Celics Lost tonight

The delay to start the 2nd half. In my opinion gave the momentum to
Atlanta. Celtics down 9 in the seconds quarter late, went on a run to
tie the game at half time. Their run to close the quarter gave the
momentum to the Celtics. The momentum went back to the Hawks, because of
the delay do to the 24 second shot clock not working.

The refs should have continued the game with the one clock that was
working. Instead of having the PA guy, who was sitting by the scorers
table count down the seconds. Then use a horn to signal when 24 seconds
are up. I personally don't have any trust in a crew member in Atlanta,
that puts the game in his hands. After watching tonight game, how can i
be for curtain that the PA guy wouldn't sound the horn premature on the
Celtics positions? How do i not know the PA guy wouldn't sound the horn
late on the Hawks positions? How can i be for curtain that there really
was anything work with the shot clock? I noticed that when the Hawks had
the game pretty much in their back pockets, the shot clock some how was
fixed.

"Celtics Dynasty16" <CelticsPride__16@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> The delay to start the 2nd half. In my opinion gave the momentum to
> Atlanta. Celtics down 9 in the seconds quarter late, went on a run to
> tie the game at half time. Their run to close the quarter gave the
> momentum to the Celtics. The momentum went back to the Hawks, because of
> the delay do to the 24 second shot clock not working.
>
> The refs should have continued the game with the one clock that was
> working. Instead of having the PA guy, who was sitting by the scorers
> table count down the seconds. Then use a horn to signal when 24 seconds
> are up. I personally don't have any trust in a crew member in Atlanta,
> that puts the game in his hands. After watching tonight game, how can i
> be for curtain that the PA guy wouldn't sound the horn premature on the
> Celtics positions? How do i not know the PA guy wouldn't sound the horn
> late on the Hawks positions? How can i be for curtain that there really
> was anything work with the shot clock? I noticed that when the Hawks had
> the game pretty much in their back pockets, the shot clock some how was
> fixed.
>

If you noticed, once the clocks were restored they went on a run. Very
difficult to run a half court offense when you don't know how much time is
left on the clock. Doesn't bother Atlanta as they have no half court
offense. Certainly worked in their favor IMO, but the Celtics offense
sucked once again. They've been relying on jump shots this entire series
and I pointed out during the regular season that there lack of and offensive
scheme was going to hurt them. Remember our conversation Robert Chin?

BTW, is it just me or has Perk regressed on the offense end? Taking too
much time getting the ball to the hoop and not going strong when he does.
Big Baby has been playing his ass off, but can't seem to stay out of foul
trouble. He gets a lot of petty calls IMO, but I still think he should be
playing more in this series.

And where is Tony Allen. We're playing a young, fast and explosive team and
our best and quickest defender is not to be found.

And while I'm at it, if Casell is going to keep throwing up shots instead of
running the offense whey leave him in?

I thought Doc did a terrible job with the rotation last night. Pierce and
Allan both seemed to disappear on the offensive end as well. If not for KG
this would have been a massive blow out.

And a 2nd last thing. If there going to settle for jump shots and no one is
hitting, then why leave House on the bench?

That game sucked. Very embarrassing performance by the Celtics.

>> The delay to start the 2nd half. In my opinion gave the momentum to
>> Atlanta. Celtics down 9 in the seconds quarter late, went on a run to
>> tie the game at half time. Their run to close the quarter gave the
>> momentum to the Celtics. The momentum went back to the Hawks, because of
>> the delay do to the 24 second shot clock not working.
>>
>> The refs should have continued the game with the one clock that was
>> working. Instead of having the PA guy, who was sitting by the scorers
>> table count down the seconds. Then use a horn to signal when 24 seconds
>> are up. I personally don't have any trust in a crew member in Atlanta,
>> that puts the game in his hands. After watching tonight game, how can i
>> be for curtain that the PA guy wouldn't sound the horn premature on the
>> Celtics positions? How do i not know the PA guy wouldn't sound the horn
>> late on the Hawks positions? How can i be for curtain that there really
>> was anything work with the shot clock? I noticed that when the Hawks had
>> the game pretty much in their back pockets, the shot clock some how was
>> fixed.
>>
>
> If you noticed, once the clocks were restored they went on a run. Very
> difficult to run a half court offense when you don't know how much time is
> left on the clock. Doesn't bother Atlanta as they have no half court
> offense. Certainly worked in their favor IMO, but the Celtics offense
> sucked once again. They've been relying on jump shots this entire series
> and I pointed out during the regular season that there lack of and
> offensive scheme was going to hurt them. Remember our conversation Robert
> Chin?

Brought up the same point over a month ago. Thought they should have set up
more plays with KG going to the hoop. Instead of getting the ball on
isolations all the time. They are not working together on offense. Ray
Allen hardly touched the ball in the first quarter. Pierce went back to his
usual drive to the middle habits for good portion of the game. He was
effective, just didn't work out for the best of the team. How many shots
did Garnett take? Some of them hurt the team as much as helped them.

