks have much to offer the Lakers. One of the
> latest theories is that he believes the Bulls would give him a better
> chance to compete for a title than the Knicks. Not sure I agree, but
> Kobe doesn't need to hear my argument. He can listen to Isiah make the
> same one if and when this situation escalates to the point of no
> return.
>
> If that happens, Isiah's captive audience will be an impressionable,
> 28-year-old, nine-time All-Star who wants to join him in the Hall of
> Fame, win a few more rings, and write a legacy that includes being a
> champion on the two biggest stages in basketball.
>
> "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
> Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
> broadcast yesterday.
>
> I don't know about you, but I'd at least like to hear Kobe's rebuttal
> when Isiah tells him the following: If LeBron James can get to the
> Finals with Drew Gooden, who's going to stop you from doing the same
> thing with Eddy Curry?
>
> Kobe Bryant trade scenarios
>
> 1. Bulls. Bryant reportedly believes the Bulls are closer to
> contending for a title than the Knicks. But would Chicago still be
> ready for a title run after trading Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, Luol
> Deng or Chris Duhon, Andres Nocioni (signed and traded at about $7
> million per year) and a No. 1 pick this year or in '08?
>
>
> 2. Knicks. Isiah Thomas' best offer wouldn't cut it if the Kobe derby
> were wide open. But it's not. Kobe can dictate where he wants to go
> because he has a no-trade clause. So if Bryant wants to go to New
> York, the Knicks' best offer that includes young talent and an
> expiring contract (that of Malik Rose, whose deal expires after
> 2008-09) and works salary-wise is Jamal Crawford, Channing Frye, David
> Lee, Nate Robinson and Rose, plus the No. 23 pick in next week's draft
> and/or a future No. 1. You could take Crawford, Rose and Robinson out
> and replace them with Stephon Marbury, whose contract would clear $22
> million of cap space in 2009, a big free-agent year. The Lakers would
> have to send back someone like Maurice Evans to make the money match.
>
>
> 3. Suns. Phoenix is looking to trade Shawn Marion, but the goal is to
> cut payroll, something Bryant certainly wouldn't do with four years,
> $88 million left - not to mention his 15 percent trade kicker. But
> since the Suns are on Kobe's list, Marion and Leandro Barbosa would
> work. Marion has more star power than anyone the Knicks or Bulls could
> offer, and Barbosa would give L.A. a point guard. The Suns also have
> the 24th and 29th picks in the upcoming draft, but keeping Kobe out
> West would be a hard sell.

The more I think about this, the more I think both Chicago and the Knicks
don't have the parts to make this work unless Kobe forces one or the other.
Buss is going to want a star in return for best player in basketball and the
Knicks and Bulls don't have one. The package for Kobe would be better from
the Bulls since they have more above avg players, but they are missing the
Shawn Marion or Kevin Garnett. Speaking of Garnett, I heard McHale is now
considering offers for him and I think he will be the guy to end up in
Chicago, not Kobe. I can see McHale being very interested in Ben Gordon,
Luol Deng and Nocioni as some or all the parts (waiting for Noah to tell me
the numbers don't work). That would leave the Knicks and the Suns as trade
partners and Buss may have to bite the bullet and trade Kobe to a western
team. Shawn Marion would definitely make the hurt of trading Kobe easier to
bare. The only thing the Knicks could offer are expiring contracts as has
been mentioned above and I don't believe that is something the Lakers will
be looking for. Maybe Thomas is now regretting giving up two unprotected
picks. Having the #9 pick instead of #23 would make the package a lot more
tempting.

Noah
06-19-2007, 09:49 PM
On Jun 19, 6:03 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

> (waiting for Noah to tell me the numbers don't work).

Or you could just go to hoopshype, spend two minutes looking at the
Bulls' salary structure and make a suggestion that works numberwise.

Glenn Greenstein
06-19-2007, 10:34 PM
"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182286167.715801.290800@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 6:03 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> (waiting for Noah to tell me the numbers don't work).
>
> Or you could just go to hoopshype, spend two minutes looking at the
> Bulls' salary structure and make a suggestion that works numberwise.

Touché

>

Glenn Greenstein
06-19-2007, 10:45 PM
"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182286167.715801.290800@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 6:03 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> (waiting for Noah to tell me the numbers don't work).
>
> Or you could just go to hoopshype, spend two minutes looking at the
> Bulls' salary structure and make a suggestion that works numberwise.

Actually all the player do work unless they sign Nocioni for 15 million
which would mean that the Wolves throw in Griffin.

Dan Gaters
06-20-2007, 02:48 AM
777:

> "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
> Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
> broadcast yesterday.

This is what I love about Isiah: complete delusion, end-to-end.

DG

Noah
06-20-2007, 04:19 AM
On Jun 19, 6:48 pm, Dan Gaters <dan.gat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 777:
>
> > "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
> > Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
> > broadcast yesterday.
>
> This is what I love about Isiah: complete delusion, end-to-end.

Yup. Knicks are just a piece or two away. They'd have no trouble
dispatching the Nets and Pistons.