>
> BTW, is it just me or has Perk regressed on the offense end? Taking too
> much time getting the ball to the hoop and not going strong when he does.
> Big Baby has been playing his ass off, but can't seem to stay out of foul
> trouble. He gets a lot of petty calls IMO, but I still think he should be
> playing more in this series.

Bibby edges up to the big guys and cuts them off just enough to create
contact. And, the refs fall sucker to it every time. Poor reffing more
than Davis' fault.
>
> And where is Tony Allen. We're playing a young, fast and explosive team
> and our best and quickest defender is not to be found.

I was shocked Doc didn't put Tony in the 4th quarter. Nobody was doing
anything to alter the pace of the game. Tony has a herky-jerky offensive
style that puts everyone (offense and defensive) on edge. On defense he's a
big plus. He's been a momentum changer in so many games. Why he didn't put
him in is beyond my comprehension. I wonder if Doc every watches film of
his own players? Sure, there was a chance he could have made things worse,
but it was a gamble well worth taking as no one was taking charge.

>
> And while I'm at it, if Casell is going to keep throwing up shots instead
> of running the offense whey leave him in?
>
> I thought Doc did a terrible job with the rotation last night. Pierce and
> Allan both seemed to disappear on the offensive end as well. If not for
> KG this would have been a massive blow out.
>
> And a 2nd last thing. If there going to settle for jump shots and no one
> is hitting, then why leave House on the bench?

Good point! Also, on defense he's been really hustling during the last
quarter of the season.
>
> That game sucked. Very embarrassing performance by the Celtics.
>

Jack Dotson wrote:
>
> And where is Tony Allen. We're playing a young, fast and explosive team and
> our best and quickest defender is not to be found.

Had the same thought. Although watching him dribble kills me.

>
> And while I'm at it, if Casell is going to keep throwing up shots instead of
> running the offense whey leave him in?
>

It seems to me that Cassell is getting too many of House's minutes. Doc
put House in the game with three minutes left in a last ditch effort.
It seemed that House passed on a couple of shots he would normally take.
Maybe it was a subtle protest against his minutes being cut or maybe
he didn't feel sufficiently warmed up (or maybe it is all in my head).

And what happened to Powe last night?

Bottom line however, the Celtics don't lose games because the subs play
sub-optimal. It falls primarily on Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo.
Despite the final score, the first two games were not sharp. Hopefully
this will spark them to begin raising their games to playoff levels.

Ray

--
All generalizations are wrong.

Charlie S. wrote:

> How many shots did Garnett take? Some of them
> hurt the team as much as helped them.

Yup. The 8 he missed I guess, eh. He *did* however make 11...to go with 10
of 11 from the line. 32 points. Are you kidding me?


If I'm going to second guess Doc on anything it's the minutes to Ray Allen.
He was cranking up those threes at some very inopportune moments. Might
have been frustration, but...veteran or not...I didn't think he was helping
matters by forcing it like that. I also don't quite understand the two
youngest starters logging such low minutes. Rondo under 30 and Perk only
18? Not too happy with Doc's substitutions myself. Big Baby for example
was clearly not *on*, yet played almost as long as Perk while scoring only
one FG compared to Perk's 10. Sam didn't do much in his substantial time
either (1 for 4...2 points in over 15 minutes).

Maybe even Doc fell victim to thinking this was going to be easy. I don't
know.

"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Charlie S. wrote:
>
>> How many shots did Garnett take? Some of them
>> hurt the team as much as helped them.
>
> Yup. The 8 he missed I guess, eh. He *did* however make 11...to go with
> 10 of 11 from the line. 32 points. Are you kidding me?

Granted the C's would have been way out of the game without the foul shots.
However, at one point he missed about 4 in a row that really put the Celtics
in a bind.
>
>
> If I'm going to second guess Doc on anything it's the minutes to Ray
> Allen. He was cranking up those threes at some very inopportune moments.
> Might have been frustration, but...veteran or not...I didn't think he was
> helping matters by forcing it like that. I also don't quite understand
> the two youngest starters logging such low minutes. Rondo under 30 and
> Perk only 18? Not too happy with Doc's substitutions myself. Big Baby
> for example was clearly not *on*, yet played almost as long as Perk while
> scoring only one FG compared to Perk's 10. Sam didn't do much in his
> substantial time either (1 for 4...2 points in over 15 minutes).

Doc needs to learn to take Perk out earlier in the first quarter. He often
follows his first foul with a needless second one. My feeling, the second
one is caused by physical and/or mental fatigue. He probably should be in
and out of the lineup more often. I question his conditioning stamina. I
could be wrong here.