Glenn Greenstein
06-20-2007, 01:30 PM
"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182309580.164329.211370@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 6:48 pm, Dan Gaters <dan.gat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 777:
>>
>> > "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
>> > Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
>> > broadcast yesterday.
>>
>> This is what I love about Isiah: complete delusion, end-to-end.
>
> Yup. Knicks are just a piece or two away. They'd have no trouble
> dispatching the Nets and Pistons.
>
The way the Pistons played against Cleveland, you might be right. They
really choked that series.
>

Glenn Greenstein
06-20-2007, 01:32 PM
"Dan Gaters" <dan.gaters@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:C29DFFB4.23650%dan.gaters@earthlink.net...
> 777:
>
>> "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
>> Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
>> broadcast yesterday.
>
> This is what I love about Isiah: complete delusion, end-to-end.
>
> DG
>
What is amazing is that he doesn't notice Cleveland plays sound defense.
Something his former team was well noted for.

Noah
06-21-2007, 08:52 AM
On Jun 20, 5:30 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

> > Yup. Knicks are just a piece or two away. They'd have no trouble
> > dispatching the Nets and Pistons.
>
> The way the Pistons played against Cleveland, you might be right. They
> really choked that series.

They may have choked, but I think the Knicks would have fared more
like Orlando or Chicago did against Detroit than Cleveland did.
Specifically, more like Orlando did.

paddy_nyr
06-21-2007, 05:00 PM
"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182309580.164329.211370@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 6:48 pm, Dan Gaters <dan.gat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 777:
>>
>> > "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
>> > Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
>> > broadcast yesterday.
>>
>> This is what I love about Isiah: complete delusion, end-to-end.
>
> Yup. Knicks are just a piece or two away. They'd have no trouble
> dispatching the Nets and Pistons.
>
>
>
Is he that dumb?

Glenn Greenstein
06-21-2007, 07:20 PM
"paddy_nyr" <mpprpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1182309580.164329.211370@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 19, 6:48 pm, Dan Gaters <dan.gat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 777:
>>>
>>> > "As we've just seen in these playoffs with Cleveland going to the
>>> > Finals, we're really not that far away," Thomas said during the radio
>>> > broadcast yesterday.
>>>
>>> This is what I love about Isiah: complete delusion, end-to-end.
>>
>> Yup. Knicks are just a piece or two away. They'd have no trouble
>> dispatching the Nets and Pistons.
>>
>>
>>
> Is he that dumb?
Actually, he is that smart. He needs to sell his program to would be FA's.
How do you think "We are 3 years away from the point we can add enough
talent where we can compete" would go over?

Noah
06-22-2007, 05:37 AM
On Jun 21, 11:20 am, "Glenn Greenstein"
<glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Actually, he is that smart. He needs to sell his program to would be FA's.
> How do you think "We are 3 years away from the point we can add enough
> talent where we can compete" would go over?

Until they are under the salary cap, the only FA's that Thomas is
allowed by the league to sign are players who will work for the MLE
(approximately $5M per season or less). In his previous three
summers, he's used that smarts and logic to attract (in order) MLE
signees Vin Baker, Jerome James, and Jared Jeffries -- the last two to
max MLE deals.

That's smart?

Dan Gaters
06-22-2007, 06:23 AM
Noah:

> Vin Baker, Jerome James, and Jared Jeffries -- the last two to
> max MLE deals.

And very much alliterative to boot. How many GMs can do that?

DG

Glenn Greenstein
06-22-2007, 02:26 PM
"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182487071.716481.158100@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 21, 11:20 am, "Glenn Greenstein"
> <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually, he is that smart. He needs to sell his program to would be
>> FA's.
>> How do you think "We are 3 years away from the point we can add enough
>> talent where we can compete" would go over?
>
> Until they are under the salary cap, the only FA's that Thomas is
> allowed by the league to sign are players who will work for the MLE
> (approximately $5M per season or less). In his previous three
> summers, he's used that smarts and logic to attract (in order) MLE
> signees Vin Baker, Jerome James, and Jared Jeffries -- the last two to
> max MLE deals.
>
> That's smart?
>
So why is he even thinking of talking to Pau Gasol, Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe,
or Garnett? None of them would take a mid level exception as a deal.

Pablo
06-22-2007, 03:24 PM
Dan Gaters wrote:
> Noah:
>
>> Vin Baker, Jerome James, and Jared Jeffries -- the last two to
>> max MLE deals.
>
> And very much alliterative to boot. How many GMs can do that?
>
> DG
>

Phoenix has you covered with the Joneses - James and Jumaine.

San Antonio has the BB's - Brent Barry and Bruce Bowen.

Boston has three "alliterative" players (albeit with three different
letters) - Gerald Green, Paul Pierce, and Rajon Rondo.

Once again, Danny Ainge is a winner!

=p=

Noah
06-22-2007, 05:17 PM
On Jun 22, 6:26 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

> So why is he even thinking of talking to Pau Gasol, Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe,
> or Garnett? None of them would take a mid level exception as a deal.

The MLE is used to sign a free agent. None of those guys are free
agents. He can only acquire those players in a trade, which means he
has to talk to the other team's GM (not the player).

Glenn Greenstein
06-22-2007, 07:16 PM
"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182529047.423920.14900@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 22, 6:26 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> So why is he even thinking of talking to Pau Gasol, Jermaine O'Neal,
>> Kobe,
>> or Garnett? None of them would take a mid level exception as a deal.
>
> The MLE is used to sign a free agent. None of those guys are free
> agents. He can only acquire those players in a trade, which means he
> has to talk to the other team's GM (not the player).

OK, then it's an issue of symantics.
>