>
> Maybe even Doc fell victim to thinking this was going to be easy. I don't
> know.

"Charlie S." <CharlieStam@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Doc needs to learn to take Perk out earlier in the first quarter. He
often
> follows his first foul with a needless second one. My feeling, the second
> one is caused by physical and/or mental fatigue. He probably should be in
> and out of the lineup more often. I question his conditioning stamina. I
> could be wrong here.
>
Yes. You could. :-)

"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Charlie S. wrote:
>
>> How many shots did Garnett take? Some of them
>> hurt the team as much as helped them.
>
> Yup. The 8 he missed I guess, eh. He *did* however make 11...to go with
> 10 of 11 from the line. 32 points. Are you kidding me?
>
>
> If I'm going to second guess Doc on anything it's the minutes to Ray
> Allen. He was cranking up those threes at some very inopportune moments.
> Might have been frustration, but...veteran or not...I didn't think he was
> helping matters by forcing it like that. I also don't quite understand
> the two youngest starters logging such low minutes. Rondo under 30 and
> Perk only 18? Not too happy with Doc's substitutions myself. Big Baby
> for example was clearly not *on*, yet played almost as long as Perk while
> scoring only one FG compared to Perk's 10. Sam didn't do much in his
> substantial time either (1 for 4...2 points in over 15 minutes).
>
> Maybe even Doc fell victim to thinking this was going to be easy. I don't
> know.

Atlanta led by Josh Smith played a great game. I don't expect them to be
able to repeat it in game 4 but if they do the Celtics will be fortunate to
win game 4.

KG played very well but it wasn't enough to make up for many of the Hawks
players having very good games. If Atlanta has Josh Smith, JJ on from 3
point land and even a guy
like Hortford hitting from medium range, they are much tougher to defend.

He is not my favorite player but JJ played very well when the game
was on the line. Hortford showed why he was the 3rd pick in the
draft...Perhaps he is the legitimate ROY even though the younger Durant has
more upside.

Pierce had a decent game. He only shot 5-13 but he did hit 3 3's and all
his free
throws. He had some nice passes among his 8 assists. I would have liked to
see Pierce with a few more rebounds.

I don't think Rivers' coaching cost the Celtics this game but I wish he
showed a little less respect to Cassell.... and played more athletic players
to match up with Atlanta the end result may have been much closer. When
Atlanta is on offensively, Tony Allen should be given an opportunity to
try to help slow them down before Cassell has his shot to provide instant
offense. Cassell is not a good bet to help the Celtics get to loose balls
or to slow down
Atlanta on offense.

I haven't seen enough positive plays from PJ Brown to think he
deserves minutes in a tightly contested game vs an athletic team like the
Hawks. I'd rather see some more minutes out of Powe.

Perkins may have scored 10 points but he didn't rebound the ball well --
only 2 rebounds -- and afair he missed a truly simple uncontested shot that
could have slowed Atlanta's momentum. I could fully understand Rivers'
wanting to go away from Perkins
in this game since Hortford was doing very well but I would have liked to
see Powe given more of an opportunity.

As far as I'm concerned, Cassell shouldn't be guaranteed 1 minute, never
mind 16.... And I
like Cassell but the playoffs is about winning games and against certain
teams in contested games if Tony Allen gives the Celtics a better chance to
win, he should get many, if not all, of Cassell's minutes. If Cassell is on
fire and Rondo is having a bad game, then I don't mind Cassell playing 25+
minutes.

As far as Glenn Davis, he did have a nice basket against Josh Smith in his
only shot attempt and he did come up with 5 boards in 16 minutes so I can
actually see why Rivers stuck with him.

On Apr 27, 2:59*pm, Raymond DeCampo <nos...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> Jack Dotson wrote:
>
> > And where is Tony Allen. *We're playing a young, fast and explosive team and
> > our best and quickest defender is not to be found.
>
> Had the same thought. *Although watching him dribble kills me.
>
>
>
> > And while I'm at it, if Casell is going to keep throwing up shots instead of
> > running the offense whey leave him in?
>
> It seems to me that Cassell is getting too many of House's minutes. *Doc
> put House in the game with three minutes left in a last ditch effort.
> It seemed that House passed on a couple of shots he would normally take.
> * Maybe it was a subtle protest against his minutes being cut or maybe
> he didn't feel sufficiently warmed up (or maybe it is all in my head).
>
> And what happened to Powe last night?
>
> Bottom line however, the Celtics don't lose games because the subs play
> sub-optimal. *It falls primarily on Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo.
> Despite the final score, the first two games were not sharp. *Hopefully
> this will spark them to begin raising their games to playoff levels.
>
> Ray
>
> --
> All generalizations are wrong.

The Hawks were just red hot from outside in the 4th. That's where the
game was won. I don't expect them to shoot that well again tonight.

Andre